Which card for WMV HD

imported_adam1234

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I am about to but a new video card. I know the 6800 will be faster in games, but I am very interested in using WMV HD and I know the 6800 agp doesn't accelerate the WMV HD. Is my barton mobile at 2.4 with 1 gig ram on an nf2 good enought to playback 1080p without accelleration? or should I get a 6600gt because it has the ability to accellerate the video.
 

imported_adam1234

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well I don't have it running yet, since I am waiting to buy the card.... anyone else with a similar system know how it runs? Thanks for the quick response btw
 

Munky

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Last time I checked, none of the Nvidia cards accelerate wmv-hd. Ati cards do, however, with the latest drivers and a patch from M$. Kinda ironic, about the whole pure video thing, isnt it?
 

xtknight

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Originally posted by: adam1234
well I don't have it running yet, since I am waiting to buy the card.... anyone else with a similar system know how it runs? Thanks for the quick response btw

Welcome to the forums...

Take a look at this huge thread that's full of benchmarks from tons of systems.

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=31&threadid=1351873&enterthread=y

Originally posted by: munky
Last time I checked, none of the Nvidia cards accelerate wmv-hd. Ati cards do, however, with the latest drivers and a patch from M$. Kinda ironic, about the whole pure video thing, isnt it?

The NVIDIA cards that are listed on NVIDIA's PureVideo support page work just fine with WMV HD (if they claim they do). Same with MPEG-2.
 

rbV5

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Originally posted by: adam1234
well I don't have it running yet, since I am waiting to buy the card.... anyone else with a similar system know how it runs? Thanks for the quick response btw

Mobile Barton @ 2.4 is "just enough" to playback the tougher 1080p titles like the 1080p step into liquid WMV HD demos with a 6800AGP.
 

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Originally posted by: xtknight
Originally posted by: adam1234
well I don't have it running yet, since I am waiting to buy the card.... anyone else with a similar system know how it runs? Thanks for the quick response btw

Welcome to the forums...

Take a look at this huge thread that's full of benchmarks from tons of systems.

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=31&threadid=1351873&enterthread=y

Originally posted by: munky
Last time I checked, none of the Nvidia cards accelerate wmv-hd. Ati cards do, however, with the latest drivers and a patch from M$. Kinda ironic, about the whole pure video thing, isnt it?

The NVIDIA cards that are listed on NVIDIA's PureVideo support page work just fine with WMV HD. Same with MPEG-2.

Maybe you better reread that thread. If you have NV40 GPU, you better have HT or 2.4 GHz AMD minimum since the CPU is doing all the work.
 

imported_adam1234

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thanks, I think I'm leaning toward the 6600gt just to be sure with the video, as the games aren't as important to me as the video is.

Originally posted by: rbV5
Mobile Barton @ 2.4 is "just enough" to playback the tougher 1080p titles like the 1080p step into liquid WMV HD demos with a 6800AGP.

what would you call "just enough"
 

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Originally posted by: adam1234
thanks, I think I'm leaning toward the 6600gt just to be sure with the video, as the games aren't as important to me as the video is.

Originally posted by: rbV5
Mobile Barton @ 2.4 is "just enough" to playback the tougher 1080p titles like the 1080p step into liquid WMV HD demos with a 6800AGP.

what would you call "just enough"

I mean, if its clocked any lower, you'll drop frames, and if the clip was "any" more intensive, 2.4 GHz would come up short. I did extensive WMV HD testing with my 6800 in my rig last summer/fall powered with a mobile barton at 2.4 GHz AGP rig in my sig.
 

imported_adam1234

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thanks a lot, I guess the 6600 would be more "future resistant" (I may have just made up a new term) than the 6800 as far as the hd video goes.
 

xtknight

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Originally posted by: rbV5
Maybe you better reread that thread. If you have NV40 GPU, you better have HT or 2.4 GHz AMD minimum since the CPU is doing all the work.

Huh? I know...most of those benchmarks were performed back when Microsot didn't hotfix their DXVA. So it should have run the same on any video card back then.
 

rbV5

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Originally posted by: adam1234
thanks a lot, I guess the 6600 would be more "future resistant" (I may have just made up a new term) than the 6800 as far as the hd video goes.

Note that the 6800standard PCIe is not NV40 and is able to accelerate WMV HD.
 

rbV5

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Originally posted by: xtknight
Originally posted by: rbV5
Maybe you better reread that thread. If you have NV40 GPU, you better have HT or 2.4 GHz AMD minimum since the CPU is doing all the work.

Huh? I know...most of those benchmarks were performed back when Microsot didn't hotfix their DXVA. So it should have run the same on any video card back then.

Well why did you post that thread then? Unfortunately, I am pretty familiar with the issue having owned the card.
 

xtknight

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Originally posted by: rbV5
Originally posted by: xtknight
Originally posted by: rbV5
Maybe you better reread that thread. If you have NV40 GPU, you better have HT or 2.4 GHz AMD minimum since the CPU is doing all the work.

Huh? I know...most of those benchmarks were performed back when Microsot didn't hotfix their DXVA. So it should have run the same on any video card back then.

Well why did you post that thread then? Unfortunately, I am pretty familiar with the issue having owned the card.

I assume he wants to get the GeForce 6800 because of its better gaming performance, but is worried it is insufficient for video playback which is why I posted that thread, which is a effectively a bunch of Step Into Liquid CPU benchmarks since the NV40 AGP has the broken PVP (and back then the DXVA patch wasn't released). :confused: But that was before you said you had your 2.4 so now we have a reliable source right? No reason to argue about it.

