Where have all the war protestors gone?

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: retrospooty

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: retrospooty

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
The bloody and brutal war in Afghanistan is now okay as long as the "right person" is in charge.

After all this time, it is still to difficult for you to separate one middle east country from another isnt it? Let me help you little boy.

Afganistan: Taliban, Al Qaeda, responsible for attacking the USA

Iraq: A totally different country that did nothing to us and had nothing to do with ANY attacks on the USA - also had no WMD's as Bush lied and told us they did to get us in there. Also had no Al Qaeda, until the US invaded - Al Qaeda came in after that in the chaos that followed. Now, at this point in time, its not even a war - its just a police action, and we have a timetable to leave - can you grasp that?

You see the diffference? Afganistan is not the same place as Iraq... you se how they are different? A dynamic human brain can distinguish the difference. can you say dynamic? Can you say distinguish? I know they are big words, but your going to need to learn them some day when you grow up and go to school.

Your vitriol-laced personal attacks make your posts compelling. You have changed my mind. I am now able to gloss over the fact that we are still in Iraq.

The personal attack is my way of telling ryanpaul that he is a total moron. I stand behind that statement for reasons outlined in my first post.

As for Iraq, what would you have Obama do, withdraw 100% day one? That would be chaos... He said he would get us out responsibly in 18 months - that is still happening. What exactly is your issue with how Obama is handling Iraq?

The point is when Bush was in office, people that support Obama now said we need to pull out of Iraq now since we were "invaders".

Just like everything else the left does, it's do as we say, not as we do.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: retrospooty

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: retrospooty

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
The bloody and brutal war in Afghanistan is now okay as long as the "right person" is in charge.

After all this time, it is still to difficult for you to separate one middle east country from another isnt it? Let me help you little boy.

Afganistan: Taliban, Al Qaeda, responsible for attacking the USA

Iraq: A totally different country that did nothing to us and had nothing to do with ANY attacks on the USA - also had no WMD's as Bush lied and told us they did to get us in there. Also had no Al Qaeda, until the US invaded - Al Qaeda came in after that in the chaos that followed. Now, at this point in time, its not even a war - its just a police action, and we have a timetable to leave - can you grasp that?

You see the diffference? Afganistan is not the same place as Iraq... you se how they are different? A dynamic human brain can distinguish the difference. can you say dynamic? Can you say distinguish? I know they are big words, but your going to need to learn them some day when you grow up and go to school.

Your vitriol-laced personal attacks make your posts compelling. You have changed my mind. I am now able to gloss over the fact that we are still in Iraq.

The personal attack is my way of telling ryanpaul that he is a total moron. I stand behind that statement for reasons outlined in my first post.

As for Iraq, what would you have Obama do, withdraw 100% day one? That would be chaos... He said he would get us out responsibly according to Bush's withdrawal policy- that is still happening. What exactly is your issue with how Obama is handling Iraq?

Bolded changed for accuracy. Hope you dont mind.

 

[cumhail]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

The point is when Bush was in office, people that support Obama now said we need to pull out of Iraq now since we were "invaders".

Just like everything else the left does, it's do as we say, not as we do.

I voted for Obama, I was against the war, and I still am. We were invaders, we still are, and we had absolutely no business being there. But now that we are there, now that we have managed to completely destabilize the country, and now that we've succeeded in turning it into the hotbed of violence that our previously-elected leaders only claimed it was, it's not quite as simple as going to Orbitz or Expedia and booking some flights to get everyone back home in time for Labor day. It's a "you break it, you buy it" scenario; and the jackasses who broke it knew that going into it.

All that said, the damage has been done and is going to remain no matter how long it takes us to get out. Our meddling with Iran, during the Eisenhower administration, earned us the past half-century of problems we've had with them; and our actions in Iraq will similarly earn us whatever transpires in the coming decades.

But don't worry... we have a never-ending capacity to absolve ourselves of any guilt and blame others for not "moving past it." So I doubt we'll accept much responsibility for it... God knows the people on the right won't.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: PJABBER

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: PJABBER

Originally posted by: Deeko
Actually, the war protest outside city hall here in Seattle is exactly the same as its been the year and a half I've lived here.

