I do believe in a God who guides or causes changes in animals for specific purposes which sometimes makes several mutations to occur.
I do not believe in creationism
I do not believe in creationism
Where does my belief fit in
- Thread starter BirdDad
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So you believe in something that has zero proof for occurring. Where we have a scientific theory with lots of data to back it up, you would like to make something else up as an added explanation when it isn't needed.
Siddhartha
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You believe what you believe. I don't know why anyone would care what others believe. Nobody cares what you had for supper last night, why should they care what religion (if any) you believe in?
JulesMaximus
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- Jul 3, 2003
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"Evolution".
A lot of wackos out there don't seem to get that the theory of evolution only describes the process (i.e changes through breeding due to selective processes in nature).
It does NOT describe:
1) The origins of life
2) The cause of the process (i.e. why nature imposes the selective processes it does)
It's quite possible Darwin himself believed as you do.
Codewiz there are too many things that could not have arisen without something guiding it,for instance humming birds and humming bid moths they look the same they fly the same and are like each other in every way except the moth uses a bent proboscus instead of a darting tounge.Apperently there was a need (something beyond our understanding) that was fullfield by two very different animals.
As I scientist I can assert that a *lot* of stuff isn't science. If you were to build a universe using nothing but science, both present and future laws, discoveries, and models, you would find a lot of gaps. Some things are simply impossible to test scientifically.
Jeff7
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That, or else it's just that we humans happen to see similarities in two things.
A cloud may look like a rabbit, but that doesn't mean that the two exist to perform identical functions. It just means that to our minds, the two things have similar shapes, nothing more.
Coincidence does not mean that some divine power is guiding it. It's just that - "co" and "incidence." Two incidents occur at the same time, and our pattern-seeking minds assign some special value to it.
Both evolved separately, and coincidentally, the two do share some similarities. But there are plenty of other similarities among many complex life forms on Earth. Male and female sexes. Two eyes. Basic symmetry. A head containing primary sensory organs and a brain.
At least, right now they are impossible.
There was a time when it was "impossible" for things heavier than air to fly.
Throwmeabone
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Originally posted by: Jeff7
At least, right now they are impossible.
There was a time when it was "impossible" for things heavier than air to fly.
Huh? That's completely different. Besides, that sentence is untrue: birds have been around for ages. Technology was limited, but science knew that it was theoretically possible.
Science relies on reproducibility, and measurement. If you can't bring something into the lab or design an instrument to measure it from afar, you can't do science. Speculative theories can be made which are later proven when technology advances, but no instrument can reveal the answer to basic philosophical questions such as "Why are we here? Is there a purpose, or is it just chance? What is right and wrong? Is there absolute truth, or is everything relative to ones' observations and experiences?"
Another thing is the study history, which, while there are certainly many tantalizing bits of hard evidence strewn around, will always be speculative. We can never write a second-by-second account of Julius Caesar's life...that information is lost forever to science. You can certainly conjecture some basic ideas about what sort of person he was, what things he was likely to be doing at any given day, and with whom he might have been speaking, but none of this is science: it isn't reproducible, it isn't observable, and it isn't provable. You can only disprove the occasional tidbit that actually does show up in some sort of printed record (He couldn't have been taking a bath, because senatorial records show that he gave a speech. But that isn't yet "proof", given that records can be falsified.)
DangerAardvark
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Why does it have to go straight from "science can't explain it" to "oh well, God did it"? That's quite a leap there.
Throckmorton
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A couple years ago I would have accepted your viewpoint as a valid personal compromise between fact and belief, but not anymore. The "guided evolution" idea has been coopted by religious fundamentalists and politicians. They try to teach it in schools and try to pass it off as fact. We have to take a hardline stance against nonscience like this, otherwise with the help of the media elevating it to the level of real science, it's going to end up being taught to our kids in 10 years.
Where does your belief fit in? Untruth
Where does your belief fit in? Untruth
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