Which Country Should I Move To?

[Dr. Zaus]

Europe has better medical outcomes than the USA.

but a much different demographic.

 

[WildHorse]

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[Dr. Zaus]

Given that your question means you are disloyal to USA,
PLEASE do move ANYWHERE but here.
You freely accept the hospitality and freedoms afforded citizens in USA and dispagage it, while ours ary dying abroad "to defend it" (not really, but that's the crap they feed them)


Then please, NOW, GET THE HELL OUTTA THE USA!!! YOU FUCKING TRAITOR!

Go spend your college-degreed life sledge hammering rocks for Castro in tropical paradise.

Patriotism is not cool? FUCK YOU!!! GET OUT or THOUROUGHLY read this
and WAKE UP

Amurika, YEA! FOOTBALL! Mr. JEFFERSON loves AMURIKAN FOOTBALL!

 

[preslove]

but a much different demographic.

It's not demographics that cause the discrepancy. Are you going to argue that 'demographics' are why our infant mortality rate is higher than many 3rd world countries?

Again, we lag the developed world in most medical metrics and pay twice as much.

Seriously, our health care system is a disgrace, and anyone arguing that our system is better than the rest of the world's advanced democracies just doesn't know what the hell they're talking about.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

It's not demographics that cause the discrepancy. Are you going to argue that 'demographics' are why our infant mortality rate is higher than many 3rd world countries?

run the numbers but only include employed people with at least a 4 year university degree:

The US kicks ass for anyone that isn't a tard.

and anyone arguing that our system is better than the rest of the world's advanced democracies just doesn't know what the hell they're talking about.

Just take out the poor and ignorant populations that other countries don't have to deal with and we are win.

 

[preslove]

run the numbers but only include employed people with at least a 4 year university degree:

The US kicks ass for anyone that isn't a tard.
Just take out the poor and ignorant populations that other countries don't have to deal with and we are win.

You do realize that there are poor people without 4 year degrees in France, right? See, in France those people get free medical care, which means they get regular treatment and preventative medicine. In Amurica (FUCK YEAH!) they don't have insurance, so whatever medical problems they have are more likely to no get treated, and you can just forget about preventative medicine.

Which is why, depending on how you collect the data, between 18,000 and 45,000 Americans die every year because they lack health insurance: http://www.factcheck.org/2009/09/dying-from-lack-of-insurance/

Again, by almost all metrics, our medical care sucks compared to the rest of the developed world.

 

[WildHorse]

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[dmcowen674]

It's not on the Poll but Forbes says New Zealand is the place to be.

 

[zoiks]

I've voted the UK, purely because it's awesome over here, but if the economy is your issue then maybe keep looking. Although things are getting better.

Dunno about it being awesome there. At least London sucks in my opinion. Murky weather. Tiny streets. Too many people bunched up in one city.

 

[zoiks]

Given that your question means you are disloyal to USA,
PLEASE do move ANYWHERE but here.
You freely accept the hospitality and freedoms afforded citizens in USA and dispagage it, while ours ary dying abroad "to defend it" (not really, but that's the crap they feed them)


Then please, NOW, GET THE HELL OUTTA THE USA!!! YOU FUCKING TRAITOR!

Go spend your college-degreed life sledge hammering rocks for Castro in tropical paradise.

Patriotism is not cool? FUCK YOU!!! GET OUT or THOUROUGHLY read this
and WAKE UP

Fox I bet is your favorite news channel.

 

[HAL9000]

Dunno about it being awesome there. At least London sucks in my opinion. Murky weather. Tiny streets. Too many people bunched up in one city.

I love London, I like cold weather, and the city is old and new at the same time you can turn a corner and it looks like victorian England, you can turn another corner and be in a trendy modern part, the nightlife is awesome. I love it. I'm moving there soon.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

You do realize that there are poor people without 4 year degrees in France, right? See, in France those people get free medical care, which means they get regular treatment and preventative medicine. In Amurica (FUCK YEAH!) they don't have insurance, so whatever medical problems they have are more likely to no get treated, and you can just forget about preventative medicine.

Which is why, depending on how you collect the data, between 18,000 and 45,000 Americans die every year because they lack health insurance: http://www.factcheck.org/2009/09/dying-from-lack-of-insurance/

Again, by almost all metrics, our medical care sucks compared to the rest of the developed world.

You don't really understand how things work do you?

Question- how many people die in the US every year?

Question- precisely why do Americans have a shorter life expectancy than some other countries.

Question- Which third world nations have better infant mortality stats than the US?

Question- If you subtract inner city children (who DO have access to health care- if their parents take advantage of it is another matter), what happens to that statistic?

Do you in fact know anything about health care proper or do you just read little blurbs on the internet?

 

[xanis]

It's not on the Poll but Forbes says New Zealand is the place to be.

I've actually been looking into moving there in the next few years. I already meet most all of the requirements and have nearly enough points for automatic selection from the pool. I've lived in the US (same state, same general area actually) for my entire life and I'd really like to live abroad and see what's it like while I'm still young.

 

[HAL9000]

I've actually been looking into moving there in the next few years. I already meet most all of the requirements and have nearly enough points for automatic selection from the pool. I've lived in the US (same state, same general area actually) for my entire life and I'd really like to live abroad and see what's it like while I'm still young.