Shut your hole, trolls. The protestors are still here.

Some people never learn.

I think I'm beginning to like your ideas. If we can bring democracy to the Middle East at the barrel of a gun, I should be able to get my baseball bat out of the closet and head over to your house and make an honest liberal out of you without going into extra innings. Yes, I can see it now, a much improved democracy right here at home.

Well, you can try, I guess. As I am already an honest Classical Liberal, you are going to be wasting your time. You know, preaching to the faithful and all that.

But, any time you get that urge to pick up a bat you should be aware that the arming of America since the election of Obama means that you are likely to encounter pissed off homeowners holding, say, a Benelli M4 Super 90 Combat 12 gauge shotgun backed up by a couple of kids lock and loading matching pairs of Les Baer AR M4 Ultimate 5.56mm carbines. It could also be that the wifey shows up silent and deadly behind you with her brand new .45 caliber KRISS Super V Vector SBR/SO ready to direct your proselytizing back to SF.

Just sayin. Don't come to a gunfight with a bat. :lips:

Same goes with going to war. Know what you are going there for, dedicate the means required to achieve your goals, have an exit strategy. Now, let's see if you can succinctly identify those three for Afghanistan.

Yup, don't start a war for democracy in some two bit country that will bankrupt the US. The Iraqis think just like you do. And I don't need a bat when, with a little mental Judo, I can get you to show yourself the defects of your own case.

 

[retrospooty]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

The point is when Bush was in office, people that support Obama now said we need to pull out of Iraq now since we were "invaders".

Just like everything else the left does, it's do as we say, not as we do.

I dont recall anyone actually recomending that we pull everything out and leave immediatley. Once we were tehre, we had to deal with it. Obama clearly said many many times, that he wants to do a measured withdrawal over 1 1/2 years.


Who said that ?

 

[JS80]

They are now working for the Obama admin.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Its a f--king miracle the way things change around here. To say most protesters weren't against BOTH wars is BS.. People here stopped caring because their beloved leader was now calling the shots and there are more important things to do like ramming through healthcare reform than worrying about our troops. You barely hear any reports on the wars now.

 

[heyheybooboo]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Its a f--king miracle the way things change around here. To say most protesters weren't against BOTH wars is BS.. People here stopped caring because their beloved leader was now calling the shots and there are more important things to do like ramming through healthcare reform than worrying about our troops. You barely hear any reports on the wars now.

Did the voices in your head tell you that ?

 

[JayhaVVKU]

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Its a f--king miracle the way things change around here. To say most protesters weren't against BOTH wars is BS.. People here stopped caring because their beloved leader was now calling the shots and there are more important things to do like ramming through healthcare reform than worrying about our troops. You barely hear any reports on the wars now.

Did the voices in your head tell you that ?

If by "voices in your head" you mean Fox News, then yes.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Sad thing M is that our evolution created us as social creatures and some of us act to fulfill the alpha call. Dominance and predation are in our genes and sometimes we refuse to allow intellect to rule instinct. As a result we are practiced executioners.

 

[mrCide]

I like many others had an issue with the unjustified Iraqi war, not the war in Afghanistan. You people claiming otherwise are just trolling, that's the easy bottom line. 95% of the posts here are trolls.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I recall most of those who made comments about both wars saw the reasons for Afghanistan but not Iraq, since the latter was a drain of resources which could be used against those who attacked us. Morality aside it made no sense.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: mrCide
I like many others had an issue with the unjustified Iraqi war, not the war in Afghanistan. You people claiming otherwise are just trolling, that's the easy bottom line. 95% of the posts here are trolls.

Right.. now EVERYONE supports the Afghan war. Can we get a declaration that Bush made the absolute right call by going into Afghanistan? Maybe a day of honor for GWB and his wise war choice? Surely if he was absolutely justified in going into Afghanistan, we can cut him a little slack on being wrong on Iraq? He was dealing with a crisis he inherited from a previous administration. He had to make a choice QUICKLY.. no time to check the actual intelligence, it was a CRISIS and needed to be acted upon IMMEDIATELY..

