Where is the ACLU?

[imported_Shivetya]

Come September, an Arabic-language public secondary school is slated to open its doors in Brooklyn. The New York City Department of Education says the Khalil Gibran International Academy, serving grades six through 12, will boast a "multicultural curriculum and intensive Arabic language instruction."


Read the article, your tax dollars will fund a school which is Arabic language oriented by people who aren't exactly friendly to the same people paying taxes.

 

[K1052]

I'm sure they will be taking a look at this.

 

[Bowfinger]

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Teaching in Arabic doesn't make this a Muslim school per se, any more than teaching in Italian or Spanish would make it a Catholic school.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: DonVito
Teaching in Arabic doesn't make this a Muslim school per se, any more than teaching in Italian or Spanish would make it a Catholic school.

Yeah,
though if they start to bundle some islamic crap with it, they'll get sued from every-which way

in case someone decides to spew some more ACLU garbage
The fact that aclu stops fundies from having 10 commandments in public school doesn't make it anti christian...

 

[jonks]

I can't believe this school will be opening. Check out the prinicpal-to-be's thoughts on 9/11:

"I don't recognize the people who committed the attacks as either Arabs or Muslims." Instead, she blames September 11 on Washington's foreign policies, saying they "can have been triggered by the way the USA breaks its promises with countries across the world, especially in the Middle East, and the fact that it has not been a fair mediator."

I live in NY and pay ridiculous NY taxes. I don't want to fund a NY school run by someone who feels that 9/11 wasn't carried out by Muslims. That's objective fact. They were sicko extremist Muslims, but that doesn't make them non-Muslims. I don't recognize the principal's right to excommunicate Muslims based on her analysis of their beliefs. I'm willing to talk about how US policies may have led to resentment in the Middle East, but those who take murderous actions are responsible for those actions. When my neighbor plays his music too loud, I don't get to crash a car into his house and then talk about how his policy of loud music playing was the cause of my actions.

This article is from April...how the hell did this thing get so far without a ruccus in local papers and news picking up the story? This is the first I've heard of it. How scary is it that I'd consider sending this story to O'Reilly to focus some attention on it. Shiver.

(Check my other posts before calling my a neocon, I'm generally liberal for chrissake.)

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: sirjonk
I can't believe this school will be opening. Check out the prinicpal-to-be's thoughts on 9/11:

"I don't recognize the people who committed the attacks as either Arabs or Muslims." Instead, she blames September 11 on Washington's foreign policies, saying they "can have been triggered by the way the USA breaks its promises with countries across the world, especially in the Middle East, and the fact that it has not been a fair mediator."

I live in NY and pay ridiculous NY taxes. I don't want to fund a NY school run by someone who feels that 9/11 wasn't carried out by Muslims. That's objective fact. They were sicko extremist Muslims, but that doesn't make them non-Muslims. I don't recognize the principal's right to excommunicate Muslims based on her analysis of their beliefs. I'm willing to talk about how US policies may have led to resentment in the Middle East, but those who take murderous actions are responsible for those actions. When my neighbor plays his music too loud, I don't get to crash a car into his house and then talk about how his policy of loud music playing was the cause of my actions.

This article is from April...how the hell did this thing get so far without a ruccus in local papers and news picking up the story? This is the first I've heard of it. How scary is it that I'd consider sending this story to O'Reilly to focus some attention on it. Shiver.

(Check my other posts before calling my a neocon, I'm generally liberal for chrissake.)

You are not very tolerant.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: sirjonk
I can't believe this school will be opening. Check out the prinicpal-to-be's thoughts on 9/11:

"I don't recognize the people who committed the attacks as either Arabs or Muslims." Instead, she blames September 11 on Washington's foreign policies, saying they "can have been triggered by the way the USA breaks its promises with countries across the world, especially in the Middle East, and the fact that it has not been a fair mediator."

I live in NY and pay ridiculous NY taxes. I don't want to fund a NY school run by someone who feels that 9/11 wasn't carried out by Muslims. That's objective fact. They were sicko extremist Muslims, but that doesn't make them non-Muslims. I don't recognize the principal's right to excommunicate Muslims based on her analysis of their beliefs. I'm willing to talk about how US policies may have led to resentment in the Middle East, but those who take murderous actions are responsible for those actions. When my neighbor plays his music too loud, I don't get to crash a car into his house and then talk about how his policy of loud music playing was the cause of my actions.

