Which cards have dual-CRT support?

[AnAndAustin]

Yeah, keep telling yourself that Peter but I think anybody with a brain can tell you were well wrong ... again!

I see you fail to comment on ATI's own site, Tech-Report and Firing Squad who all show you're wrong. As for the HardOCP I copied the info across for you and you still couldn't read it! Well once again:

HardOCP Hercules Rad8500LE Review

Look at the bottom of the page under the heading 'HYDRAVISION':

QUOTE: "ATi's HYDRAVISION has the ability to run different displays at various refresh rates simultaneously. Most of you who run dual displays know how difficult it can be to run separate refresh rates on separate monitors ( It should be noted that you can't use a DVI-to-VGA adapter to power dual monitors since the 8500LE only has one RAMDAC )."

You know it's sad when someone is wrong and is proven so yet still insists he was right, that shows just how sad and pathetic you really are Peter.

 

[Peter]

I've read that review, and I've looked at Hercules' web site too. Again, both sites state that a DVI-VGA adapter is included for dual CRT setups. Don't you try to tell me how to read ever again.

 

[rbV5]

AnAndAustin, Looks like your restrained Fanboy is just screaming to get out. Your condescending attitude and insulting fine members here is wearing thin buddy. (Oh, should I have started with a "frowny face" to show my displeasure:roll

Most of your so called "facts" concerning Radeon cards is blatant FUD, to the point where inexperienced users who are unfamiliar with the capabilities of particular hardware may be unkowingly swayed by your BS, that aint right man! This kind of crap happens when someone feels compelled to post, not on the benefit of actual experience, but rather by shading the real facts with innaccuracies and an overwhelming array of almost truths, to the point of sounding believable. I don't appreciate your personal attacks and insults to me in another one of your epic thread crapping POSTarama's, but i'm a big boy. Reading your insulting condecscending replies to Peter (a fine, knowlegeable member here I might add, that I can't remember insulting anyone) pisses me off though. Errrr :|

 

[AnAndAustin]

Peter started by making absurd comments like ATI's 3rd party manu is much tighter and better than nVidia's and that it is the GF4 cards which vary hugley depending whether they are oem or retail, or depending upon which manu they are. I replied very respectfully saying, "Peter I believe nVidia's GF4 Windows 'dual view' sw was a step up from ATI's, either way I don't think we're talking noticable diffs here. If anything it is ATI who are lax on 3rd party implimentation. With non-ATI Radeons you generally get cheaper parts (RAM etc), lose speed, o/c'ability, image quality and find things such as RAMDACs and ports have been skimped on. This is a big reason ATI have integrated as much as possible in to a single chip on the Rad9000 cards. GF4 cards are much more consistent and image quality, perf, clocks, component quality and implimentation are very uniform across all manus."

 

[AnAndAustin]

If you look on from there I only started getting defensive when being needlessly provoked and insulted. At every point I stayed impartial and presented the facts and links as openly as possible. I simply don't understand why you guys need to keep up the insults and deny the facts which have proven me wrong on some accounts too.

rbV5, who am I supposed to be a Fanboy of? I have rec Radeon cards just as much as nVidia AND others. I complimented geoff2k's choice of ATI Rad8500 64MB but suggested it might be worth considering a 128MB version ... does that make me a Fanboy of 128MB? Precisely what that I have said about Radeons isn't backed up on review sites or from consumers themselves? Care to give me an example of all this FUD and BS you keep on accusing me of?

As I pointed out I only attack when attacked, I have a right to defend myself you know esp with links and valid comments. Read through the posts and you will find Peter starts swinging first and I have remained totally calm and perfectly reasonable not only before then but afterwards too.

 

[rbV5]

rbV5, who am I supposed to be a Fanboy of?

Apparently your own Superior Opinion. You go out of your way to try and disprove Peters comments with links and so called proof that is simply full of mis-statements and innaccuracies, and then try and ridicule the guy with your charming wit....very nice. Fortunately I can see throughthe FUD you're spreading.................

You are simply wrong on several counts, from now on, you are AnAnd"ASS"stin in my book.

 

[adlep]

Hmm, to end the fight, I can recomend a card, which will support a dual CRTs for sure!
It is also from a respectable online vendor!
It seems to be a fully featured, classic version of Radeon 8500, clocked at 275Mhz with 64 Mb of RAM, under $100.00....
If you want to be 100% sure, just call them up and ask if it will support 2 CRTs...
my suggestion
Edit:
This is not a build by ATI product, but... it is very close to it, they made even similar box......And from what I read over at digit-life.com, it is a good product here
This should do as well.

 

[rbV5]

Fact is AnAndAustin is correct about the Herc card's dual monitor support. It indeed has a
Single RAMDAC, and it does not support dual CRT monitors...period, dual monitors are supported in a CRT + DFP configuration only.

The best way to tell with any 3rd Radeon card what its particular feature set is, is to go to Rage3d.com and check the forums by searching for a particular model, someone there is likely familiar with that particular card.

AnAndAustin, Usually I have a pretty thick skin, but you hit a nerve that set me off (in some other threads), so I guess perhaps I was just looking for a reason to jump on your a$$ in this particular case. So I feel that I inappropriately added to the negative vibe in this thread...my apologies.....I still think you're an A$$, but I guess it takes one to know one.

 

[AnAndAustin]

Hey peace. I never intended to come off as being big-headed or dismissive of other people's opinions, but I guess that is how I may have come off. I always give links to back up my comments and opinions and it can often prove me wrong too, it is not intended to do anything that try to establish the facts.