(Sound familiar?)

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Bush wasn't facing a crisis. It was purely an elective war in Iraq

 

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Bush wasn't facing a crisis. It was purely an elective war in Iraq

No, that whole 9/11 thing was just a normal event. Yeah, I know.. Iraq didn't have anything to do with 9/11, but it certainly helped create a whole lot of hysteria in this country (some of it justified), and Iraq certainly was a decision made during that 'crisis'.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: mrCide
I like many others had an issue with the unjustified Iraqi war, not the war in Afghanistan. You people claiming otherwise are just trolling, that's the easy bottom line. 95% of the posts here are trolls.

Right.. now EVERYONE supports the Afghan war. Can we get a declaration that Bush made the absolute right call by going into Afghanistan? Maybe a day of honor for GWB and his wise war choice? Surely if he was absolutely justified in going into Afghanistan, we can cut him a little slack on being wrong on Iraq? He was dealing with a crisis he inherited from a previous administration. He had to make a choice QUICKLY.. no time to check the actual intelligence, it was a CRISIS and needed to be acted upon IMMEDIATELY..

(Sound familiar?)

Yeah it sounds like the same old Bush Apologist bullshit the Wingnuts and Needleheads had spouted during the Dub's tenure.

 

[heyheybooboo]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

As for Iraq, what would you have Obama do, withdraw 100% day one? That would be chaos... He said he would get us out responsibly according to Bush's withdrawal policy- that is still happening. What exactly is your issue with how Obama is handling Iraq?

Bolded changed for accuracy. Hope you dont mind.

Correcting your BS and Revisionist History. Hope you don't mind.

In reversal, Bush to accept Iraq withdrawal timetable (August 22, 2008)

?They?ll come home with honor. And it won?t be just at a set timetable.?
- George W. Bush(ed), July 22, 2008

"The call by Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki for a timetable for the removal of American troops from Iraq presents an enormous opportunity. We should seize this moment to begin the phased redeployment of combat troops that I have long advocated, and that is needed for long-term success in Iraq and the security interests of the United States."
- Barack Obama, July 14, 2008

Iraq: No Withdrawal Timetable, No Deal (July 8, 2008)

"Our answer is: there should be no definitive timetable."
- George W. Bush(ed), June 15, 2008

"I am absolutely convinced that the best thing we can do is to set a clear timetable, tell the Iraqis we are going to start pulling out and do it in a careful fashion."
- Barack Obama, June 6th, 2008

?If you set a date for withdrawal, then the consequences of failure are catastrophic.?
- George W. Bush(ed), August 20, 2007

Bush envisions U.S. presence in Iraq like S.Korea - May 30, 2007

"Setting a deadline for withdrawal is setting a date for failure -- and that would be irresponsible."
- George W. Bush(ed), May 02, 2007

?I will strongly reject an artificial timetable for withdrawal and/or Washington politicians trying to tell those who wear the uniform how to do their job.?
- George W. Bush(ed), April 24, 2007

"A fixed timetable for withdrawal means defeat."
- George W. Bush(ed), October 25, 2006

"We're not leaving, so long as I'm the President."
- George W. Bush(ed), August 21, 2006

 

[retrospooty]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: mrCide
I like many others had an issue with the unjustified Iraqi war, not the war in Afghanistan. You people claiming otherwise are just trolling, that's the easy bottom line. 95% of the posts here are trolls.

Right.. now EVERYONE supports the Afghan war. Can we get a declaration that Bush made the absolute right call by going into Afghanistan? Maybe a day of honor for GWB and his wise war choice? Surely if he was absolutely justified in going into Afghanistan, we can cut him a little slack on being wrong on Iraq? He was dealing with a crisis he inherited from a previous administration. He had to make a choice QUICKLY.. no time to check the actual intelligence, it was a CRISIS and needed to be acted upon IMMEDIATELY..

(Sound familiar?)

Absolutely, Bush made the right call on Afganistan. I was behind that all the way until... suddenly one day he decided to go into Iraq for some rediculous reason... What was it? WMD's ? Even thought he whole rest of the world said not to, he went anyhow.

