Which CPU is faster Pentium M or P4 w/ HT?

[VIAN]

A massacre is not what I'd call it when the P4 is running more than 1GHZ faster than the PM. Clock for clock Dothan is far more impressive than the P4 and a bit more impressive than the A64. Note the 2Ghz Dothan keeping up with the A64 3500+ in rendering.

Factor in the power consumption and I still say it's no contest. Dothan is a most impressive chip.

I don't think so.

You're looking at clock speed and that isn't the only thing worth braggin about. Just because the PM is faster at a lower clockspeed doesn't mean it's more impressive. It just depends on the architecture. You're still in the clockspeed era. Clock for clock is only good comparing things like Prescott and Northwood.

And lower heat doesn't do crap if the chip can't handle a good OC. Only 2.3OC doesn't seem very nice to me where with the A64, you could OC that crap higher.

And price also isn't a factor here where in my links a P43.2 which is pretty cheap beat out the PM which is much more expensive. I'd go for the Athlon64 if Power was a concern as it performs very well also.

The PM is just too expensive for it to provide any competition.

Quote from the article:

Some areas, like video encoding, really show the limitations of the Pentium-M architecture and the processor simply doesn?t perform that well considering its $450 price tag.

 

[Tarrant64]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Tarrant64
I just got rid of my Sony Vaio K-17 laptop not too long ago because it had a Pentium-M chip in it. It sucked. But I'm thinking it's just the older ones(1.6ghz version, not the 1.7and up or whatever). And I tried playing games with it, and it sucked hardcore. My old alienware(which broke, which is how i ended up with the Vaio...god..best buy rips you off..) had a 2.8ghz P4 in it, and it hauled ass compared to that P-M that I had.
Oh well. Best Buy tried to tell me that there was no way my alienware was faster, but..in reality. Yes, it was. I'm thinking he just thought it was the newer P-M processors?

I think it's all in your head. You are blinded by the MHz label perhaps? My 1.6 P-M Is just as fast as my 2.66 P4 Desktop in rendering, archiving and even had equivalent gaming marks. Has a Mobile GeForce Ti4200Go.

No, it wasn't in my head. I'm on a computer 20hrs a day. I notice differences in speed even if they're little. Would an integrated graphics card also have something to do with it? My P-M had integrated graphics so maybe it could've been the memory.
The P-M as I understood had different stages. Up to the 1.6ghz i thought the chip was based on something else. then the new chips...1.7ghz, 1.8ghz..to whatever...were a newly refined P-M(possibly the Dothan everyone keeps mentioning).

 

[Sc4freak]

You're playing games on an integrated solution while using a Pentium-M, and say it's slow becuase of the CPU?

 

[Jean]

Thank you all for your valuable comments and input.

Here is the recap:

I find out that none of the 3D Modeling program I run has the HT code. So P4 w/HT is pointless. In fact it will slow the program down as per other MCAD user input.

The majority recommend that I would go with PM.

The AMD 64 laptop is out of question. It's more expensive that P4, PM W/ similar configuration.

I finally settle down for Dell Inspiron 9200. The total price is within my budget and 0% lay away plan. The only drawback, I have to wait until 12/07 for the delivery. I will be very sad if Dell offer an Nvidia graphics card and a lower price between now and then.

For those would be interested, here is the I9k2 detail spec:

Inspiron 9200, Pentium M 745 (1.80GHz) Qty: 1 Unit Price: $2,112.25
[221-6542] Inspiron 9200, Pentium M 745 (1.80GHz)
[320-3901] 17 inch UltraSharp Wide ScreenUXGA for Inspiron 9200
[311-4263] 512MB DDR 333MHZ 2 DIMMS for Inspiron 9200
[320-4045] 128MB ATI Mobility Radeon 9700, for Inspiron 9200
[341-0971] 60GB Ultra ATA 7200RPM Hard Drive for Inspiron 9200
[420-4766] Microsoft Windows XP Home Service Pack 2, English, for Inspiron
[313-2208] Inspiron Tools CD
[412-0408] Generic Inspiron Dell Support
[412-0689] Image Restore
[313-3081] Dell Resource CD with Application Backup,W/Tool for Inspiron 9200
[430-1048] Adobe Acrobat Reader 6.0, for Inspiron
[313-2930] 8X DVD+/-RW Drive for Inspiron9200
[430-1050] CyberLink PowerDVD v5.1, Decoding Sofware for DVD Drives,for Inspiron
[430-0997] Dell Wireless 1350 Internal Wireless (802.11b/g, 54Mbps) for Inspiron 9200
[412-0735] No Security Subscription, Norton
[412-0691] Dell Jukebox powered by Music Match
[312-0285] 53 WHr 6-cell Lithium Ion Primary Battery,for Inspiron 9200
[412-0584] EARTHLINK TA2003 ISP
[412-0625] Dell/My Way Home Page
[420-3224] Broadband Icon for Inspiron
[412-0687] NETZERO ISP
[412-0521] Dell Photo Album Standard
[412-0556] Microsoft Enclyclopedia,2004 for Inspiron
[412-0714] WordPerfect Productivity Pack 12, English, for Inspiron
[950-3339] 3 Year Limited Warranty
[950-3550] Type 12- Mail-In Service, 24x7 Technical Support, Initial Year
[950-3552] Type 12- Mail-In Service, 24x7 Technical Support, 2 Year Extended
[412-0361] Soft Contracts - DHS Home Sales
[950-5442] Technical Support, 2 Year Extended
[960-2780] Technical Support, Initial Year
[412-0706] Dell Media Experience,v2.1, for Inspiron
[412-0552] Money 2004 Standard Version for Inspiron


