Where's the compassion for Saddam's victims?

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Bush's strategy fo the ME is clearly working. Just look at what is happening in Egypt, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Libya, and Palestine/Israel.

The problem with poeple like you is that you have no foresight or vision.

Reagan was right and Bush is too.

If the goal was so noble, then why the lies to get it in motion? Wouldn't his policies "stand on their own two feet"?

Pick up a newspaper every once in a while. Thanks to George Bush's policies, Democracy is on the march in the Middle East.

Democracy is on the march alright, right up our troops and the Iraqi civilians asses every day. Funny how that democracy can get you killed so easily. Strage concept of democracy you got there RIP. Democracy is on the march like democracy was on the march when we landing in the USA and gave it to Indians that were here. :roll:

Freedom isn't "free".

Oh, I know. It is not free. It cost, depending on what figures you can find, 12 million or so lives when we gave the Indians the democracy they had been so sorely lacking. It would seem the only way we know how to spread democracy is at the end of a gun.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Pick up a newspaper every once in a while. Thanks to George Bush's policies, Democracy is on the march in the Middle East.

How can the ends justify the means, when the 'end' in question is supposed to be freedom.

So are you suggesting that we reinstall Saddam because the world intelligence community thought that he had WMDs and we haven't conclusively determined that he did?

No, and I don't need to bother suggesting that the war was a bad idea in the first place, because it already happened.

I just don't buy the 'the war in Iraq has produced fantastic results' spin; you can't force people to be free, no matter how much you want to.

Where's the force? The Iraqis votes on their own, in extraordinarily high numbers, under the threat of violence.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Bush's strategy fo the ME is clearly working. Just look at what is happening in Egypt, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Libya, and Palestine/Israel.

The problem with poeple like you is that you have no foresight or vision.

Reagan was right and Bush is too.

If the goal was so noble, then why the lies to get it in motion? Wouldn't his policies "stand on their own two feet"?

Pick up a newspaper every once in a while. Thanks to George Bush's policies, Democracy is on the march in the Middle East.

Democracy is on the march alright, right up our troops and the Iraqi civilians asses every day. Funny how that democracy can get you killed so easily. Strage concept of democracy you got there RIP. Democracy is on the march like democracy was on the march when we landing in the USA and gave it to Indians that were here. :roll:

Freedom isn't "free".

It would seem the only way we know how to spread democracy is at the end of a gun.

That's what it often takes.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Bush's strategy fo the ME is clearly working. Just look at what is happening in Egypt, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Libya, and Palestine/Israel.

The problem with poeple like you is that you have no foresight or vision.

Reagan was right and Bush is too.

If the goal was so noble, then why the lies to get it in motion? Wouldn't his policies "stand on their own two feet"?

Pick up a newspaper every once in a while. Thanks to George Bush's policies, Democracy is on the march in the Middle East.

Democracy is on the march alright, right up our troops and the Iraqi civilians asses every day. Funny how that democracy can get you killed so easily. Strage concept of democracy you got there RIP. Democracy is on the march like democracy was on the march when we landing in the USA and gave it to Indians that were here. :roll:

Freedom isn't "free".

It would seem the only way we know how to spread democracy is at the end of a gun.

That's what it often takes.

To fail miserably.......

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Bush's strategy fo the ME is clearly working. Just look at what is happening in Egypt, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Libya, and Palestine/Israel.

The problem with poeple like you is that you have no foresight or vision.

Reagan was right and Bush is too.

If the goal was so noble, then why the lies to get it in motion? Wouldn't his policies "stand on their own two feet"?

Pick up a newspaper every once in a while. Thanks to George Bush's policies, Democracy is on the march in the Middle East.

Democracy is on the march alright, right up our troops and the Iraqi civilians asses every day. Funny how that democracy can get you killed so easily. Strage concept of democracy you got there RIP. Democracy is on the march like democracy was on the march when we landing in the USA and gave it to Indians that were here. :roll:

Freedom isn't "free".

It would seem the only way we know how to spread democracy is at the end of a gun.

That's what it often takes.

To fail miserably.......

I see that you've never studied history.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Where's the force? The Iraqis votes on their own, in extraordinarily high numbers, under the threat of violence.

Did they ever have a choice about whether to have a democracy? Did they ever rise up and ask for help?

No. Their country was invaded, and an admittedly 'bad person' was deposed as ruler - but the vlaue judgement (democracy >* was imposed, as was the process).

Can anything positive come out of it? Of course!

Can it be used to justify the original action? Not a chance.

