Where there's smoke . . .

[Fear No Evil]

Nah, they'll probably feature doctors, engineers, DBA's, and lawyers. I know a fair amount of all of the above and most of them toke up.

Hell, most of the people I know, 30 and under, toke up. And most of them are really successful in their careers.

I bet a lot of those same people smoke cigarettes as well. Well, our Dear Leader Barack Hussein Obama smokes. Perhaps we could put a picture of him on the cigs?

 

[BoberFett]

It should show a guy who can't find his phone. I know a lot of stoners in stable jobs but they all seem to have problems with losing things. My one friends will lose his phone in my car several times in the same night. Then he'll ask if I have a lighter because he can't find his.

Shit, I can lose things walking from room to room. I can take something to drink out of the fridge, set it down, walk into the living room and then I can't remember where my glass went. Maybe I should start smoking pot and see if it improves my memory.

 

[bfdd]

Nah, they'll probably feature doctors, engineers, DBA's, and lawyers. I know a fair amount of all of the above and most of them toke up.

Hell, most of the people I know, 30 and under, toke up. And most of them are really successful in their careers.

One of my good friends, is a 41 year old professional DBA with 15+ years of experience, good family man, does great for himself. He tokes up, we've even smoked together. No different really than going and grabbing a beer after work.

 

[sandorski]

I used to smoke Marlboro reds, 2 packs a day. Switched to Wildhorse for the last few months before quitting because I could get them cheap by the carton. As it turned out, e-cig vapor is much tastier than cig smoke and lacks the carcinogens. I haven't wanted a cig since day 1 of switching.

Half pack a day isn't too bad at all BTW. I doubt I could ever have gotten down that low.

- wolf

I was going to get an E-Cig setup last year, then they went and banned them up here. Might have to try the Patch again....even if I only last a week at least I'll get a break and the First Ciggy is quite pleasant after that time without.

 

[woolfe9999]

I was going to get an E-Cig setup last year, then they went and banned them up here. Might have to try the Patch again....even if I only last a week at least I'll get a break and the First Ciggy is quite pleasant after that time without.

They don't sell them in stores there anymore, but I think you can still order them online from Europe or the U.S. There are some Canadians on the ecig forum who seem to have them.

Edit: Yeah I checked, and indeed there are many Canadians and they are all getting their stuff online.

- wolf

 

[sandorski]

They don't sell them in stores there anymore, but I think you can still order them online from Europe or the U.S. There are some Canadians on the ecig forum who seem to have them.

Edit: Yeah I checked, and indeed there are many Canadians and they are all getting their stuff online.

- wolf

Hmm, might check into it.

 

[woolfe9999]

Hmm, might check into it.

If you do, shoot me a PM first. There are some things that are very useful to know before you make a purchase. E-cigs are techy devices, very moddable and something you have to fiddle with to get good results. You definitely want good hardware and good juice. The better the vaping experience, the easier it is to stay off cigs.

- wolf

 

[werepossum]

I was going to get an E-Cig setup last year, then they went and banned them up here. Might have to try the Patch again....even if I only last a week at least I'll get a break and the First Ciggy is quite pleasant after that time without.

If you do, shoot me a PM first. There are some things that are very useful to know before you make a purchase. E-cigs are techy devices, very moddable and something you have to fiddle with to get good results. You definitely want good hardware and good juice. The better the vaping experience, the easier it is to stay off cigs.

- wolf

You guys are getting perilously close to rejecting Government's G-d-given right to control every aspect of your lives. Heresy! Next you'll be demanding toys in your kid's meals again.

Joking, I like you both.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Its not that I mind someone having to pay extra for stuff like that, but they either need to keep it equal, or get rid of it. I dont see them overtaxing fatties (which kills WAY more people that cancer sticks). Although, they sure are trying here in the US

that is such a stoopid idiotic statement!!
You have no proof to back up that crock of shizza....

That comment is moronic and idiotic and goes way back to when people were trying to justify their right to smoke!!

 

[sandorski]

that is such a stoopid idiotic statement!!
You have no proof to back up that crock of shizza....

That comment is moronic and idiotic and goes way back to when people were trying to justify their right to smoke!!

I'm not sure if there is a really good study on the HealthCare costs of either issue, but things like Diabetes have skyrocketed and are very expensive to treat as well as increasingly occurring at Younger ages then ever before. I really doubt that his statement is far off from the truth of the matter.

