Where's my stuff, Amazon?

dud

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Looking for a job? Thinking about working for Amazon? Think twice:


http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/19/inside-amazons-very-hot-warehouse/




"Amazon.com did not create the notion of buying things online, but it has done more than any other retailer to move the experience into the mainstream. It has exceeded its customers’ expectations so often it must constantly struggle to top itself. “At first people were incredulous that the mouse on their computer was connected to their doorbell,” the Amazon executive Russell Grandinetti said recently. “Now they say: ‘It’s been 12 hours. Where’s my stuff?’ ”

All that stuff doesn’t magically fly to your house, even if the goal is to have it seem that way. The Morning Call, a daily newspaper in Allentown, Pa., delivered a grim picture last weekend about what it is like to work in the local Amazon warehouse, sorting material for delivery to millions of eager customers. In eastern Pennsylvania, like just about everywhere else, jobs are lacking, and Amazon is one of the few places that is hiring. Many workers are brought on by a staffing company as temporary workers (“Are you interested in working in a fun, fast-paced atmosphere earning up to $12.25 per hour?” the ad asks.) This transient status gives them little incentive to complain, even as the heat boiled upward over the summer. The result was an environment that, one employee told the paper, resembled “working in a convection oven while blow-drying your hair.”

In a lengthy and heavily reported article, The Call said a warehouse employee contacted the Occupational Safety and Health Administration on June 2 to report that the heat index in the warehouse had reached 102 degrees, and that 15 workers had collapsed. The employee also said workers who were sent home because of the heat received disciplinary points.

Eight days later, the paper said, an emergency room doctor at a local hospital saw enough Amazon employees suffering from heat-related injuries to call OSHA and report “an unsafe environment.”

So many ambulances responded to medical assistance calls at the warehouse during a heat wave in May, the paper said, that the retailer paid Cetronia Ambulance Corps to have paramedics and ambulances stationed outside the warehouse during several days of excess heat over the summer. About 15 people were taken to hospitals, while 20 or 30 more were treated right there, the ambulance chief told The Call.

OSHA, which investigated conditions at the warehouse, told Amazon that the way the warehouse was run had “the potential to adversely impact” employee safety and health.

In a statement Monday, Amazon said, “the safety and well-being of our associates is our number one priority.” It stressed it took emergency actions during the various heat waves, including shutting down the warehouse three times, but did not specifically challenge any of The Call’s extensive reporting.

Investors were undaunted; in the challenging Internet economy, this is the exact way they want companies to be run. On a down day for the market, the retailer’s stock rose $2.39 on Monday to a new high of $241.69, giving Amazon a market value of $110 billion."

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AstroManLuca

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why not use some of that $110 billion to invest in some more AC units, makes workers happier and more productive and gets OSHA off their back.
 

Eli

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LOL.. I'm sorry, but if it's so hot that working is going to make me pass out, I'd simply stop working and take a break. And if that's not acceptable, I'd walk out. Simple.

There's no way I'd work myself until I actually passed out, that's just silly.

Sounds like Amazon needs to invest in a couple of air conditioners.
 

AreaCode707

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As an ex-employee, this article doesn't match up with what I witnessed. Fulfillment centers are highly prioritized and watched, and the executives spend an incredible amount of time there; anyone at a VP level and higher is actually sent to do packing during the Christmas rush to make sure they have an understanding of the limitations and requirements of the FC life.

Sounds like heat wave + broken AC + system for automatically deducting points for missing work + middle management making some poor decisions = crappy work experience for a week or three.
 

dud

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As an ex-employee, this article doesn't match up with what I witnessed. Fulfillment centers are highly prioritized and watched, and the executives spend an incredible amount of time there; anyone at a VP level and higher is actually sent to do packing during the Christmas rush to make sure they have an understanding of the limitations and requirements of the FC life.

Sounds like heat wave + broken AC + system for automatically deducting points for missing work + middle management making some poor decisions = crappy work experience for a week or three.




I hope this is the case. If this is the future for the American worker (many willing to take a crappy job if the employee fell) then the future is indeed bleak.
 

Macamus Prime

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The solution is simple; make everything in China, ship it all over to India, have them sort all that suff out and THEN ship it to the US!

We'll save trillions!

They will also save money on the warehouse space they have to rent/buy in the US.
 

AMDZen

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You can basically copy and paste that atmosphere and apply it to any warehouse in the south and even most of the country. Summer was hot this year, thats what happens if your a warehouse worker in a hot as fuck part of the country during one of the hottest summers ever
 

KaOTiK

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I'd sacrifice a village full of orphans for free overnight delivery on every purchase
 

AMDZen

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The solution is simple; make everything in China, ship it all over to India, have them sort all that suff out and THEN ship it to the US!

We'll save trillions!

They will also save money on the warehouse space they have to rent/buy in the US.

Completely true and will probably be the reality before we know it. Which will lead us one step further to the collapse of this nation.
 

fenrir

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You can basically copy and paste that atmosphere and apply it to any warehouse in the south and even most of the country. Summer was hot this year, thats what happens if your a warehouse worker in a hot as fuck part of the country during one of the hottest summers ever

Exactly. The plant where I work (not Amazon) does not have AC and we had days where the heat index was 110 - 115. All we could do is open all the overhead doors and hope for a little breeze. Of course, I work in the I.T. department and visited the server room after a trip into the plant. :D

I think having an air conditioned warehouse/plant would be on the rare side in the USA. It would be way too cost prohibitive.
 

nageov3t

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shitty warehouse jobs that require no skills beyond "able to lift +50 pounds" are shitty?