Subtotal: $2,112.25
Shipping: $0.00
Tax: $126.74
Total: $2,238.99

 

[VIAN]

Did you read my post.

You can also disable HT, if it slows stuff down which then brings even greater performance to your machine.

Most people are telling you that the PM is greater than the P4.... at GAMING. If you want to game, thats fine, but for 3D Modeling work the P4 is much faster. How much faster a 250 dollar CPU beats the 450 dollar CPU pretty bad. That's how fast, check out my posts to see the benchmarks themselves.

If you ask me personally, I'd probably take the PM because it has much lower power consumption and you would be able to function more time without power instead of the powerhog P4.

Plus the FSB on the P4M is 533 compared to 800 on the desktop so the performance could drop significantly near the PM, but the P4 would still be cheaper. But in the long run the battery life would be better in my Opinion.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: VIAN
Did you read my post.

You can also disable HT, if it slows stuff down which then brings even greater performance to your machine.

Most people are telling you that the PM is greater than the P4.... at GAMING. If you want to game, thats fine, but for 3D Modeling work the P4 is much faster. How much faster a 250 dollar CPU beats the 450 dollar CPU pretty bad. That's how fast, check out my posts to see the benchmarks themselves.

If you ask me personally, I'd probably take the PM because it has much lower power consumption and you would be able to function more time without power instead of the powerhog P4.

I understand what you are posting. People need to remember though that the P-M is fast but not meant to be the fastest.

I mean if Intel wanted a desktop version... it would beat the crap out of most other chips beccause they would add all the bells and whistles the P4 has (SSE2, 3, support for DDR400 or DDR-II, they would increase speeds a little bit and probably increase FSB).

-Kevin

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Jean
Thank you all for your valuable comments and input.

Here is the recap:

I find out that none of the 3D Modeling program I run has the HT code. So P4 w/HT is pointless. In fact it will slow the program down as per other MCAD user input.

The majority recommend that I would go with PM.

The AMD 64 laptop is out of question. It's more expensive that P4, PM W/ similar configuration.

I finally settle down for Dell Inspiron 9200. The total price is within my budget and 0% lay away plan. The only drawback, I have to wait until 12/07 for the delivery. I will be very sad if Dell offer an Nvidia graphics card and a lower price between now and then.

For those would be interested, here is the I9k2 detail spec:

