Where's the 7970x2

[tigersty1e]

So the GTX 690 dropped, but the 7970x2 single card has not released.

Not even rumors have surfaced.

Could AMD be close to dropping a 8970 (tweaked 7970) very soon along with a 8970x2 card?

That would rain on nvidia's decision to call their true gtx 670 a gtx 680. Let's be honest, the gtx 660 has the specs (192 bit bus) of a gtx 650. I think they saw the lack of competition from amd and upped their naming scheme.

 

[SickBeast]

These are halo cards so if AMD can't beat the GTX 690 they might as well not even make one IMO.

Based on the 7970's worse power consumption and TDP I really don't think they can do it, personally.

 

[Despoiler]

Last I heard AMD was having troubles sourcing a cooler good enough to dissipate the wattage they wanted/needed. It's been so long since I heard anything. They might have just forgone that hunt in place of a new stepping.

 

[tonyjones]

I doubt AMD 7990 will beat the GTX 690, AMD lost this round.

 

[Kenmitch]

Most likely it has something to do with crossfire scaling consistency as its all over the place currently.

The 690 looks like a nice card but within reach it looks like. I'd think if AMD can fix GCN multi card scaling a dual card will emerge. If not then what's the point of it.

 

[atticus14]

i think the only "tweaks" we will see till the 8xxx series will be on tsmc's part of improving the process. There was that one rumor that 1 part of a 7970 was disabled for yields not sure if thats true or been squashed by now, but Anything 8xxx series is due around Q1 2013, Im sure they would push it up to christmas if they can - but even if they can tsmc has to have room to make them.

 

[SickBeast]

Well, one advantage AMD has is the 3gb of vram per GPU.

 

[Upgrade_Itch]

I doubt AMD 7990 will beat the GTX 690, AMD lost this round.

AMD always wins.....


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[ViRGE]

These are halo cards so if AMD can't beat the GTX 690 they might as well not even make one IMO.

Based on the 7970's worse power consumption and TDP I really don't think they can do it, personally.

I'd accuse you of having a fatalistic attitude, but after seeing AnandTech's review, I'm in the uncomfortable position of agreeing with you.

Given what we know about 7970 and its power consumption, even if AMD did some binning for low leaking parts it's still consuming a fair bit of power. The best case scenario for AMD is a repeat of the 6990: a 375W card featuring a pair of fully enabled Tahiti chips running at 7950 clockspeeds. Not only is their power consumption higher than the GTX 690 right off the bat, but performance would be notably lower. They could certainly try to undercut the GTX 690 on price, but single GPU performance would be so low compared to GTX 690 that they'd end up in the same awkward situation that the GTX 560 Ti 2Win was in.

 

[Insomniator]

Oh my god who ****ing cares about who has the fastest card.

 

[pcm81]

Oh my god who ****ing cares about who has the fastest card.

+1

 

[ViRGE]

Oh my god who ****ing cares about who has the fastest card.

Hi, I'm a video card hobbyist. I care.

 

[badb0y]

7990 is in the lab trying to best the GTX 690. I don't think AMD wants to release a 7990 if it doesn't beat a GTX 690. They might try something funky like the AUSUM bios switch.

 

[3DVagabond]

AMD said June for the 7990. I'm sure it's to get better binned chips and for nVidia to set the target.

 

[Destiny]

7990 is in the lab trying to best the GTX 690. I don't think AMD wants to release a 7990 if it doesn't beat a GTX 690. They might try something funky like the AUSUM bios switch.

+1... I think so too... if they can't beat the GTX 690 they have to find a way to make it work in performance between the 7970 & GTX 690 and price it accordingly... NewEgg's GTX 690 pricing of $200 over MSRP is causing hell! D:

 

[aaksheytalwar]

AMD was planning on doing a 1000 core 7990 acc to rumors. If they actually do that, given that 690 is slightly slower than 680 SLI and given that 7970 OC trades blows with 680 stock, a 7990 stock would beat the 690 by 2-5% avg across the board.

And given the ample OC room 7xxx series has, it would be a no brainer as it would be possible to make it 10-15% faster than 690 stock, or 5%+ faster than 690 OC.

They could easily price it at at least $1000 if they do that. But perhaps technical problems of wafer availability, heat, wattage etc is what is getting the better of them.

AFAIK 8970 is unlikely before Q1 13 or even Q2.

