Where is democracy?

[lowtech1]

What has happened to democracy?

American often found sprouting fairness & world peace, but how could they let the baboon such as the Bush administrations dictate their ?fairness? on the world?

I don?t like Sadam nor his goons just as much as the next person, but how could you blame him for not developing weapon of mass destruction when the US has it.

Another thing is how could good American citizen standby and let dictators bombs/kill innocent civilians & children?

How much collateral damage does it take for American people to be satisfied for the lost that has endured?

What is the cost & what does it take to have world peace?

I feel helpless & sad for the innocent children that will be kill & maim by a few blood thirsts warmongers.

Iraq: US draft 'declares war'

 

[HombrePequeno]

So you want us to step in and take Saddam out but you don't want us 'pushing' our fairness on others? How do you expect us to remove him? Harsh words? You can actually blame him for developing WMDs; he signed a treaty stating that he wouldn't.

 

Would you like us to violently rebel and overthrow the government? I am sorry, but I do my talking with my votes, not with a gun.

 

[KK]

At what point would you like for the US to do something about Iraq. If you want a lowtech reasoning here it is. Say you got an orange orchard, and you got a freeze warning for tommorrow night. Would you just wait it out and hope it doesn't freeze, or would you spray the orange trees down with water to freeze them to prevent any damage. You can call this preventative maintenance.

KK

 

[GoodToGo]

Democracy can only exist in small countries where everyone has a chance to be heard. In bigger countries (like the US), the process is so convoluted and lengthy that the people's message probably never reaches the right person. Plus with contributions from dubious/profiteering organizations can further mess things up. In smaller countries, each INDIVIDUAL voice can be heard.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: lowtech
What has happened to democracy?

Well considering we are a representative republic and not a democracy. Democracy is just a nice word for mob rule.

American often found sprouting fairness & world peace, but how could they let the baboon such as the Bush administrations dictate their ?fairness? on the world?

In the same manner that a baboon like clinton or any other baboon ex president gets elected that you disagree with.

I don?t like Sadam nor his goons just as much as the next person, but how could you blame him for not developing weapon of mass destruction when the US has it.

It was in his terms of surrender. Nuf said.

Another thing is how could good American citizen standby and let dictators bombs/kill innocent civilians & children?

Actually we have been stopping dictators from killing civilians. We protect the kurds in northern iraq. We went to bosnia/kosovo....

How much collateral damage does it take for American people to be satisfied for the lost that has endured?

Collateral damage is kept to a minimum. It says something about military will when we go out of our way not hurt civilians.

What is the cost & what does it take to have world peace?

Peace is not cheap. However I am not sure it is a less expensive option than war.

I feel helpless & sad for the innocent children that will be kill & maim by a few blood thirsts warmongers.

Iraq: US draft 'declares war'

And if Iraq complies with inspectors, there will be no war.
That would make us all happy.

 

[Mavrick]

Originally posted by: GoodToGo
Democracy can only exist in small countries where everyone has a chance to be heard. In bigger countries (like the US), the process is so convoluted and lengthy that the people's message probably never reaches the right person. Plus with contributions from dubious/profiteering organizations can further mess things up. In smaller countries, each INDIVIDUAL voice can be heard.

Smaller countries like Iraq and Bolivia I guess? In fact, I think you could not be more wrong. Democracy can really exist in countries with a lot of diversity. It takes a lot of opinions and different perspectives to end with good and balanced decisions (I don't know if you ever did some team work, but from my experience, if everybody has the same ideas, you get the work done faster, but its often single minded and clearly not as good some other, more diverse team did).

And what is better than a large country with many different cultures to truly "feel" democracy?

(By the way, because the government doesn't act the way you like doesn't mean that democracy doesn't work, it just means the majority of people doesn't think the way you do. They can be right, they can be wrong, but since they are the majority, democracy states that they should be heard. That should be respected.)

 

[Tominator]

Originally posted by: GoodToGo
Democracy can only exist in small countries where everyone has a chance to be heard. In bigger countries (like the US), the process is so convoluted and lengthy that the people's message probably never reaches the right person. Plus with contributions from dubious/profiteering organizations can further mess things up. In smaller countries, each INDIVIDUAL voice can be heard.

The US is a Representative Republic and not a pure Democracy. Pure Democracy does not work very well at all.

The problem is as you stated. The INDIVIDUAL voice unless combined with like voices only leads to animosity and internal conflict. Rarely does anything positive come from that. France for instance....

 

I don?t like Sadam nor his goons just as much as the next person, but how could you blame him for not developing weapon of mass destruction when the US has it.

Unlike Saddam, we don't use our weapons of mass destruction to kill our own people or people in other countries.

 

[Moonbeam]

War is not a good thing and killing people because you are afraid they will kill you isn't good either. People are way to paranoid to assume that much arrogance. At the same time there are evil people in the world and they shouldn't be allowed free reign with the worst weapons in the world either. The best way to handle Iraq, because there are so many self serving justifications that can be heaped on the US if it goes it alone is, in my opinion, to do the job with international consensus and support. The notion that everybody is in danger when mad men have dangerous toys is not so difficult that it can't be comprehended. The US, by acting in an arrogant manner creates a worldwide resentment that frustrates her at times when common sense apply.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Roger

I don?t like Sadam nor his goons just as much as the next person, but how could you blame him for not developing weapon of mass destruction when the US has it.

Unlike Saddam, we don't use our weapons of mass destruction to kill our own people or people in other countries.

I suppose that would depend on what country your from, and what decade you were born, eh?

 

[bGIveNs33]

Originally posted by: Roger

I don?t like Sadam nor his goons just as much as the next person, but how could you blame him for not developing weapon of mass destruction when the US has it.

Unlike Saddam, we don't use our weapons of mass destruction to kill our own people or people in other countries.

Hmmmmm...... I'm thinking that's not true.

 

[Moonbeam]

I didn't have the heart to tell him.

 

[Electric Amish]

As crappy as it is, it works and seems to be doing better than any other government in the world

amish

 

[lowtech1]

So you want us to step in and take Saddam out but you don't want us 'pushing' our fairness on others? How do you expect us to remove him? Harsh words? You can actually blame him for developing WMDs; he signed a treaty stating that he wouldn't.

I don?t really have the answers, but we could try to remove him by example, and killing innocent civilians is not the answers. It is okay that the enemy friend & relatives are kill, but it isn?t okay if the people that being killed are your neighbors & relatives. The only thing that we have over Sadam is that we have bigger guns, more weapons & nukes that why we are trying to tell him what to do, but the reality is that every country has broke some kind of treaty/conventions. The US administration have done their evil deeds, and has broken many treaty such as testing WMD on their own people.

Say you got an orange orchard, and you got a freeze warning for tommorrow night. Would you just wait it out and hope it doesn't freeze, or would you spray the orange trees down with water to freeze them to prevent any damage. You can call this preventative maintenance.

Your seasoning doesn?t work here, because this is human lives we are talking not fruits.

Actually we have been stopping dictators from killing civilians. We protect the kurds in northern iraq. We went to bosnia/kosovo....

And the same government has tests nukes & who know how many others chemical on their own populous. Under which dictator that many of good American youths had to die in Vietnam? It certainly weren?t the Vietnamese dictator that forces the American young men into jungle & rice-paddy filled with booby traps & bombs.

Unlike Saddam, we don't use our weapons of mass destruction to kill our own people or people in other countries.

Sure, keep telling yourself that.

As crappy as it is, it works and seems to be doing better than any other government in the world

Why then that we couldn?t keep doing it by giving them a good example to change their system. Just looking at the reform happening all over Eastern Europe, Russia & China.