Inspiron 9200, Pentium M 745 (1.80GHz) Qty: 1 Unit Price: $2,112.25
[221-6542] Inspiron 9200, Pentium M 745 (1.80GHz)
[320-3901] 17 inch UltraSharp Wide ScreenUXGA for Inspiron 9200
[311-4263] 512MB DDR 333MHZ 2 DIMMS for Inspiron 9200
[320-4045] 128MB ATI Mobility Radeon 9700, for Inspiron 9200
[341-0971] 60GB Ultra ATA 7200RPM Hard Drive for Inspiron 9200
[420-4766] Microsoft Windows XP Home Service Pack 2, English, for Inspiron
[313-2208] Inspiron Tools CD
[412-0408] Generic Inspiron Dell Support
[412-0689] Image Restore
[313-3081] Dell Resource CD with Application Backup,W/Tool for Inspiron 9200
[430-1048] Adobe Acrobat Reader 6.0, for Inspiron
[313-2930] 8X DVD+/-RW Drive for Inspiron9200
[430-1050] CyberLink PowerDVD v5.1, Decoding Sofware for DVD Drives,for Inspiron
[430-0997] Dell Wireless 1350 Internal Wireless (802.11b/g, 54Mbps) for Inspiron 9200
[412-0735] No Security Subscription, Norton
[412-0691] Dell Jukebox powered by Music Match
[312-0285] 53 WHr 6-cell Lithium Ion Primary Battery,for Inspiron 9200
[412-0584] EARTHLINK TA2003 ISP
[412-0625] Dell/My Way Home Page
[420-3224] Broadband Icon for Inspiron
[412-0687] NETZERO ISP
[412-0521] Dell Photo Album Standard
[412-0556] Microsoft Enclyclopedia,2004 for Inspiron
[412-0714] WordPerfect Productivity Pack 12, English, for Inspiron
[950-3339] 3 Year Limited Warranty
[950-3550] Type 12- Mail-In Service, 24x7 Technical Support, Initial Year
[950-3552] Type 12- Mail-In Service, 24x7 Technical Support, 2 Year Extended
[412-0361] Soft Contracts - DHS Home Sales
[950-5442] Technical Support, 2 Year Extended
[960-2780] Technical Support, Initial Year
[412-0706] Dell Media Experience,v2.1, for Inspiron
[412-0552] Money 2004 Standard Version for Inspiron


Subtotal: $2,112.25
Shipping: $0.00
Tax: $126.74
Total: $2,238.99

Just so you are aware of it, the graphics chip listed in bold above is not really a 9700. It is a souped up 9600pro with 4 pipes only.....

 

[LTC8K6]

I reiterate:

Well Vian, if he's gonna render on a lappy........okay.

 

[Stormgiant]

Just my 2cents...

I bought a Asus W1n80 4 weeks ago, and it rocks. The dothan at 1800mhz performes about the same as my Celerond @~3600 and about my P3 3.0C @~3100.

It does not have dual-channel, 800 bus ( it's 200, not 533 as menctioned cause only one @533 is the 2100 i didn't see any yet on sale), or HT, but it performes very, very good.
As always, i've performed a large range of tests as the same to the desktops, and it runs very good.
It's very responsive, even with BOING running 24/7.

3D benchs :

3Dmark2001 SE = 11.112
3DMark2003 = 2.908
3DMark2005 = 763
Aquamark3 = 23,073


Sandra CPU : 7678/3169 ( +/- P4 3.0E )
Sandra MM : 16941 / 18709 ( +/- P4 3.0E )
Sandra Memory : 2279 / 2284 ( +/- 2700DDR Single-Channel )


For a notebook, i'm 99% on Dothan over any P4 desktop. ( unless it's one of those new with 3600 prescott's 😉 )

 

[Byte]

I just upgraded from a Northwood laptop to a Prescott D0 laptop (HPZD7000 to ToshP35). OMG at 2.8GHz no HT vs 3.2GHz wHT, the northwood is so much better. I check the frequency of the Prescott when ever i feel sluggish and often its at 1.8Ghz or so. This is plugged in with all the power managment setup for maxperformance and ac raging at the vents. I'm planning on getting a HPZD8000 as soon as it comes out becuase of PCIxp video, hopefully it will be the next Prescott stepping and will be better. I wish HP/Compcrap will release a decent vid card with the PM (my company will only pay for HP/Compaq/Toshiba so not much choice, but hey free laptop for me 😀)

 

[tubapaul]

If you're looking for a laptop for running CAD I would suggest shopping for video, not cpu, as that will be your limiting factor. There are a couple of laptop makers out there (alienware and dell) that spec the nVidia Quadro FX Go700 and Go1000 video chipsets--these will do much, much better than laptops with gaming video chipsets--many chipsets that you would expect to do well at CAD because they do well with Quake or Unreal are notoriously lousy for CAD.

 

[Jean]

thank you all for your additional comment and advice.

If I am doing correctly my homework, there aren't any 17" laptop with Nvidia FX Go700 or 1000 currently on the market. May be next year. I can't wait for next year since my 0% purchase is expired next year. I do hope that going with Dell will give me a choice (at least 50%) of upgrading my ATI to Nvidia later on. Now that another user mention about HP zd8000 w/ pci xpress. It put me back to square one. Is it worth the wait to get an HP w/ pci xpress? Arghhhh! The manufacture doesn't make the buyer life easy. Why can't they make a Hi-resolution display laptop and offer a choice between ATI and NVidia.