Look at some of the monitors made by NEC and tell me why..
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductLi...ec%20lcd%20monitor&bop=And&Order=PRICE
Look at some of the monitors made by NEC and tell me why..
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductLi...ec%20lcd%20monitor&bop=And&Order=PRICE
This is what I hate the most about TN panels. Nevermind that they are technically inferior, but companies that make LCDs recognize the fact that people will gobble these TN panels up like candy. Instead of high quality panels such as IPS or PVA coming down to mainstream prices, they're becoming elitist panels that we have to pay an extreme premium for.
Little rant:
Panel Type: Active Matrix, TFT LCD
This is almost always listed in a monitor's specs. Talk about useless :thumbsdown:
Panel Type: Active Matrix, TFT LCD
This is almost always listed in a monitor's specs. Talk about useless :thumbsdown:
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I can vouch for the LG226WT. Hey matt, if there is something inferior about my monitor, you need to point it out to me. I am pretty picky about monitors and this one gives me no cause to dislike it in any way. Colors are full, little to no backlight bleed, good contrast, and fast paced gaming. Nice and bright. What's not to like? That it's called a TN panel? Well that is just silly. Really.....gooood.....panel in this LG.
Until it becomes unacceptable to consumers to spend hundreds of dollars or more for LCD monitors and then have to live with them if they don't have MORE than the "allowable" number of dead pixels, etc I'll stick with my trouble free CRT monitors. I started out here looking at LCD monitors, but this practice really turned me off.
IMO you are allowing that industry to get away with murder instead of boycotting them until they give you warranties that benefit YOU instead of THEM.
John
IMO you are allowing that industry to get away with murder instead of boycotting them until they give you warranties that benefit YOU instead of THEM.
John
Keys, if you like your monitor then that is great and I am not trying to take anything away from that. In every thread I bash TN panels, I always say if someone can't tell the difference then it doesnt matter what panel they get.
Here, from this very thread:
I also dont know why you took personal offense to me saying TN panels are "technically inferior". They are! There is no denying that!
Your LG might be the best TN LCD out there, but...
It still doesnt have true 8-bit color. I dont care what you say about how good the colors are, it's still 6bit + FRC.
It still has horrible 160* viewing angles.
It still has a terrible pixel pitch.
In the end, it's still a TN.
Also, isnt this your first LCD? The fact that you have not seen a true high quality panel such as S-IPS or a good S-PVA makes me take your comments about your experience with TN panels with a huge grain of salt.
Like I said before, if none of the faults TN panels have bother you, then good for you. But dont expect me to say anything nice about an inferior panel.
Hey guys,
What manufacturers still make IPS-based panels? I can't tell since, as someone already mentioned, they're all advertised as being "Active Matrix, TFT LCD" panels. Couldn't get any more redundant than that...
What manufacturers still make IPS-based panels? I can't tell since, as someone already mentioned, they're all advertised as being "Active Matrix, TFT LCD" panels. Couldn't get any more redundant than that...
For most consumers TN panels are just fine. Even as gaming rigs. Alot of people will not pay for the better IPS panel LCDs and thats what manufacturers see and react to. So they produce TN panels and get alot of sales. You can be picky as the day is long about LCDs and if you do find one that has everything you want its going to cost you alot more. Thats just how it is wether we agree with it or not.
Personally I dont see TN panels as bad. They may not be as good as IPS panels but they arent so bad that you cant use them for everyday net surfing and couple hours of gaming in the evenings which is probably the definetion of the normal average PC user.
Personally I dont see TN panels as bad. They may not be as good as IPS panels but they arent so bad that you cant use them for everyday net surfing and couple hours of gaming in the evenings which is probably the definetion of the normal average PC user.
The thing I hate most about TN panels is the horrid viewing angle. Everything else is acceptable but that. The viewing angle is just so poor. In person, it usually feels like a 45 degree viewing angle, not 160.
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Ummm, no. This is my first LCD for my HOME computer. I use a variety of different types at work. All shapes and sizes and makes. From Viewsonic to Benq to Samsung etc. etc.