I'm shocked.
 

gorcorps

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LOL.. I'm sorry, but if it's so hot that working is going to make me pass out, I'd simply stop working and take a break. And if that's not acceptable, I'd walk out. Simple.

There's no way I'd work myself until I actually passed out, that's just silly.

Sounds like Amazon needs to invest in a couple of air conditioners.

IMO it's more about teaching people to recognize the dangers and symptoms of heat stroke. There's nothing illegal about working in a hot room, and properly hydrated with several 10 minute breaks sprinkled through the day would be fine. People just don't know how dangerous it is, and are dangerously dehydrated pretty quickly. Some people don't want to sweat all day which is fine, then they should quit just like you said. It's silly to complain and expect them to keep their entire shipping warehouse air conditioned.

People work out in the heat every day. Road crews, roofers, landscapers, etc. Lots of people elsewhere work indoors but in similar conditions. Do you think the floormen outside here in the steel mill expect the entire plant to be a cool 70°? No... fuck that. What is done though is provide water and such throughout the plant, and all heat stroke accidents are recorded and taken very seriously. Amazon doesn't need AC, they just need a proper safety program and to have water on site. Fountains, bottles, coolers, it doesn't matter. They shouldn't sweep this under the rug by any means because it's an issue, but air conditioning an entire warehouse is a terrible and incredibly inefficient idea.
 
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I would love to work for Amazon. As a software developer. I would hate to work anywhere where I'm a warehouse drone. So yeah, this doesn't surprise me.
 

Beev

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I have a hard time caring about these "poor" workers. If they had any marketable skills they would have a much better job. They fucked up their lives, they get to work in the 100 degree warehouse.

Now where's my stuff?
 

slag

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For you people advocating more air conditioners, clearly you have never worked in a warehouse, at least one that has high volume. I used to work at the Walmart DC in Ottawa, Ks. I started off working night shift and it was ok. Still hot, but not horrible. Unloading from the trailers was tolerable in 90+ degree weather because they stick a huge fan at the front of the truck that blows the nasty dusty crap all the way to the front of the trailer and keeps the airflow going.

I switched to days after 6 months and holy hell was it ever hot. We kept water bottles and coolers with gatorade nearby and constantly refilled them.

There's no AC in the warehouse. It would be impractical to AC a huge warehouse that has numerous open doors and gaps to the outside. Fans move the air around and its up to you to stay hydrated. In the winter time, we still wore shorts because all the machinery in the warehouse kept it warm enough.
 

Macamus Prime

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I have a hard time caring about these "poor" workers. If they had any marketable skills they would have a much better job. They fucked up their lives, they get to work in the 100 degree warehouse.

Now where's my stuff?

And, if American's weren't such lazy and demanding pricks, they wouldn't have to suffer by waiting for their stuff - instead, get in the car and drive to the closest Wal Mart for your industrial sized herpies application cream.
 

Beev

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And, if American's weren't such lazy and demanding pricks, they wouldn't have to suffer by waiting for their stuff - instead, get in the car and drive to the closest Wal Mart for your industrial sized herpies application cream.

Almost always cheaper online, free shipping, and I'm not in a rush.
 

IceBergSLiM

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And, if American's weren't such lazy and demanding pricks, they wouldn't have to suffer by waiting for their stuff - instead, get in the car and drive to the closest Wal Mart for your industrial sized herpies application cream.

Has nothing to do with herpies or laziness. It is completely inefficient use of my time to make a trip to walmart. Round trip driving it would be close to 15-20 minutes. Then i have to navigate teh parking lot and when I'm in the store I have to locate what I want through guess and check. Sort through items for the right size/color/feature. Avoid losing my mind from the trashy people I have to encounter. Then finally I have to watch the middle school educated cashier like a hawk to make sure they are ringing me up correctly. While I was inside shopping some crackhead smashed my car window and stole my gps. Now I'm out 200 bucks and i'm ready for murder.

Yeah its about being lazy......:rolleyes:o_O

Are flushing toilets about being lazy too? I mean I should really just dig a hole in the ground every time I gotta dump out....
 
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And, if American's weren't such lazy and demanding pricks, they wouldn't have to suffer by waiting for their stuff - instead, get in the car and drive to the closest Wal Mart for your industrial sized herpies application cream.
I thought you gross, smelly liberals were meant to hate Walmart?
 

Eli

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I've worked in a warehouse, so yes I understand. My A/C comment came from the fact that you can't really have your workers passing out, so something needs to be done.
 

shortylickens

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And, if American's weren't such lazy and demanding pricks, they wouldn't have to suffer by waiting for their stuff - instead, get in the car and drive to the closest Wal Mart for your industrial sized herpies application cream.

Walmart supports illegal aliens. Fuck wal mart. And fuck the NFL.
 

RagingBITCH

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I've worked in a warehouse, so yes I understand. My A/C comment came from the fact that you can't really have your workers passing out, so something needs to be done.

Nothing to do with A/C. It's called setting up fans, mandatory water breaks, not running your employees into the ground like Nazis.