Where's global warming when you need it?

[Random Variable]

<a target=new class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://news.independent.co.uk/world/asia_china/story.jsp?story=368114">An estimated 1,000 people have died in South Asia in the past month during a cold snap that saw temperatures stay above freezing but prove too harsh for the homeless.

Cold weather across northern India, Bangladesh and Nepal has claimed a daily average of two dozen lives, mostly the elderly and children living on the streets.

A region that is more accustomed to extreme heat is running up a winter death toll comparable with that of Russia, where hundreds have died this winter in a ferocious cold spell that saw temperatures of minus 37C in Moscow.</a>

 

[nord1899]

Sheesh, everyone thinks global warming means that all across the Earth it will be getting warmer. In fact, it just means that more freakish weather like this will occur. The warming of small parts of the planet change the weather systems causing other places to change.

 

[glenn1]

I'm sure that the flaming which the tree huggers will unleash on you will certainly make things a bit more tepid in here at least.

 

[Random Variable]

Originally posted by: glenn1
I'm sure that the flaming which the tree huggers will unleash on you will certainly make things a bit more tepid in here at least.

I'm an anomaly. I consider myself to be an environmentalist (I spend free time working at a prairie reserve near where I live, for god sakes) but I view the science behind global warming as utterly flawed.

 

[WinkOsmosis]

Originally posted by: nord1899
Sheesh, everyone thinks global warming means that all across the Earth it will be getting warmer. In fact, it just means that more freakish weather like this will occur. The warming of small parts of the planet change the weather systems causing other places to change.

Exactly. Remember El Nino?

 

[Zugzwang152]

Originally posted by: glenn1
I'm sure that the flaming which the tree huggers will unleash on you will certainly make things a bit more tepid in here at least.

didnt you read the political thread? this forum has twice the republicans as democrats

 

[BillGates]

I could use some global warming in suck Wisconsin right about now... 7 degrees, -4 with the windchill. Not exactly honeymoon weather!

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: Vespasian
<a target=new class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://news.independent.co.uk/world/asia_china/story.jsp?story=368114">An estimated 1,000 people have died in South Asia in the past month during a cold snap that saw temperatures stay above freezing but prove too harsh for the homeless.

Cold weather across northern India, Bangladesh and Nepal has claimed a daily average of two dozen lives, mostly the elderly and children living on the streets.

A region that is more accustomed to extreme heat is running up a winter death toll comparable with that of Russia, where hundreds have died this winter in a ferocious cold spell that saw temperatures of minus 37C in Moscow.</a>

The Earth dooing its own Population controll?

 

[Random Variable]

Originally posted by: nord1899
Sheesh, everyone thinks global warming means that all across the Earth it will be getting warmer. In fact, it just means that more freakish weather like this will occur. The warming of small parts of the planet change the weather systems causing other places to change.

The next time there is a major heat wave somewhere on this planet, don't you dare use that as evidence that the earth is warming due to human intervention.

And this notion that "freakish" weather is somehow a new phenomenon is risible.

 

[nord1899]

Originally posted by: Vespasian

Originally posted by: nord1899
Sheesh, everyone thinks global warming means that all across the Earth it will be getting warmer. In fact, it just means that more freakish weather like this will occur. The warming of small parts of the planet change the weather systems causing other places to change.

The next time there is a major heat wave somewhere on this planet, don't you dare use that as evidence that the earth is warming due to human intervention.

And this notion that "freakish" weather is somehow a new phenomenon is risible.

When did I ever claim that a heat wave was due to humans? And maybe freakish is a wrong word since we don't even have 150 years worth of accurate data to go on (we have more based on evidence, but only so much written history). But based on our short history, these events are freakish.

 

[Random Variable]

Originally posted by: nord1899

Originally posted by: Vespasian

Originally posted by: nord1899
Sheesh, everyone thinks global warming means that all across the Earth it will be getting warmer. In fact, it just means that more freakish weather like this will occur. The warming of small parts of the planet change the weather systems causing other places to change.

The next time there is a major heat wave somewhere on this planet, don't you dare use that as evidence that the earth is warming due to human intervention.

And this notion that "freakish" weather is somehow a new phenomenon is risible.

When did I ever claim that a heat wave was due to humans? And maybe freakish is a wrong word since we don't even have 150 years worth of accurate data to go on (we have more based on evidence, but only so much written history). But based on our short history, these events are freakish.