This article is from April...how the hell did this thing get so far without a ruccus in local papers and news picking up the story? This is the first I've heard of it. How scary is it that I'd consider sending this story to O'Reilly to focus some attention on it. Shiver.

(Check my other posts before calling my a neocon, I'm generally liberal for chrissake.)

I think what she's saying is that those people weren't real Muslims - the way one of my coworkers explain it, it's forbidden in koran to kill yourself. It's the same way I wouldn't consider abortion clinic bombers "Christians".

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: sirjonk
I can't believe this school will be opening. Check out the prinicpal-to-be's thoughts on 9/11:

"I don't recognize the people who committed the attacks as either Arabs or Muslims." Instead, she blames September 11 on Washington's foreign policies, saying they "can have been triggered by the way the USA breaks its promises with countries across the world, especially in the Middle East, and the fact that it has not been a fair mediator."

I live in NY and pay ridiculous NY taxes. I don't want to fund a NY school run by someone who feels that 9/11 wasn't carried out by Muslims. That's objective fact. They were sicko extremist Muslims, but that doesn't make them non-Muslims. I don't recognize the principal's right to excommunicate Muslims based on her analysis of their beliefs. I'm willing to talk about how US policies may have led to resentment in the Middle East, but those who take murderous actions are responsible for those actions. When my neighbor plays his music too loud, I don't get to crash a car into his house and then talk about how his policy of loud music playing was the cause of my actions.

This article is from April...how the hell did this thing get so far without a ruccus in local papers and news picking up the story? This is the first I've heard of it. How scary is it that I'd consider sending this story to O'Reilly to focus some attention on it. Shiver.

(Check my other posts before calling my a neocon, I'm generally liberal for chrissake.)

I think what she's saying is that those people weren't real Muslims - the way one of my coworkers explain it, it's forbidden in koran to kill yourself. It's the same way I wouldn't consider abortion clinic bombers "Christians".

What about anyone who gets or performs an abortion? Can't be Christian? There's a big difference between saying some particular act doesn't represent the general practices of particular religion and classifying someone who performs the act as not part of the religion. I suppose since I eat bacon and sausage I'm not Jewish. Or is it the size and number of of the sins that matters? According to your philosophy, no murderer could be considered a Christian. But what about lesser sins? What sins can you commit and still be considered a practicianer of a particular faith? But we may be vering off topic and this might belong in a new thread.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: sirjonk
I can't believe this school will be opening. Check out the prinicpal-to-be's thoughts on 9/11:

"I don't recognize the people who committed the attacks as either Arabs or Muslims." Instead, she blames September 11 on Washington's foreign policies, saying they "can have been triggered by the way the USA breaks its promises with countries across the world, especially in the Middle East, and the fact that it has not been a fair mediator."

I live in NY and pay ridiculous NY taxes. I don't want to fund a NY school run by someone who feels that 9/11 wasn't carried out by Muslims. That's objective fact. They were sicko extremist Muslims, but that doesn't make them non-Muslims. I don't recognize the principal's right to excommunicate Muslims based on her analysis of their beliefs. I'm willing to talk about how US policies may have led to resentment in the Middle East, but those who take murderous actions are responsible for those actions. When my neighbor plays his music too loud, I don't get to crash a car into his house and then talk about how his policy of loud music playing was the cause of my actions.

This article is from April...how the hell did this thing get so far without a ruccus in local papers and news picking up the story? This is the first I've heard of it. How scary is it that I'd consider sending this story to O'Reilly to focus some attention on it. Shiver.

(Check my other posts before calling my a neocon, I'm generally liberal for chrissake.)

You are not very tolerant.

I disagree. They want to open a private school that teaches this stuff, go ahead. It's the funding that I have a problem with. Just like I have no problem with parochial private schools. I just don't think the government, or me, should fund them. The Quran says that those who blaspheme should be put to death. I'm more tolerant than that I suppose.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: sirjonk
I can't believe this school will be opening. Check out the prinicpal-to-be's thoughts on 9/11:

"I don't recognize the people who committed the attacks as either Arabs or Muslims." Instead, she blames September 11 on Washington's foreign policies, saying they "can have been triggered by the way the USA breaks its promises with countries across the world, especially in the Middle East, and the fact that it has not been a fair mediator."

