Originally posted by: destrekor
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
This shit has been debunked so many times it is ridiculous. Why do fools keep stoking a non-existent fire?
uh.... eh?
It hasn't been debunked anymore than it's been proven.
It's simply ancient lore that is steadily creeping toward the end-date.
Nobody knows what's going to happen, and the historical evidence has no claims.
The only facts about the end of the Mayan Calendar are as follows, plus maybe some I forgot or aren't entirely important for this specific discussion:
- The Mayans established the Baktun's to reference the lining up of the heavens.
- The last Baktun they wrote in the calendar happens to end on the Winter Solstice of 2012. Again, their prediction, specifically with their limited knowledge of astronomy and only what they saw in the night sky, was that on that date in 2012, the heavens would line up once again.
- Astronomers have concluded that the "heavens" the Mayans referenced will actually be pretty damn close to lined up.
- Mayan prophecy spoke of a great change to occur in the future. That the world would change.
The last one is a little iffy, because research everywhere points to different conclusions and different takes as to what was meant.
IIRC, it may not even have been specifically linked to the calendar. Not one piece of evidence suggests the Mayans created the calendar, and on the last day, the Winter Solstice of the Gregorian year 2012, circled it and wrote "WORLD ENDS THIS DAY!!!!".
On the contrary. The Mayans, again iirc, had the calendar established, but elsewhere wrote as prophecy that the world would enter a period of great change. If I'm remembering my research right, this period of great change would come at a time when the heavens were lined up.
My take, the Mayans deeply believed the world would enter a period of significant change during one of the changes between the Baktuns. They probably wrote only so many Baktuns because they felt that the Change would come during one of the multiple Baktun changes they wrote, and not after, or possibly believed it would occur on the last one. Not entirely sure, no is anyone else.
Most of the details require a leap of faith that the specific prophecy has any relation to the calendar. And then, that it involves 2012.
Remember, the true details the Mayans left behind, haven't suggested we will all perish in 2012. We might. Aliens might send nukes our way. Who knows. But change could occur.
Hell, Obama might bring us CHANGE in December of 2012.
A solar storm could wipe out our electrical grids and we come out of the disaster, as a global civilization, different than before it occurred.
But definitely, nothing has been debunked, because simply, there is nothing to debunk. You can't debunk the idea the Mayans essentially established an end date in their calendar, because well... there are dates... and oops, no more dates. Thus, end date.
It is confirmed that from the time they established the calendar, and mapped over the Gregorian calendar, it ends on December 21, 2012.
It is confirmed the Mayans had prophecies.
Prophecy cannot be debunked until the circumstances surrounding the prophecy have come and went with the end result of the prophecy never surfacing. In short, the Mayan prophecy of the world changing, and with a leap the world changing in 2012, cannot be debunked until 2012 has essentially came and went.
BUT... like their heavens not entirely lining up, the original calculations and prophecy might have been a little off target. Thus... we should wait a few years before we jump to any conclusions that we're out of harms way.
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