My apologies to Peter, I respect both your opinion and viewpoint and apologise for notmaking this clear sooner. I do feel as though I was attacked and stoned without cause as I too was simply giving my viewpoint which happened to be different, but then I backed up my claims with sources and links, and it is very annoying for people to throw opinion and unsupprted facts around as so many people seem to do on these forums, and that is NOT intended at anybody in particular but only as my general impression.

 

[AnAndAustin]

rbV5, respect, but please please please can you tell me precisely what I have said that is BS or FUD, as I say my intentions are both good and honest and I support my opinions and recs with evidence whereever possible. I am not a fanboy of anything and I only contribute to these forums in order to help people and bring a balance much needed due to mindless fanboys who would rather see somebody waste money needlessly than to rec an 'evil' alternative.

Once again we are all to blame to the negative vibe of theis thead and that certainly helps nobody, and for the part I played I am sorry, however do look back and you will find my comments both unpersonal and unoffesive until other people chose to attack me simply because they didn't like what I was saying and liked it even less that I could support my comments.

 

[rbV5]

AnAndAustin, I'm not interested in a point by point dissemination of your posts actually, I'm a bit embarrassed by my lashing out and would prefer to put this BS in the past where it belongs. This a great forum that I enjoy hanging in on occasion, and have learned a great deal from the members here.

I'd would like to say however that there is broad base of computer enthusiasts that frequent here, its not all about benchmarks and reviews..in fact I tend to value the opinions of many members here over ANY of the review sites, whom I find to really miss the mark at when it comes to anything more involved than raw numbers and gaming performace. With the all variables involved, living and dying by the numbers means that you have to put faith in the fact that reviewers know what they are doing, have an unbiased opinion and that you can reproduce their results.....thats a lot of faith, and also why I look at reviews with the eyes of skeptic. This thread is a perfect example......for every review you linked to, there was at least another that would refute what they were saying, in fact I found 1 that showed dual monitor support as a Pro and a Con...Pro because of its multimonitor support, Con because of its lack of multimonitor support

I guess my point is, that we are all proud of our rigs (at times LOL) and may take offense when we feel slighted because someone may casually dismiss our proudly purchased hardware that we took care to research and install into the rig that we built ourself...and the damn thing actually worked! I feel myself going...wait a minute, yea that maybe true...but you're not even considering this!

I do believe as well that the majority of my posts over the last couple years have been helpful, or at least positive commentary, rather than fanboy bashing, so I again, am sorry about my personal attack, as it was uncalled for, and has no place in a discussion forum such as this. I'll keep my posting in a more appropriate fashion.

 

[SpideyCU]

I think maybe people wouldn't get so frustrated if you'd just keep to one post at a time instead of doing a dozen every five minutes. You know you can edit your old posts, keep it clean and compact.

But honestly, whether your points are valid or not is washed away when you start being insulting. People then focus on that instead of any data you bring up. You said that "I have remained totally calm and perfectly reasonable not only before then but afterwards too", but c'mon, calm and reasonable people make their point and stop. If you keep reposting and repeating the same line over and over ("even ATI disagree with you Peter." - "but Peter say tha's impossible!!!!" - "he couldn't possibly be wrong after he told me to get the hard facts!"), or dissecting every sentence word for word, you might be able to suspect why others, even people not involved in the discussion, get annoyed.

One word: chiiiiiiill. Then all will be well!

 

[AnAndAustin]

SpideyCU I have explained the problem I had with making 1 larger post in another thread. It simply wasn't possible and was VERY frustrating for me to have to keep chopping and cutting trying to find the maximum word/character limit which was mysteriously imposed, you will find no such thing with my posts of a few weeks ago before the reinstallation. I never set out to make small consecutive posts BUT I had no other option. I reinstalled WinXP Pro recently and have had more than a few probs with Java (which still isn't 100% sorted) and since Hotmail and these forums were the main things hit I put both down to Java. I emailed AnAndTech but got no response (I know those guys are busy) and I copied all of the cookies from my backup CD to try to rectify it to no avail. I have now worked out it was down to my ISP, Telewest Broadband Internet UK who need to have me routed through a proxy server but failed to stipulate this anywhere. Anyway it now seems sorted as with the new proxy in place both Hotmail and these forums work 100% fine and much quicker too. So sorry for the multiple short posts.

I have pointed out that I am partly to blame for the negative vibe this and another thread took but also suggested you do look back as you will find my comments both unpersonal and unoffesive until other people chose to attack me simply because they didn't like what I was saying and liked it even less that I could support my comments with evidence. I will defend myself, especially on points I have proven to be valid from multiple sources ... if other people chill then I have no problem chilling myself. Not being specific to this thread but I find it VERY irritating when people make what are often important, wild and inaccurate comments which obviously lack any supporting evidence.

rbV5, I understand it isn't all about raw numbers or benchmarks and I certainly don't take reviews to be gospel, esp the reviewers personal comments and summaries always attached ... but they are still one of the best sources of both hard facts and comparisons.

When 1 person begins to get agressive, offensive or sarcastic it does make it even harder for the following responses to be constructive, but I guess we can all try a bit harder there. Differing view points make the world a very interesting and diverse place and I have no problems with differing viewpoints esp on matters which are either subjective or very close calls but I get annoyed by blatently incorrect info ... as was pointed out previously there are many less-knowledgable users browsing and an inaccurate statement could cost them a few hundred notes needlessly.

 

[SpideyCU]

I wholeheartedly agree that sometimes it isn't feasible to keep editting and adding. But like I said, when you're trying to make a point, as you were trying about the 8500LE having just one RAMDAC, once is enough - there shouldn't be a need to go back and do it over again (at least until you get a response back). I understand that when you see something that isn't technically accurate you want to correct it, but as mentioned, just relax. Believe me, 3rd parties like myself appreciate info like this being discussed.