Sooo... diverting our troops from the real issue in Afganistan to go after Sadamm, now Obama has to clean up Afganistan 7 freegin years later

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
The bloody and brutal war in Afghanistan is now okay as long as the "right person" is in charge.

First, let me say, I am a conservative (not a Republican though). But I do not believe the war in Iraq was the proper course of action. It was a tremendous waste of lives and money for no discernable gain for the United States that I can see. I think the reason you aren't seeing protests for Iraq is because of various reasons:

1) GWB is out of office.
2) Sectarian violence has been declining for quite some time, though there still are periodic surges.
3) Withdrawal is in sight.

Afghanistan is a different story. I think most Americans, regardless of political stripe, support that effort due to the fact that they aided and abetted the perpetrators of 9/11. I do believe that had we ignored Afghanistan, there would have been many more terrorist attacks. With that being said, I would wager that most Americans also believe Afghanistan has been handled very poorly. I sometimes wonder what would have happened had we invested the resources we put into Iraq into Afghanistan instead.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

FNE, Bush was not facing a crisis with Iraq. Like healthcare, it's critical that one has current information before action. With a war, a lot of people can die in a hurry so you need to be very sure. George Will once remarked that preemption war requires correct understanding and that is why he was angry with the neocons. They did not use due dillegence. Personally I was aghast at the reasoning used by Bush and others. Consider that Bush used aluminum tubes as evidence against Saddam when Sandia scoffed at the idea. The last administration took the word of a junior CIA analyst over our own nuclear experts. It stretches credibility beyond the breaking point to say that was a simple error. That and other things have led me to the conclusion that like LBJ and the Gulf of Tonkin, the Rightness of their opinion outweighed the facts, but that didn't matter. Once we deposed Saddam we would find the WMDs that MUST be there, the terrorist links MUST be there.

They weren't.

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: Sawyer
Maybe they are still around and I have not noticed them, and maybe they still rally and protest but the media doesn't cover them.

They will be back in another 6 to 12 months when the mortality rate in Afghanistan gets high.

 

[moparacer]

Where is Cindy? Where is the Dixie Chics?

Guess its not politically correct to protest the war anymore......

And don't give me none of this crap where he draws the troop strength down to 50,000 and relabels them non combat....

Out of Iraq better mean OUT OF IRAQ to all that whined about it for years or they all better hit the streets protesting.....

And to be correct the TALIBAN ran Afghanistan and we routed them and set up a democratic government so shouldn't we get be leaving there soon?

I mean come on now $$$$ spent and lives lost fighting a war is the same in Afghanistan as it was in Iraq isn't it?

 

[ZeGermans]

The Afghanistan war is a loss and we should get out of there. It's unwinnable, and if we would just reform our imperialist foreign policy for once in our existence then we won't have anything to worry about from outside sources.

 

[Uhtrinity]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: mrCide
I like many others had an issue with the unjustified Iraqi war, not the war in Afghanistan. You people claiming otherwise are just trolling, that's the easy bottom line. 95% of the posts here are trolls.

Right.. now EVERYONE supports the Afghan war. Can we get a declaration that Bush made the absolute right call by going into Afghanistan? Maybe a day of honor for GWB and his wise war choice? Surely if he was absolutely justified in going into Afghanistan, we can cut him a little slack on being wrong on Iraq? He was dealing with a crisis he inherited from a previous administration. He had to make a choice QUICKLY.. no time to check the actual intelligence, it was a CRISIS and needed to be acted upon IMMEDIATELY..

(Sound familiar?)

And why should he get credit when he screwed that up by redirecting to Iraq. Should we have been in Afganistan 8 years ago ... Yes, should we still be there now ..... no because we should have been done by now.

Like most other Americans I felt Afghanistan was justified, but Bush dropped the ball by not sending enough troops and nailing Osama and the Taliban when he had the chance. All of that energy was wasted in Iraq that had nothing to do with 911.

 

[miniMUNCH]

They can't talk right now because the have their lips firmly wrapped around Obama's sex organ... lol, i don't really believe that but i couldn't help post it. No offense intended to anyone.