OP if you don't care a lot about gaming then the 6600GT is obviously for you (especially if you do casual gaming). If you don't game at all period, then there are cheaper cards with DXVA I think.
 

imported_adam1234

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your assumptions are correct, I want the 6800 (agp) but am worried about video playback due to its lack of full purevideo support. Both of you have been a lot of help. Thanks
 

rbV5

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Originally posted by: xtknight
Originally posted by: rbV5
Originally posted by: xtknight
Originally posted by: rbV5
Maybe you better reread that thread. If you have NV40 GPU, you better have HT or 2.4 GHz AMD minimum since the CPU is doing all the work.

Huh? I know...most of those benchmarks were performed back when Microsot didn't hotfix their DXVA. So it should have run the same on any video card back then.

Well why did you post that thread then? Unfortunately, I am pretty familiar with the issue having owned the card.

I assume he wants to get the GeForce 6800 because of its better gaming performance, but is worried it is insufficient for video playback which is why I posted that thread, which is a effectly a bunch of Step Into Liquid CPU benchmarks.

Which also shows, "Like I stated above" that his 2.4 GHz amd CPU is going to be right on the edge of being able to properly playback intensive WMV HD, certainly not
The NVIDIA cards that are listed on NVIDIA's PureVideo support page work just fine with WMV HD.
like you also stated, they don't work "just fine", they "just barely work" with an adequate CPU.
 

xtknight

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Originally posted by: rbV5
The NVIDIA cards that are listed on NVIDIA's PureVideo support page work just fine with WMV HD.
like you also stated, they don't work "just fine", they "just barely work" with an adequate CPU.

??? I never said they would work fine with a 6800 AGP GPU. I said they would with a 6600GT and accelerated, which munky was apparently unaware of. On my 2.2GHz machine with the NV41 card and patch, 1080p takes only about 60% CPU if I recall correctly. I'm talking about the GPUs listed on that page that mention WMV HD Hardware Acceleration. Sorry if I didn't make it clear. I was assuming he'd know what I meant. In other words the cards NVIDIA claimed to have worked (at this moment) with WMV HD DO work. It's not a farce.

720p CPU usage on my 2.2GHz and WMV accelerated 6800 (PCI-E only): http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/xtknight/terminator_dxva.JPG

Remember, this was in reply to munky (who specifically said 6600GT's WMV HD accel didn't even work), not the original poster.
 

Munky

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Originally posted by: xtknight
Originally posted by: rbV5
The NVIDIA cards that are listed on NVIDIA's PureVideo support page work just fine with WMV HD.
like you also stated, they don't work "just fine", they "just barely work" with an adequate CPU.

??? I never said they would work fine with a 6800 AGP GPU. I said they would with a 6600GT and accelerated, which munky was apparently unaware of. On my 2.2GHz machine with the NV41 card and patch, 1080p takes only about 60% CPU if I recall correctly. I'm talking about the GPUs listed on that page that mention WMV HD Hardware Acceleration. Sorry if I didn't make it clear. I was assuming he'd know what I meant. In other words the cards NVIDIA claimed to have worked (at this moment) with WMV HD DO work. It's not a farce.

720p CPU usage on my 2.2GHz and WMV accelerated 6800 (PCI-E only): http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/xtknight/terminator_dxva.JPG

Remember, this was in reply to munky (who said 6600GT's WMV HD accel didn't even work), not the original poster.

OK, thanks for the heads up...
 

xtknight

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The NVIDIA cards that are listed on NVIDIA's PureVideo support page work just fine with WMV HD (if they claim they do). Same with MPEG-2.

There. I apologize if that confused anybody.
 

rbV5

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Originally posted by: xtknight
The NVIDIA cards that are listed on NVIDIA's PureVideo support page work just fine with WMV HD (if they claim they do). Same with MPEG-2.

There. I apologize if that confused anybody.


Nvidia's purevideo support page is about as clear as mud, they are fully capable of confusing anybody all by themselvesPurevideo Support

You have to be somewhat careful on how you read that chart to see how they cleverly hid the fact that WMV HD is not accelerated by NV40 GPU's. The Purevideo technology page is even worse Link
 

gsellis

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Yeah, with the latest 6800 cards, the nVidia Decoder, the MS patch, and WMP10, you should be set. Or, you could get a 6600 and a faster CPU ;) (starting to sound like a broken record - see 7800 vs 520)
 

HDTVMan

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Mine plays on a Radeon 9500 and Athlon XP 2700. 1920x1080P is no problem.

A good CPU makes the world of difference in WMV9/10
 

rbV5

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Originally posted by: HDTVMan
Mine plays on a Radeon 9500 and Athlon XP 2700. 1920x1080P is no problem.

A good CPU makes the world of difference in WMV9/10

And so does even "some" DXVA acceleration.

There's a good example right there. With your radeon 9500, it can use the shader pipeline using DXVA to accelerate WMV HD, so even a slower 2166 MHz clockspeed of XP 2700+ can adequately decode WMV HD 1080p, however, with an AGP 6800 of any flavor, it maybe able to decode a good share of WMV HD titles at 2166 MHz, it will however, choke on more demanding titles even at 2700+ speeds.

You'll need hyperthreading Intel or 3000+ AMD XP CPU clockspeed to adequately decode WMV HD titles if you want to use an AGP6800 of any flavor(or 6800GT/U PCIe for that matter)
 

eelw

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Originally posted by: HDTVMan
A good CPU makes the world of difference in WMV9/10

Give h.264 a try then :) 1080p h.264 video brings anything down on its knees.

 

Childs

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Originally posted by: rbV5
Nvidia's purevideo support page is about as clear as mud, they are fully capable of confusing anybody all by themselvesPurevideo Support

Yeah, at first I didn't notice what you were talking about until I noticed "hardware accelerated decode" was missing for the 6800s under WMV9. Otherwise, its word for word with other working models description. Someone looking for a card today with WMV9 hardware decode could be fooled by this page.