Where's God when this is happenning?

[icejunkie]

God doesn't control you. There's too many of us to control. Go watch Bruce Almighty or something and you will understand...

 

[DougK62]

Boooooo - I was hoping for an interesting thread about the topic and not another religious discussion.

Oh well, I'll just throw in the ol' tried and true "If god has a plan for us, then how do we have free will?"

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: KidViciou$
Child Abuse


Somebody at that site posted that the parent's suspected the nanny of beating their child so they set up this cam. the lawyer for the nanny tried to give the defense that the video is inadmissable because she didn't know she was being recorded, but since it was in the house of the parents and not in a private area such as the bedroom or bathroom it is admissable. they also said she got 15 - 20 years. i don't think that's enough

God does not control free will.

 

[PeteRoy]

The worse thing is that many parents do much worse than this to their kids and nobody knows because parents won't video themselves doing it.

 

[KidViciou$]

Originally posted by: element
Have you ever heard the phrase "You can't heal what you can't feel?"

God must allow humans complete free will in order to fix what is wrong. You might have the completely nonsensical concept that god can just snap his fingers and make anything happen instantaneously, but that is based on concepts developed by humans 2000 years ago that could barely find their hand in front of their face in a well lit room much less know where they came from or what they are doing here.

i don't get it, your chastizing the concept of god being able to fix all because it's so old, but yet you have no problems being christian? when did this transition from god having a hand in our lives change to god being a hand's off manager? why isn't the god not having a hand in our lives the wrong idea?

 

[KidViciou$]

Originally posted by: Ausm

Originally posted by: KidViciou$
wtf doesn't god have to do with this??? let me 'preach' to you

what sort of god would allow this child to experience such pain? is that a god that loves his "children"? why did he not just smite that women the moment she raised her fist at the baby???

Are you naive enough to think this is the worst thing that is happening in this world? Granted child abuse is a very very bad thing but it is only the tip to the iceberg. You must have alot of faith to believe in God because he sure is doing a lowsy job if he is trying to promote a peaceful society.

Ausm

i'm not stupid, i know that this is not the worst thing in the world. but it's something that i saw that was really bad so i'm trying to break the ignorance people have about bad stuff that goes on. it's much easier to know bad stuff goes on when you can't see it. this is just 1 example

 

[KidViciou$]

Originally posted by: datalink7
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? ? Epicurus

Appears to be along your line of thinking?

The answer is simple really. To take away free will would be a greater evil.

free will is intent. god should have known her intentions and stopped her, thus preserving her freewill while saving the baby

 

[tami]

that's awful...

 

[KidViciou$]

Originally posted by: DougK62
Boooooo - I was hoping for an interesting thread about the topic and not another religious discussion.

Oh well, I'll just throw in the ol' tried and true "If god has a plan for us, then how do we have free will?"

by all means discuss the topic. but i think we're pretty much all in consensus that the nanny needs to be disembowled, aside from the few anomalies in this thread

 

[Vic]

Troll.

(Presupposing the existence of Almighty God), if God took away your free will and did not allow any form of evil on earth, people like you would complain about what an unfair tyrant he is.

Anyway, this troll thread has been answered:
1. God allowed people to invent the camera that caught the evildoer.
2. Were God to revoke free will, it would be a greater evil, and one for which He would be to blame. You make the mistake in thinking all this evil in the world is God's fault. An extremely immature line of thinking IMO. Whether God exists or not, it is our fault.

 

[KidViciou$]

what qualifies being a troll? asking provoking and "edgy" questions???

 

[Sqube]

Originally posted by: KidViciou$
what qualifies being a troll? asking provoking and "edgy" questions???

Your inclusion of God is neither edgy nor provoking. It's trite, at best.

Your question, in a nutshell, is "Why does God let bad stuff happen?"

If you truly think that is edgy or provoking in any way, you need to get out more. God let's bad stuff happen for the same reason God lets good stuff happen: God doesn't get involved.

 

[KC5AV]

Nowhere in the Bible are we promised that life will be a bed of roses. Look at the way Jesus died. Look at the way his followers were treated. They were thrown to hungry lions, and set on fire to serve as lamps for the parties that Nero through. The world is a bad place, and will only continue to get worse until the end. You can take a literal or figurative look at the Book or Revelation, but things are going to get worse. God doesn't promise that life will be all peaches and cream. In fact, it's just the opposite. Those who believe are promised that at the end of time they will live forever in a better place. Hope that helps a little.

 

[KidViciou$]

Originally posted by: Sqube

Originally posted by: KidViciou$
what qualifies being a troll? asking provoking and "edgy" questions???

Your inclusion of God is neither edgy nor provoking. It's trite, at best.

Your question, in a nutshell, is "Why does God let bad stuff happen?"

If you truly think that is edgy or provoking in any way, you need to get out more. God let's bad stuff happen for the same reason God lets good stuff happen: God doesn't get involved.

i still don't know what qualifies as being a troll. i suggested those reasons because it looked like i thoroughly offended those people

 

[KidViciou$]

Originally posted by: KC5AV
Nowhere in the Bible are we promised that life will be a bed of roses. Look at the way Jesus died. Look at the way his followers were treated. They were thrown to hungry lions, and set on fire to serve as lamps for the parties that Nero through. The world is a bad place, and will only continue to get worse until the end. You can take a literal or figurative look at the Book or Revelation, but things are going to get worse. God doesn't promise that life will be all peaches and cream. In fact, it's just the opposite. Those who believe are promised that at the end of time they will live forever in a better place. Hope that helps a little.

but do you see how others view that as an illusory promise?

 

[KC5AV]

Originally posted by: KidViciou$
but do you see how others view that as an illusory promise?

I can certainly see where they might, but at some point, faith has to enter the equation. You have to believe that there is a God, and that he does want what is best for his creation.

 

[KidViciou$]

well what about if we live a life without regard to if a god exists. that means that if there is no god, no loss, but if there is a god, then one will believe in that god, but until that point, their life will be lived the same, of kindness, piety, and general good will to others?

 

[RiDE]

This thread sucks.

You are a troll because you know a proper discussion involving religion in this forum is impossible.

 

[WiseOldDude]

Originally posted by: KidViciou$
wtf doesn't god have to do with this??? let me 'preach' to you

what sort of god would allow this child to experience such pain? is that a god that loves his "children"? why did he not just smite that women the moment she raised her fist at the baby???

An imaginary god! Usefull only for making people kill and give money (lots of it) in his name.

 

[WiseOldDude]

Originally posted by: SuperTool
How come there is russian tv in the background?

That shows that this happened in the NE where all the russian immigrants settled, not in the south where all the mexicans settled

 

[KidViciou$]

Originally posted by: RiDE
This thread sucks.

You are a troll because you know a proper discussion involving religion in this forum is impossible.

so if i were to post a thread about where the simpsons were located, i would be a troll? or which comic super hero is hte best, i'm a troll?

 

[dfinder]

What I believe is that God is simply a Supernatural Power created by human to keep the discipline, but in case if he/her doesnt take that seriously then there is no real meaning in God. As far as trials and punishments are considered, not much is going to change as far as people dont really realise from their heart.... That was really awful....

 

[toekramp]

probably neffing

 

[Baked]

In the backgroud taping it w/ his unlimited hours MiniDV?

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

Originally posted by: KidViciou$
wtf doesn't god have to do with this??? let me 'preach' to you

what sort of god would allow this child to experience such pain? is that a god that loves his "children"? why did he not just smite that women the moment she raised her fist at the baby???

:roll:

Troll.