I've got a couple of friends in NZ, can't wait to visit it looks lovely, except for mount doom. :hmm:

 

[xanis]

I've got a couple of friends in NZ, can't wait to visit it looks lovely, except for mount doom. :hmm:

I originally wanted to move to the UK, but it's pretty much impossible to get citizenship right now.

 

[HAL9000]

I originally wanted to move to the UK, but it's pretty much impossible to get citizenship right now.

Really? That's a shame, we need more valuable human beings.

 

[preslove]

You don't really understand how things work do you?

Question- how many people die in the US every year?

Depends on how you measure it, but at least 18,000 a year. 18,000 is the conservative number. 45,000 is the high end.
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/09/dying-from-lack-of-insurance/

Question- precisely why do Americans have a shorter life expectancy than some other countries.

While life expectancy is a complicated issue with many influences, such as lifestyle, transportation, nutrition, as well as health care, it is far from the only metric where the United States lags behind the rest of the developed world.

Question- Which third world nations have better infant mortality stats than the US?

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2091rank.html

177 Faroe Islands
6.18

178 United States
6.14


179 Northern Mariana Islands
5.89

180 New Caledonia
5.80

181 Cuba
5.72

Question- If you subtract inner city children (who DO have access to health care- if their parents take advantage of it is another matter), what happens to that statistic?

I don't understand the point of this question. There are poor children in urban areas in France.

Do you in fact know anything about health care proper or do you just read little blurbs on the internet?

This is rich, coming from an ignorant conservatard.
Yes, I have read pretty widely on the issue, lived in Europe and experienced their health care, and have friends deeply involved in health care policy analysis.

A good lay introduction to comparative health care studies is "The Healing of America" by T. R. Reid. http://www.amazon.com/Healing-Americ.../dp/1594202346

He wounded his shoulder in the Navy, had some gnarly surgery at the time (30 years ago or so), & has developed chronic pain. He took his medical issue to several different countries & had them treat him as they would a normal citizen, describing what kind of care he received. He also describes how their medical systems are set up, organizing them into the Canadian single payer style system, the English style nationalized system, and the "Bismarckian," Continental (France and Germany are the big examples, here) hybrid system.

The Continental system is pretty much acknowledged as the best health care set up that any large nation has come up with because it allows for price signals to be given to health consumers, whereas single payer and nationalized health care don't. France, Germany and others using that system usually come up on top, over Canada and England, in comparative health care studies. Of course they all come out WAY ahead of America's broken system.

Hell, even the editor of Reason Magazine, one of the biggest Libertarian publications, has come out in favor of the French system.

http://reason.com/archives/2009/12/07/why-prefer-french-health-care

If you think America's system is in any way just, efficient, or sustainable, then you are completely ignorant about the current state of affairs.

 

[iGas]

Australia economy have been doing exceptional well for a Western style country due to its vast natural resource and trades with Asia.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

Bizarre isn't it, I suggest the UK then people start hurling insults at me and the thread derails... Happens all the time.

You tell people to move to the uk all the time?

 

[HAL9000]

You tell people to move to the uk all the time?

I Do.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Depends on how you measure it, but at least 18,000 a year. 18,000 is the conservative number. 45,000 is the high end.

The answer is about 2.4 to 2.6 million.

While life expectancy is a complicated issue with many influences, such as lifestyle, transportation, nutrition, as well as health care, it is far from the only metric where the United States lags behind the rest of the developed world

But you don't know why any of this is so it's the health care system by default?

177 Faroe Islands 6.18 178 United States 6.14 179 Northern Mariana Islands 5.89 180 New Caledonia 5.80 181 Cuba 5.72

Third world countries:
http://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/third_world.htm

I don't understand the point of this question. There are poor children in urban areas in France.

The point is that this isn't about France. Find the equivalent to this-
http://blackgirlthinking.wordpress....-highest-infant-mortality-rate-in-the-nation/

Guess what? This isn't due to accessibility, but other reasons which are definite problems yet it factors into the numbers.

This is rich, coming from an ignorant conservatard. Yes, I have read pretty widely on the issue, lived in Europe and experienced their health care, and have friends deeply involved in health care policy analysis.

I expect that almost everyone is an ignorant conservatard compared to you. After all you provide health care on a daily basis like I do. You work in the inner city and see what happens like me, right? Oh, no. Well you have friends deeply involved in health care policy.

I bet you stayed at a Holiday Inn Express once.

 

[Vic Vega]

The U.S. economy is awful. I will graduate from my masters degree in computer and information systems in May 2012. Plenty of other countries are doing much better even though they never passed a trillion dollar stimulus. Which country should I move to?

Sudan.

 

[TalonStrike]

wow crazy discussion happening in my thread right here. And yes, the US health care system is a disgrace.

 

[Vic Vega]

wow crazy discussion happening in my thread right here. And yes, the US health care system is a disgrace.

Yes, it's so terrible that people come from all over the world to use it. You moving to Sudan as well?

 

[sandorski]

Yes, it's so terrible that people come from all over the world to use it. You moving to Sudan as well?

People from all over the World, including the US, travel to India each year for Healthcare.