 

[TuxDave]

Hahaha... Rip's finally back and he's back to his good ol' trash-talking ways. I was beginning to think that P&N was finally calming down after the election. Guess I was wrong.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Where's the force? The Iraqis votes on their own, in extraordinarily high numbers, under the threat of violence.

Did they ever have a choice about whether to have a democracy? Did they ever rise up and ask for help?

No. Their country was invaded, and an admittedly 'bad person' was deposed as ruler - but the vlaue judgement (democracy >* was imposed, as was the process).

Can anything positive come out of it? Of course!

Can it be used to justify the original action? Not a chance.

I didn't have any problem with the original action so it's not an issue for me.

 

[Infohawk]

No, the real question is where is all the compassion for the victims of dictators who America has supported over the years.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
No, the real question is where is all the compassion for the victims of dictators who America has supported over the years.

Show me a country that's done more good in the world than the US.

 

[TuxDave]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Infohawk
No, the real question is where is all the compassion for the victims of dictators who America has supported over the years.

Show me a country that's done more good in the world than the US.

Maybe I'm reading it differently, but when he says 'dictators' I don't think he's talking about Presidents. I think he's talking about foreign leaders who are questionable in their actions yet are still widely supported by the US. But maybe I'm just reading his question differently.

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Infohawk
No, the real question is where is all the compassion for the victims of dictators who America has supported over the years.

Show me a country that's done more good in the world than the US.

Not quite sure why you quoted Infohawk, Rip. Your statement has absolutely nothing to do with what he said.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Infohawk
No, the real question is where is all the compassion for the victims of dictators who America has supported over the years.

Show me a country that's done more good in the world than the US.

Not quite sure why you quoted Infohawk, Rip. Your statement has absolutely nothing to do with what he said.

It has everything to with what he said. He's bashing America and I'm asking him what country has contributed more to the well-being of the world than the US.

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Infohawk
No, the real question is where is all the compassion for the victims of dictators who America has supported over the years.

Show me a country that's done more good in the world than the US.

Not quite sure why you quoted Infohawk, Rip. Your statement has absolutely nothing to do with what he said.

It has everything to with what he said. He's bashing America and I'm asking him what country has contributed more to the well-being of the world than the US.

Damn, not this logic again. "We do good, so no criticism is allowed."

Remind you of a common subject on these forums?

 

[Brackis]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

It has everything to with what he said. He's bashing America and I'm asking him what country has contributed more to the well-being of the world than the US.

Which country has caused more destruction?

Those who contribute the most to our world are not designated by country, but by class. The countless hundreds of millions who work low paying jobs in factories, farms, and under less than ideal conditions so that the luxuries of the modern world can become availible and that those who can control them are able to profit.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Infohawk
No, the real question is where is all the compassion for the victims of dictators who America has supported over the years.

Show me a country that's done more good in the world than the US.

Not quite sure why you quoted Infohawk, Rip. Your statement has absolutely nothing to do with what he said.

It has everything to with what he said. He's bashing America and I'm asking him what country has contributed more to the well-being of the world than the US.

Rip, we all know damn well about this country's history. We are concerned with the present time and our future.

 

[Caminetto]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
No, the real question is where is all the compassion for the victims of dictators who America has supported over the years.

No sh*t. Murders, ethnic cleansing and horrors abound. If the administration would proclaim that they would not tolerate any of this worldwide, that would be acceptable. But that's not the case. They want to pick a spot being guided by the PNAC and oil interests. Not only years after the atrocities but after years support and head turning.
Morality takes on a new meaning when political favors must be returned.

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
More Iraqi's are dying now on a daily basis than were the previous 4 years prior to our invasion.

Even if that's true, are you suggesting that the American goverment is worse than Saddam's regime?

ROFL.....so now you're just going to bump you old retarded threads instead of creating new ones in hopes you won't get banned again? You're pathetic. 😛

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
More Iraqi's are dying now on a daily basis than were the previous 4 years prior to our invasion.

Even if that's true, are you suggesting that the American goverment is worse than Saddam's regime?

ROFL.....so now you're just going to bump you old retarded threads instead of creating new ones in hopes you won't get banned again? You're pathetic. 😛

Damn...this is pretty sad.

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
More Iraqi's are dying now on a daily basis than were the previous 4 years prior to our invasion.

Even if that's true, are you suggesting that the American goverment is worse than Saddam's regime?

ROFL.....so now you're just going to bump you old retarded threads instead of creating new ones in hopes you won't get banned again? You're pathetic. 😛

:laugh:

 

[SuperTool]

Maybe you shoudl ask Rumsfeld.