No personal offense taken and no real reason for you to think I took personal offense, unless that is the only way you know how to win an argument.
In the end, it's still a TN...... and ..... a damn good panel. Technically inferior means squat if the difference cannot be EASILY perceived.
If I put you in a room full of 20 panels, 10 of them 6 bit +dither and 10 of them 8 bit, you will not be able to sort them out (without knowledge of the make and model that is.) And if you say you can, I'd have to call you something I don't really want to call you.
So, you can go on bashing TN's, MVA's or what the heck ever til you drop. I'll just sit here and enjoy mine as you say I should.
/peace.
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LOL oh i'd love to do that.
It's so ridiculously easy to tell TNs apart from VA/IPS panels with a quick look from a lower viewing angle.
And no, i am not kidding or exaggerating, it's ridiculously easy.
You have a good monitor keys :thumbsup:
But there's a difference between good & great, & that difference is enough some of us insist on the great instead of the good.
TN panels can be perfectly acceptable in many areas, such as color, brightness, contrast, response time, and even horizontal viewing angles. However, their most glaring fault is the vertical viewing angle. This paragraph about the Samsung 226BW from Prad.de describes the problem:
Whilst the horizontal contrast viewed from the side can just about be deemed good, colour changes due to the viewing angle can be seen vertically from practically every seating position. A monocoloured grey desktop background appears darker at the upper edge and brighter at the lower edge of the screen. The viewing angle from underneath declines particularly rapidly so that the contrast quickly collapses. We also noticed this problem in the ViewSonic VX2235. Users who are particularly choosy about viewing angles would be better advised to choose a VA or IPS monitor with more stable viewing angles.
See the bottom of This Page. BTW, the whole review of the 226BW is interesting.
Whilst the horizontal contrast viewed from the side can just about be deemed good, colour changes due to the viewing angle can be seen vertically from practically every seating position. A monocoloured grey desktop background appears darker at the upper edge and brighter at the lower edge of the screen. The viewing angle from underneath declines particularly rapidly so that the contrast quickly collapses. We also noticed this problem in the ViewSonic VX2235. Users who are particularly choosy about viewing angles would be better advised to choose a VA or IPS monitor with more stable viewing angles.
See the bottom of This Page. BTW, the whole review of the 226BW is interesting.
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Originally posted by: n7
LOL oh i'd love to do that.
It's so ridiculously easy to tell TNs apart from VA/IPS panels with a quick look from a lower viewing angle.
And no, i am not kidding or exaggerating, it's ridiculously easy.
You have a good monitor keys :thumbsup:
But there's a difference between good & great, & that difference is enough some of us insist on the great instead of the good.
But that's just it N7. If a monitor is "good", then why act as if it is so damn terrible? Good Panel for Good Money. Great Panel for Great Money. Goes without saying.
Ah, n/m. I shouldn't really bother. Just trying to pass along a good monitor experience to others.
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Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Originally posted by: n7
LOL oh i'd love to do that.
It's so ridiculously easy to tell TNs apart from VA/IPS panels with a quick look from a lower viewing angle.
And no, i am not kidding or exaggerating, it's ridiculously easy.
You have a good monitor keys :thumbsup:
But there's a difference between good & great, & that difference is enough some of us insist on the great instead of the good.
But that's just it N7. If a monitor is "good", then why act as if it is so damn terrible? Good Panel for Good Money. Great Panel for Great Money. Goes without saying.
Ah, n/m. I shouldn't really bother. Just trying to pass along a good monitor experience to others.
I didn't know i was acting as if it was terrible
However, the only time i will recommend a TN is when budget is a concern, since i have enough experience with all the panel types.
That all being said, with budget in mind, the Samsung or the LG are the best options in that range IMO.
Best options in a price range doesn't equate to great monitor though, & it's not like i have money to burn either.
I've had to save up for long periods of time to get my displays, but they've been worth it (aside from the 204B TN mistake i got), & it was tolerable since it was dirt cheap for me at the time.
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