Don Vito Corleone
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"Sexual rights"? If people didn't spay and neuter their pets, this country would be overrun with stray cats and dogs. Neutering a cat is a relatively low-stress outpatient procedure (though spaying is admittedly more involved). Declawing is a bloody and painful procedure in which the cat's last knuckles are cut off. You can rationalize it all you want, but IMO you shouldn't have a cat if you can't deal with it having claws.
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Don Vito Corleone
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You just have to be firm with them. I have the biggest cat I've ever seen, but as long as I handle him firmly, he has no problem with claw-clipping.
Mo' Vito
As it happens, he has extra toes, so declawing him would constitute major, awful surgery, and I would never even have considered it anyway.
Do NOT declaw. it's like if someone were to cut your fingers off at the knuckle, it does change a cats personality. declawed cats tend to bite alot.
Get one from the pound. You probably will be able to tell who's mellow just by sitting there for a few minutes and watching them interact with each other.
0roo0roo
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you are imposing your needs over the cats. you are defacing their body to meet your own petty needs. you talk of knuckles being painful? talk about your genitals being mutilated. i know you have to take your position to feel better about what you do for your convenience, but realize its just that. you are rationalizing and being a hipocrite. no one is forcing you to own a cat.
bullpucky. the declawed cats i've delt with didn't bite at all.
as for the health arguement..how abouts i spay or neuter you if its so wonderful. so rationalizing.
Don Vito Corleone
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How is concern over the vast overpopulation of domestic animals "defacing their body to meet [my] own petty needs?" I take it, then, that you're conceding that declawing is defacing the animal to meet the owner's petty needs? If you do that, it seems to me you're the "hipocrite" (sic).
Huh after my cat was declawed he underwent a radical personality change. Furthermore Keeping the stray population down has NOTHING to do with my "petty needs".
0roo0roo
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no actually i'm not against either. i'm just pointing out the inconsistency and hipocrisy of those who demonize one while readily accepting the other. if you are consistent with the whole declawing is cruel blah blah blah it needs its natural abilities/convenience is not justified then you cannot justify spaying of neutering. and if you cannot justify spaying or neutering then unless you are willing to spend the time breeding ever more cats to take care of to meet their natural needs you could not ethically justify owning a cat at all. no ones forcing you to enslave an animal and alter it for your own selfish convenience and to further propagate a system that creates such oppressive cruelty after all.
You sound like a wacky Peta member. The drivel you spew reeks of the propaganda they spoonfeed to their clueless members.
You want to hear about a system that creates oppressive cruelty? How about letting cats breed out of control and having them put to sleep since there aren't enough potential owners to keep up with the amount of kittens that are born. If cat owners don't control the amount of offspring their cats have, the pound will, after the fact, with a needle.
B.S.
The only cats I've ever had bite me (whether playing or not) were clawed cats.
Every de-clawed cat I've ever been around has been completely mellow and wouldn't ever bite.
0roo0roo
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wow are you ever missing the point. reading comprehension a little poor maybe? i said i'm for both because they are both rational. idiot. i use the peta arguments and logic because thats basically what the anti declawers use to demonize those who choose it. its the people who demonize declawing who are the ones who've bought the peta line hook line and sinker. but oddly enough only for this specific issue. they use the arguements, but don't apply them when inconvenient. i'm just pointing it out and saying get off your frikkin high horse about declawing. get over it, you are owning a cat for your own selfish desires and you are altering it to fit your needs. don't rationalize your own bullsh*t about spaying and then demonize someone elses so readily on declawing. just be self aware.
you realize the whole notion that cats are acceptable as pets at all is what leads to the overpopulation and culling problem that lleads to justification of such things as spaying. kinda circular really.
And for the record, many of us have all been "painfully circumcised" as a child.
Does anyone remember how bad that hurt?
Does anyone remember how bad that hurt?
I don't own a cat, never have, and don't even like cats so I'm not involved in this discussion. BTW, your shift key may be broken.
alkemyst
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Originally posted by: batchusa
don't declaw...if the cat gets into a fight w/o claws....
don't keep your pets outside.
screw other cats, your pet meets just a squirrel they can be maimed.
OH and BTW roads are nice and warm and good to sleep on, until mr. car comes and flattens my comfy butt.
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