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Where is Anandtech's P45 motherboard review?

Eh, cut them some slack. With the early RV770 NDA lift and everything else going on with NV and ATI, I imagine they're got their hands full at the moment.
 
Originally posted by: Duwelon
Are the anandtech reviewers even working on reviewing the P45 chipset based motherboard(s)?
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I have 13 boards in for testing at the moment. The GF8200/780G comes first in a week, probably be around 7/11~7/14 for the P45 roundup. We will cover the P43 also as it is basically the P45 with overclocking limited to 400~415FSB. The majority of the boards will be in the $125~$175 range.
 
Originally posted by: Gary Key
We will cover the P43 also as it is basically the P45 with overclocking limited to 400~415FSB.
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I don't know whether or not to say that's interesting, or disturbing. Did Intel add some sort of clock limiter on the P43? 400FSB absolutely sucks. P965, P35, G31, etc., can do far more than that. I thought that the P45 was on a new process (a shrink), and thus should be able to overclock more. Anything less than 500FSB for a dual-core is sub-standard.

 
I may not be just a matter of arbitrary limit. It could be lesser-binned P45, or it could be the board makers not tuning the BIOS for high overclocking. Officially the main difference between P45 and P43 looks to be the PCIe lane configurations.
 
Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
Originally posted by: Gary Key
We will cover the P43 also as it is basically the P45 with overclocking limited to 400~415FSB.
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I don't know whether or not to say that's interesting, or disturbing. Did Intel add some sort of clock limiter on the P43? 400FSB absolutely sucks.
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Not necessarily, seeing as how many of the current 45nm cores have high multipliers. E7200 has 9.5x, right? E8400 is 9x and E8500 is 9.5x. At 400MHz FSB all of these will hit 3.6GHz, which is really respectable. Only the E8200 won't hit limits (but it isn't priced to great).
 
Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
Originally posted by: Gary Key
We will cover the P43 also as it is basically the P45 with overclocking limited to 400~415FSB.
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I don't know whether or not to say that's interesting, or disturbing. Did Intel add some sort of clock limiter on the P43? 400FSB absolutely sucks. P965, P35, G31, etc., can do far more than that. I thought that the P45 was on a new process (a shrink), and thus should be able to overclock more. Anything less than 500FSB for a dual-core is sub-standard.
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Not disturbing at all, the P43 is targeted for the sub-$100 market. P45 is for the mid-range performance market. I am already hearing from a couple of suppliers that through some BIOS coding, the P43 overclock performance is a little better. Honestly, a good solid 400FSB on any Core 2 CPU with a 8x multiplier or higher is great in my opinion on a $85 board. We take a lot for granted when it comes to Intel chipsets and processors at this point. 😉
 
Originally posted by: Zap
Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
Originally posted by: Gary Key
We will cover the P43 also as it is basically the P45 with overclocking limited to 400~415FSB.
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I don't know whether or not to say that's interesting, or disturbing. Did Intel add some sort of clock limiter on the P43? 400FSB absolutely sucks.
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Not necessarily, seeing as how many of the current 45nm cores have high multipliers. E7200 has 9.5x, right? E8400 is 9x and E8500 is 9.5x. At 400MHz FSB all of these will hit 3.6GHz, which is really respectable. Only the E8200 won't hit limits (but it isn't priced to great).
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Perhaps you consider it respectable, but if E8400 and E7200 can reach 4Ghz on the core, then I consider a 400Mhz FSB limit to be wholly underperforming.
 
This Chinese website overclocks an E8600 ES to 530Mhz FSB on an ASRock P43 motherboard:

HKEPC Hardware

It was only testing "Super PI" and not something like Prime95 ... but the gist is that there doesn't seem to be any artificial FSB limits on P43.
 
Originally posted by: VirtualLarry

Perhaps you consider it respectable, but if E8400 and E7200 can reach 4Ghz on the core, then I consider a 400Mhz FSB limit to be wholly underperforming.
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And I don't think you'd honestly be looking at a bargin bin, sub-$90 motherboard for ultimate performance and overclocking, either. You have to look at what they're being marketed for, and it's not performance enthusiasts.
 
Originally posted by: ssiu
This Chinese website overclocks an E8600 ES to 530Mhz FSB on an ASRock P43 motherboard:

HKEPC Hardware

It was only testing "Super PI" and not something like Prime95 ... but the gist is that there doesn't seem to be any artificial FSB limits on P43.
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I have the same motherboard here, doing 425 stable with a BIOS that will be released to the public. I saw 500FSB on an engineering board when visiting with ASRock, but they insisted those results were not representative of retail boards. I do not doubt for a moment that the P43 will do 475~500 stable with a good MCH, but they were insistent (as were others) that the P43 would be regulated around the 400FSB level for the most part. If that changes, then we all win. 🙂
 
Still interested to see your Raid 0 comparison between SIL5723 and ICH10R. I am using Drive Expert on the P5Q-E and it seems to be performing very well.
 
Originally posted by: Gary Key
Originally posted by: ssiu
This Chinese website overclocks an E8600 ES to 530Mhz FSB on an ASRock P43 motherboard:

HKEPC Hardware

It was only testing "Super PI" and not something like Prime95 ... but the gist is that there doesn't seem to be any artificial FSB limits on P43.
Click to expand...

I have the same motherboard here, doing 425 stable with a BIOS that will be released to the public. I saw 500FSB on an engineering board when visiting with ASRock, but they insisted those results were not representative of retail boards. I do not doubt for a moment that the P43 will do 475~500 stable with a good MCH, but they were insistent (as were others) that the P43 would be regulated around the 400FSB level for the most part. If that changes, then we all win. 🙂
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FSB 400 sounds quite low considering these boards are spec to FSB 400. Giving very little to overclocking headrooms. Even the budget P35s (like IP35-Es DS3Ls) are above that. Maybe they will get better in the future as this chipset goes thru some more revisions.
 
Originally posted by: Gary Key
they were insistent (as were others) that the P43 would be regulated around the 400FSB level for the most part.
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"Regulated?" As in what Intel tried to do on the early 900 series chipsets?
 
Originally posted by: Gary Key
Originally posted by: Duwelon
Are the anandtech reviewers even working on reviewing the P45 chipset based motherboard(s)?
Click to expand...

I have 13 boards in for testing at the moment. The GF8200/780G comes first in a week, probably be around 7/11~7/14 for the P45 roundup. We will cover the P43 also as it is basically the P45 with overclocking limited to 400~415FSB. The majority of the boards will be in the $125~$175 range.
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So... is it time yet for the review??? 🙂
 
I read somewhere that intel used "lower quality cristals" for the p43 chipsets and therefore wouldnt be able to overclock as well, I hope this is wrong. The P5QL-E looks sweet.
 
I'm sure stuff is coming. Yes, it looks like they're in the weeds at the moment but I'm sure they'll have reviews of all this stuff out in due time.
 
Presumably they're honing teh amazing ovrclockz skillz and will post an in-depth article about stably running low-vtt overclocks. A blog post was saying something about the Max II Formula and I believe some lower-end P45s too. Perhaps they're going all-out and are also swamped with other work. bump for the progress of the reviews..
 
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