I live in NY and pay ridiculous NY taxes. I don't want to fund a NY school run by someone who feels that 9/11 wasn't carried out by Muslims. That's objective fact. They were sicko extremist Muslims, but that doesn't make them non-Muslims. I don't recognize the principal's right to excommunicate Muslims based on her analysis of their beliefs. I'm willing to talk about how US policies may have led to resentment in the Middle East, but those who take murderous actions are responsible for those actions. When my neighbor plays his music too loud, I don't get to crash a car into his house and then talk about how his policy of loud music playing was the cause of my actions.

This article is from April...how the hell did this thing get so far without a ruccus in local papers and news picking up the story? This is the first I've heard of it. How scary is it that I'd consider sending this story to O'Reilly to focus some attention on it. Shiver.

(Check my other posts before calling my a neocon, I'm generally liberal for chrissake.)

I think what she's saying is that those people weren't real Muslims - the way one of my coworkers explain it, it's forbidden in koran to kill yourself. It's the same way I wouldn't consider abortion clinic bombers "Christians".

What about anyone who gets or performs an abortion? Can't be Christian? There's a big difference between saying some particular act doesn't represent the general practices of particular religion and classifying someone who performs the act as not part of the religion. I suppose since I eat bacon and sausage I'm not Jewish. Or is it the size and number of of the sins that matters? According to your philosophy, no murderer could be considered a Christian. But what about lesser sins? What sins can you commit and still be considered a practicianer of a particular faith? But we may be vering off topic and this might belong in a new thread.

I'm not saying it's a bulletproof arugment, I'm trying to cast some light into what she's likely to be saying. I do think she has a valid point about the US foreign policy (I suppose for the masses 'they hate our freedum' would suffice) causing 911 though.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: sirjonk
I can't believe this school will be opening. Check out the prinicpal-to-be's thoughts on 9/11:

"I don't recognize the people who committed the attacks as either Arabs or Muslims." Instead, she blames September 11 on Washington's foreign policies, saying they "can have been triggered by the way the USA breaks its promises with countries across the world, especially in the Middle East, and the fact that it has not been a fair mediator."

I live in NY and pay ridiculous NY taxes. I don't want to fund a NY school run by someone who feels that 9/11 wasn't carried out by Muslims. That's objective fact. They were sicko extremist Muslims, but that doesn't make them non-Muslims. I don't recognize the principal's right to excommunicate Muslims based on her analysis of their beliefs. I'm willing to talk about how US policies may have led to resentment in the Middle East, but those who take murderous actions are responsible for those actions. When my neighbor plays his music too loud, I don't get to crash a car into his house and then talk about how his policy of loud music playing was the cause of my actions.

This article is from April...how the hell did this thing get so far without a ruccus in local papers and news picking up the story? This is the first I've heard of it. How scary is it that I'd consider sending this story to O'Reilly to focus some attention on it. Shiver.

(Check my other posts before calling my a neocon, I'm generally liberal for chrissake.)

I think what she's saying is that those people weren't real Muslims - the way one of my coworkers explain it, it's forbidden in koran to kill yourself. It's the same way I wouldn't consider abortion clinic bombers "Christians".

What about anyone who gets or performs an abortion? Can't be Christian? There's a big difference between saying some particular act doesn't represent the general practices of particular religion and classifying someone who performs the act as not part of the religion. I suppose since I eat bacon and sausage I'm not Jewish. Or is it the size and number of of the sins that matters? According to your philosophy, no murderer could be considered a Christian. But what about lesser sins? What sins can you commit and still be considered a practicianer of a particular faith? But we may be vering off topic and this might belong in a new thread.

I'm not saying it's a bulletproof arugment, I'm trying to cast some light into what she's likely to be saying. I do think she has a valid point about the US foreign policy (I suppose for the masses 'they hate our freedum' would suffice) causing 911 though.

As I stated in my OP, I believe there is discussion to be had regarding the effects of US foreign policy. But again, to say that our foreign policy is the "cause" of 9/11 is to remove ultimate responsibility from its rightful source. When a murderer (the 9/11 hijackers) is on trial and he says his parents (US foreign policy) used to beat him and he had a bad childhood, while we understand his parents influence may have been a contributing factor to his behavior, we still convict him because it was his choice to carry out his act.

 

[Kwaipie]

I fail to see where this is an issue. Are you saying every school should instruct in English? So we DO have a national language?

That's right, we don't have a national language.

