Originally posted by: MadRat
Originally posted by: JYDog
Canada
No, isn't an airforce a pretty useless asset anyways, when you're talking war with like russia or china with WMD?
Aww, cmon now JYDog, we can't count paper airplanes as units of a genuine Air Force.
Originally posted by: MadRat
Originally posted by: JYDog
Canada
No, isn't an airforce a pretty useless asset anyways, when you're talking war with like russia or china with WMD?
Aww, cmon now JYDog, we can't count paper airplanes as units of a genuine Air Force.
I don't know...maybe someone there is REALLY good with origami
Just a little tit-bit of information. I remember reading somewhere that following the end of the cold war, interviews with some former soviet pilots revealed that up to 80 planes could be tasked to shoot down a single AWACS aircraft.
Now, even given the AWACS had an escort of 4 planes and was within friendly territory, thats a very large threat! I'm just trying to say that - on a small scale (i.e. single vitally important aircraft), it would be possible for the Chinese to have a dangerous airforce - even with outdated technology - so long as they have large enough numbers.
Andy
Now, even given the AWACS had an escort of 4 planes and was within friendly territory, thats a very large threat! I'm just trying to say that - on a small scale (i.e. single vitally important aircraft), it would be possible for the Chinese to have a dangerous airforce - even with outdated technology - so long as they have large enough numbers.
Andy
China has some new planes comming soon... that should even the odd abit more.
J-10 will be use for mainland defence,,
J-11 (Su-27SK) Flanker will be use for long distance missions
FC-1/Super-7/J-12 mostly likey export.
some Sukhoi Su-30MK2 Fighters too
J-10 will be use for mainland defence,,
J-11 (Su-27SK) Flanker will be use for long distance missions
FC-1/Super-7/J-12 mostly likey export.
some Sukhoi Su-30MK2 Fighters too
No, china doesnt have the amphibious capacity to invade. Its not "clearly exaggerating and untrue", its the opinion of the US military. Maybe if China got a lot of lucky breaks it might be able to do it (after sustaining massive casualties), but at the present time, them invading Taiwan would be a militarily foolish move.
True, but you never want to make a war plan (especially one that isnt a fight for survival) that needs several lucky breaks to work.
In case anyone is interested:
info on chinese armed forces @ cnn
edit: oops! someone posted it earlier than me
info on chinese armed forces @ cnn
edit: oops! someone posted it earlier than me
MadRat
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World domination one day will likely be achieved even by the Chinese and Indians. In the end it might boil down to one of these countries starting WWIII, with India invading Pakistan or China invading the Korean peninsula, as these countries are largely immature governments with graying leadership. There is no telling what a shift to the youth in either government could mean for the rest of us.
All of the biggest conflicts known to mankind occur at the onset of the decline of another world power. The French rose to power following the decline of the English and Prussians. The Germans rose up after the French fell into chaos. Japan rose to power following the collapse of the czarist Russians. The English arose from a handy dandy blockade against the colonial expansions by other European powers, which shifted the fortunes to them in a matter of a century. The Americans and Communists rose on the retreat of the Axis, with a virtual rewriting the balance of power in a few years by sheer force of a nuclear threat. Japan filled the shoes triggered by the retreat of the Americans in the Far East in the late 60's, to turn their country into quite a spectacular economic power. The whole of Southeast Asia culminated on the rumblings of the Japanese economic over-expansion. The Chinese again followed up and filled in the gap left by the mediocrity of the southeast Asian bloc, whooing investors in with cheap labor in exchange for technology. The world capitalist corporations have risen on the retreat of the Soviet Union, the Europeans, and the collapse of South Africa - creating a short-lived New World Order. Power is shifting to and fro and nobody knows where its going to be one day from the next.
Does it really matter if its fought by money or missiles? Don't kid yourself thinking that the Chinese are stupid little mongols that couldn't put an offensive strategy together if it came up and bit them in the butt. Its all amounts to who wins. Right now the decline of the stateside economy and all these corporate scandals that people just allow happen, its looking more and more like Americans want to lose.
All of the biggest conflicts known to mankind occur at the onset of the decline of another world power. The French rose to power following the decline of the English and Prussians. The Germans rose up after the French fell into chaos. Japan rose to power following the collapse of the czarist Russians. The English arose from a handy dandy blockade against the colonial expansions by other European powers, which shifted the fortunes to them in a matter of a century. The Americans and Communists rose on the retreat of the Axis, with a virtual rewriting the balance of power in a few years by sheer force of a nuclear threat. Japan filled the shoes triggered by the retreat of the Americans in the Far East in the late 60's, to turn their country into quite a spectacular economic power. The whole of Southeast Asia culminated on the rumblings of the Japanese economic over-expansion. The Chinese again followed up and filled in the gap left by the mediocrity of the southeast Asian bloc, whooing investors in with cheap labor in exchange for technology. The world capitalist corporations have risen on the retreat of the Soviet Union, the Europeans, and the collapse of South Africa - creating a short-lived New World Order. Power is shifting to and fro and nobody knows where its going to be one day from the next.
Does it really matter if its fought by money or missiles? Don't kid yourself thinking that the Chinese are stupid little mongols that couldn't put an offensive strategy together if it came up and bit them in the butt. Its all amounts to who wins. Right now the decline of the stateside economy and all these corporate scandals that people just allow happen, its looking more and more like Americans want to lose.
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