I really meant "you" in the plural sense. I don't how many times I heard people over the summer try to use a few days of hot weather as evidence to support global warming.

And what's happening now that has not happened many times over the past 150 years?

 

[HappyPuppy]

What caused glaciers to migrate from the arctic clear down to the great plains of what is now the U.S.? Sure as hell wasn't humans.

What caused those glaciers to melt? Again, wasn't humans.

El Nino is a cyclic event. When it isn't present La Nina is. Not the fault of humans.

 

[Random Variable]

And when we switch over to hydrogen-fueled cars, what good will that do? Is not water vapor the number one greenhouse gas?

 

[Colt45]

Originally posted by: Vespasian
And when we switch over to hydrogen-fueled cars, what good will that do? Is not water vapor the number one greenhouse gas?

ROTFL. you can't be serious can you?
hahahaha

 

[Sundog]

Originally posted by: Colt45

Originally posted by: Vespasian
And when we switch over to hydrogen-fueled cars, what good will that do? Is not water vapor the number one greenhouse gas?

ROTFL. you can't be serious can you?
hahahaha

Hahaha.....you had better not be serious, that would be just plain sad...

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
What caused glaciers to migrate from the arctic clear down to the great plains of what is now the U.S.? Sure as hell wasn't humans.

What caused those glaciers to melt? Again, wasn't humans.

El Nino is a cyclic event. When it isn't present La Nina is. Not the fault of humans.

No. El Nino is unsually warm water in the Pacific and La Nina is unsually cold water in the Pacific. La Nina occurs after some El Nino time periods but not all.

El Nino


La Nina


Good explaination here as well.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Vespasian
And when we switch over to hydrogen-fueled cars, what good will that do? Is not water vapor the number one greenhouse gas?

Number 1 Greenhouse gas is CO2(carbon dioxide) followed by CH4(methane).

 

[Random Variable]

Originally posted by: Colt45

Originally posted by: Vespasian
And when we switch over to hydrogen-fueled cars, what good will that do? Is not water vapor the number one greenhouse gas?

ROTFL. you can't be serious can you?
hahahaha

What's so funny? Yeah, they won't release sulfur dioxide and nitrogen oxides into the atmosphere (which is a good thing).

And if you're laughing at me because you think water vapor is not a major greenhouse gas, the jokes on you.

 

[Ladies Man]

actually i believe water vapor is #1

humidity and cloud cover hold in heat when they are there... and of course let heat escape when they are not present
taking meteorology as an elective might have taught me something

 

[Random Variable]

Water vapor is the primary greenhouse gas in the atmosphere.

http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/paleo/ctl/about.html

 

[Ladies Man]

so sweet to be right

good thing i can keep my 15mpg small car

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Vespasian

Water vapor is the primary greenhouse gas in the atmosphere.

http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/paleo/ctl/about.html

Yep your right. I thought we were talking about human created greenhouse gases not naturally occuring ones. Water Vapor varies from 0-2 % of the atmosphere and cannot be man made whereas CO2 and CH4 can be man made and both have increased radically since they first started being monitored.

If you mean overall i.e. that occurs then yes Water Vapor is correct. If you mean which two manmade that cause problems then C02 and CH4 are the answers. I thought you were talking about Global Warming and not nature. Which is it?

 

[Random Variable]

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: Vespasian

Water vapor is the primary greenhouse gas in the atmosphere.

http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/paleo/ctl/about.html

Yep your right. I thought we were talking about human created greenhouse gases not naturally occuring ones. Water Vapor varies from 0-2 % of the atmosphere and cannot be man made whereas CO2 and CH4 can be man made and both have increased radically since they first started being monitored.

If you mean overall i.e. that occurs then yes Water Vapor is correct. If you mean which two manmade that cause problems then C02 and CH4 are the answers. I thought you were talking about Global Warming and not nature. Which is it?

If we start expelling significantly more water vapor into the atmosphere, will that not have the same effect as expelling carbon dioxide?

And what do you mean by "man-made?" Can not man combine hydrogen with oxygen? And when you burn a fossil fuel, water vapor is one of the byproducts.

 

[Colt45]

hydrogen car spewing out water is no different than the ocean evaporating, or your piss evaporating.

 

[Czar]

the warming is all here in iceland, that is untill yesterday, first snow of the winter. Flowers have started to bloom, eggs have hatched and the grass was getting green again. Warmest Desember in history.