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: sirjonk
I can't believe this school will be opening. Check out the prinicpal-to-be's thoughts on 9/11:

"I don't recognize the people who committed the attacks as either Arabs or Muslims." Instead, she blames September 11 on Washington's foreign policies, saying they "can have been triggered by the way the USA breaks its promises with countries across the world, especially in the Middle East, and the fact that it has not been a fair mediator."

I live in NY and pay ridiculous NY taxes. I don't want to fund a NY school run by someone who feels that 9/11 wasn't carried out by Muslims. That's objective fact. They were sicko extremist Muslims, but that doesn't make them non-Muslims. I don't recognize the principal's right to excommunicate Muslims based on her analysis of their beliefs. I'm willing to talk about how US policies may have led to resentment in the Middle East, but those who take murderous actions are responsible for those actions. When my neighbor plays his music too loud, I don't get to crash a car into his house and then talk about how his policy of loud music playing was the cause of my actions.

This article is from April...how the hell did this thing get so far without a ruccus in local papers and news picking up the story? This is the first I've heard of it. How scary is it that I'd consider sending this story to O'Reilly to focus some attention on it. Shiver.

(Check my other posts before calling my a neocon, I'm generally liberal for chrissake.)

I think what she's saying is that those people weren't real Muslims - the way one of my coworkers explain it, it's forbidden in koran to kill yourself. It's the same way I wouldn't consider abortion clinic bombers "Christians".

What about anyone who gets or performs an abortion? Can't be Christian? There's a big difference between saying some particular act doesn't represent the general practices of particular religion and classifying someone who performs the act as not part of the religion. I suppose since I eat bacon and sausage I'm not Jewish. Or is it the size and number of of the sins that matters? According to your philosophy, no murderer could be considered a Christian. But what about lesser sins? What sins can you commit and still be considered a practicianer of a particular faith? But we may be vering off topic and this might belong in a new thread.

I'm not saying it's a bulletproof arugment, I'm trying to cast some light into what she's likely to be saying. I do think she has a valid point about the US foreign policy (I suppose for the masses 'they hate our freedum' would suffice) causing 911 though.

As I stated in my OP, I believe there is discussion to be had regarding the effects of US foreign policy. But again, to say that our foreign policy is the "cause" of 9/11 is to remove ultimate responsibility from its rightful source. When a murderer (the 9/11 hijackers) is on trial and he says his parents (US foreign policy) used to beat him and he had a bad childhood, while we understand his parents influence may have been a contributing factor to his behavior, we still convict him because it was his choice to carry out his act.

It appears as if the author of this piece is putting words in her mouth. I am more than likely to believe that she, like Ron Paul was explaining what motivated the hijackers and not trying to be part of "the blame America first" crowd and the righties affectionately call anyone that doesn't blindly follow the mantra of "America can do no wrong".

I would like to see her quote in its entirety without his conjecture in the middle of it. Especially after reading a little bit more of his views about Islam at his website:

http://www.danielpipes.org/

 

[jonks]

Alright, she's not Satan. Damnit. I'm still not in favor of "culturally focused" public schools.

http://www.gothamgazette.com/c...y/107.almontaser.shtml


Her full quote, as requested:
http://www.amnesty.no/web.nsf/...d004ef7c5?OpenDocument

Why do you think terrorists attacked the USA?

- A year ago I could not answer such a question. To me it was just impossible to comprehend how someone could do such terrible, totally sick atrocities. Many said they were not surprised that terrorists attacked the US. That hurt me deeply. Today I believe that the terrorist attacks can have been triggered by the way the USA breaks its promises with countries across the world, especially in the Middle East and the fact that it has not been a fair mediator with its foreign policy. It is not true that the people in the Middle East and Southeast Asia hate our lifestyle, our freedom and our democracy. What disturbs them is that we in order to secure our own well being, deprive them of the possibility of achieving the same high living standard and freedom of choice that we have in the western world. Terror is the last resource of a desperate and oppressed people, but that does not mean that it is acceptable. People who do terrorist acts have lost the sense of right and wrong, each individual committing such acts should be punished with the maximum extent of the law. Only Allah is entitled to take lives.

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: sirjonk
Alright, she's not Satan. Damnit. I'm still not in favor of "culturally focused" public schools.

http://www.gothamgazette.com/c...y/107.almontaser.shtml


Her full quote, as requested:
http://www.amnesty.no/web.nsf/...d004ef7c5?OpenDocument

Why do you think terrorists attacked the USA?