 

[Keysplayr]

AMD was planning on doing a 1000 core 7990 acc to rumors. If they actually do that, given that 690 is slightly slower than 680 SLI and given that 7970 OC trades blows with 680 stock, a 7990 stock would beat the 690 by 2-5% avg across the board.

And given the ample OC room 7xxx series has, it would be a no brainer as it would be possible to make it 10-15% faster than 690 stock, or 5%+ faster than 690 OC.

They could easily price it at at least $1000 if they do that. But perhaps technical problems of wafer availability, heat, wattage etc is what is getting the better of them.

AFAIK 8970 is unlikely before Q1 13 or even Q2.

This reads as major wishful thinking. Not only do you think AMD can place two 7970s on a single chip, but overclock them as well. You see what happens to the power consumption of a single 7970 when overclocked.
The card you're dreaming of here would likely be pulling close to 400W unless I'm completely off.

 

[aaksheytalwar]

This reads as major wishful thinking. Not only do you think AMD can place two 7970s on a single chip, but overclock them as well. You see what happens to the power consumption of a single 7970 when overclocked.
The card you're dreaming of here would likely be pulling close to 400W unless I'm completely off.

Power consumption is irrelevant. Anybody who can afford 7990 can afford a 1200+ watts Gold PSU and electricity bills means zilch to such people.

I wouldn't spend $1500-2000 (in my country the price for dual GPUs) on a GPU, yet it doesn't bother me if I need to buy a 1000 watts PSU nor do I care about power savings from my PC.

So that point is mute. It is meant for a niche crowd and money and related stuff isn't a factor for those people as long as they can substantiate with adequate performance or at least come close.

 

[lavaheadache]

I don't know why we have the power consumption conversation time and time again. I think the majority of buyers for a card like this could care less about power consumption.

 

[Xcobra]

I don't know why we have the power consumption conversation time and time again. I think the majority of buyers for a card like this could care less about power consumption.

This. As awesome as it is seeing beasts like the GTX 690 ripping through frame rates, there is no way most people would buy this. You either must have a lot of cash or you just don't care about anything else and want the latest and greatest.

 

[Meaker10]

We still need a replacement for the 560ti thats not priced at £400 to actually help most consumers get good cards at a decent price.

 

[guskline]

The 690GTX might be a "killer" on paper but AMD is probably laughing all the way to the bank as it saturates the market with 7000 series video cards.

First, finding a 680 is a BEAR. I know, I just got one but what an adventure! I could have picked from a number of 7970s for less $$$ but i wanted a 680 for my 3 monitor setup. Even if I had the $$$ for a 690 tell me where you will find one ? Seriously, talk about a paper launch!

Second, bragging rights are one thing but the "elite" buyers have the $$$ to spec a super rig with multiple GPUs. Lordy, 2 680s probably makes more sense (just as much Vram, not much more power) and a slightly better chance of finding them. AND the person who SLIs 2 680s most likely has all other high end components.

With all of that said, I think AMD is happy to have a full slate of new cards to allow GPU buyers of all price points to choose. The money is rolling in. Nvidia ? 680s are rare as hens teeth.

 

[shaynoa]

Why is the electricity use a factor when most people who can afford these cards don't really care about a few extra dollars a month to run the dam thing ,they spend more money than what it will cost on beer and smokes

if it's about heat watercool it,sorry is that to simple

you know every new card that comes out the same crap is written about each card

get real will you guys it about the power of the card nothing more
if you can't afford these cards why bag them over electricity,
good god get a life or a job

shaynoa

 

[Jaydip]

But this power card trick was being performed night and day during the Fermi era
Situation changes it seems
7970X2 will be a monster but it won't be able to beat the 690 it seems.

 

[Keysplayr]

Power consumption is irrelevant. Anybody who can afford 7990 can afford a 1200+ watts Gold PSU and electricity bills means zilch to such people.

I wouldn't spend $1500-2000 (in my country the price for dual GPUs) on a GPU, yet it doesn't bother me if I need to buy a 1000 watts PSU nor do I care about power savings from my PC.

So that point is mute. It is meant for a niche crowd and money and related stuff isn't a factor for those people as long as they can substantiate with adequate performance or at least come close.

Oh it's not relevant. Well, when will it become relevant again? You know, like it was for the past 3 gens or so? I know I know. That never happened.
Besides this point, I was talking about the 300W spec that is currently followed for PCI-e devices. GTX690 is downclocked to 915 from 1006 to meet this 300W spec.