 

[Fear No Evil]

I'm not sure if there is a really good study on the HealthCare costs of either issue, but things like Diabetes have skyrocketed and are very expensive to treat as well as increasingly occurring at Younger ages then ever before. I really doubt that his statement is far off from the truth of the matter.

My body my choice! Oh wait, that only applies if I want to scrape a baby out of my uterus.. But I don't have a uterus, so I guess that means I don't get a choice.

 

[ShawnD1]

Shit, I can lose things walking from room to room. I can take something to drink out of the fridge, set it down, walk into the living room and then I can't remember where my glass went. Maybe I should start smoking pot and see if it improves my memory.

I think someone else beat you to this idea.

homeopathy

Homeopathy (also spelled homoeopathy or homœopathy) is a form of alternative medicine, first proposed by German physician Samuel Hahnemann in 1796, that attempts to treat patients with heavily diluted preparations. Based on an ipse dixit[1] axiom[2] formulated by Hahnemann which he called the "law of similars", preparations which cause certain symptoms in healthy individuals are given as the treatment for patients exhibiting similar symptoms.

:hmm:

My body my choice! Oh wait, that only applies if I want to scrape a baby out of my uterus.. But I don't have a uterus, so I guess that means I don't get a choice.

We need a male version of abortion, but it doesn't involve anyone dying. It would just be a piece of paper saying you're not the parent of this child, have no financial ties to this child, and have no parental rights over this child. I guess that would be a lot more like the male version of putting a baby up for adoption, but I like saying and writing the word abortion.

 

[William Gaatjes]

They do it because words don't really mean anything if you don't understand the words. I still don't really understand what cancer is or why it's bad. Wikipedia says cancer is when cells grow at an uncontrolled rate. Why is that bad? A small picture gives a much better understanding of what the long term use of this product does. Even if you don't know what cancer is, you look at the picture and know this is really bad.

Also, you're right about nicotine. I heard it caused cancer but that's likely a misinterpretation of something that person read. Here is what wikipedia says:

Interesting. So it indirectly contributes to cancer but does not cause it (theoretically).

That could have been me in the posts about drugs and you are right.
It is not nicotine itself that is a carcinogen. However, the heart is not all to happy with large amounts of nicotine in the body because of the effects of nicotine on the arteries and cholesterol levels. Nicotine is a natural defense chemical from the tobacco plant and in relatively large amounts it is a poison that can kill you.
The cause of cancer :
There are products of the burning of tobacco that can cause a mutation in the p53 gene. This gene is used in damage control and repair of cells where the dna is damaged. P53 itself is not involved in reparing dna but it stops the cells internal execution to provide a means for dna error correction. If the damage cannot be repaired, this gene is part of the cycle where the cell self destructs. This coordinated self destruction is called apoptosis.
There is some research that suggests that nicotine prevents the self destruction of cells.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine#Toxicology
From the link :

The carcinogenic properties of nicotine in standalone form, separate from tobacco smoke, have not been evaluated by the IARC, and it has not been assigned to an official carcinogen group. The currently available literature indicates that nicotine, on its own, does not promote the development of cancer in healthy tissue and has no mutagenic properties. However, nicotine and the increased cholinergic activity it causes have been shown to impede apoptosis, which is one of the methods by which the body destroys unwanted cells (programmed cell death). Since apoptosis helps to remove mutated or damaged cells that may eventually become cancerous, the inhibitory actions of nicotine may create a more favourable environment for cancer to develop, though this also remains to be proven.[

It looks like a 1-2 punch. The carcinogen causes damage to the p53 gene. And the nicotine if the research is correct seems to interfere with the function of apoptosis in general. Both ways prevent a malignant cell to self destruct.

Here is a lot to be find on the p53 gene. The poster known as Gibsons has
very much valuable information about it.
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=330409&highlight=virus


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benzopyrene
From the link :

It can be found in coal tar (after forest fire), after eruption of volcanoes and in cigarette smoke. Evidence exists to link benzopyrene to the formation of lung cancer.

 

[bfdd]

I think someone else beat you to this idea.

homeopathy

:hmm:


We need a male version of abortion, but it doesn't involve anyone dying. It would just be a piece of paper saying you're not the parent of this child, have no financial ties to this child, and have no parental rights over this child. I guess that would be a lot more like the male version of putting a baby up for adoption, but I like saying and writing the word abortion.

That pisses me off so much that we have no choice in the matter.

 

[Jaskalas]

Interesting development in the fight against letting people kill themselves slowly.