- A year ago I could not answer such a question. To me it was just impossible to comprehend how someone could do such terrible, totally sick atrocities. Many said they were not surprised that terrorists attacked the US. That hurt me deeply. Today I believe that the terrorist attacks can have been triggered by the way the USA breaks its promises with countries across the world, especially in the Middle East and the fact that it has not been a fair mediator with its foreign policy. It is not true that the people in the Middle East and Southeast Asia hate our lifestyle, our freedom and our democracy. What disturbs them is that we in order to secure our own well being, deprive them of the possibility of achieving the same high living standard and freedom of choice that we have in the western world. Terror is the last resource of a desperate and oppressed people, but that does not mean that it is acceptable. People who do terrorist acts have lost the sense of right and wrong, each individual committing such acts should be punished with the maximum extent of the law. Only Allah is entitled to take lives.

Thanks for finding the whole quote in context. I have learned to be very leery of any quote that has "...." and then someone else's thoughts in the middle and then a conclusion.

Whenever I do see it, I have serious reservations about the validity of the author being unbiased. This rule seems to apply no matter which side of the aisle a quote is being presented from.

 

[Ferocious]

What a retarded thread.

The ACLU didn't try and stop my school from teaching me Spanish years ago.

 

[Narmer]

I guess ALL those Hebrew schools are privately funded?:roll:

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Narmer
I guess ALL those Hebrew schools are privately funded?:roll:

Mine was. *Shrug*

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: sirjonk
Alright, she's not Satan. Damnit. I'm still not in favor of "culturally focused" public schools.

http://www.gothamgazette.com/c...y/107.almontaser.shtml


Her full quote, as requested:
http://www.amnesty.no/web.nsf/...d004ef7c5?OpenDocument

Why do you think terrorists attacked the USA?

- A year ago I could not answer such a question. To me it was just impossible to comprehend how someone could do such terrible, totally sick atrocities. Many said they were not surprised that terrorists attacked the US. That hurt me deeply. Today I believe that the terrorist attacks can have been triggered by the way the USA breaks its promises with countries across the world, especially in the Middle East and the fact that it has not been a fair mediator with its foreign policy. It is not true that the people in the Middle East and Southeast Asia hate our lifestyle, our freedom and our democracy. What disturbs them is that we in order to secure our own well being, deprive them of the possibility of achieving the same high living standard and freedom of choice that we have in the western world. Terror is the last resource of a desperate and oppressed people, but that does not mean that it is acceptable. People who do terrorist acts have lost the sense of right and wrong, each individual committing such acts should be punished with the maximum extent of the law. Only Allah is entitled to take lives.

I'm not sure what the views of the principal have to do with the school in any case, most principles I've had didn't make the school teach a certain way to satisfy their individual views. In fact, I couldn't even come close to telling you what any of my principals thought about anything except the dumb stuff I did in school.

Had this been a French language school, nobody would care what views the principal held. Hell, nobody would even know what those views were. But you bring up ANYTHING from or relating to the Middle East and suddenly everyone loses their damn brains.

 

[Rainsford]

And, yes, this thread is pretty silly. Arabic is not the Middle Eastern equivalent of Christian, what the hell is wrong with you people?

For you guys who are a little slow...

Christian is to Muslim as French is to Arabic. The ACLU opposes Christian public schools, and would presumably oppose a Muslim public school as well. The ACLU does NOT oppose French public schools, and under the same principle would not oppose an Arabic school. Their position is perfectly consistent and reasonable, you people are just stupid.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: DonVito
Teaching in Arabic doesn't make this a Muslim school per se, any more than teaching in Italian or Spanish would make it a Catholic school.

you look at it anyways you want....still doesn`t make it right!!

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: DonVito
Teaching in Arabic doesn't make this a Muslim school per se, any more than teaching in Italian or Spanish would make it a Catholic school.

you look at it anyways you want....still doesn`t make it right!!

..and it makes it wrong? Somehow?

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: DonVito
Teaching in Arabic doesn't make this a Muslim school per se, any more than teaching in Italian or Spanish would make it a Catholic school.

you look at it anyways you want....still doesn`t make it right!!

..and it makes it wrong? Somehow?

That was exactly what i was going to post

 

[dmens]

I'd be interested to see if the ACLU would sue the public school if muslim prayers occurred within school grounds.

Ignoring the religion/school issue, far more concerning is the radical arabist propaganda being passed off as educational material in the school, which is what Daniel Pipes was pointing out with the article, but that isn't the ACLU's concern. Hopefully NYC would take action against this outrage.