where do you get info on who to vote for?

[AFB]

Originally posted by: DingDingDao

Originally posted by: ggnl
You don't need any information! If you're rich you vote Republican, if you're poor or a minority you vote Democrat.

lol. Just to play Devil's advocate (or Bush's advocate, depending on how you look at it), plenty of poor farmers in the midwest vote Republican, and last I checked Colin Powell and his douchebag son Michael were minorities and Republican.

He didn't say they were smart. If you are poor and you vote Bush, you are an idiot.

 

[ttown]

http://www.issues2000.org
.http://www.factcheck.org/

Don't believe ANYTHING in anyones ad. Any film-clip of the opponent (or of themselves) is usually out-of-context and misleading.
Also, read beyond the titles of things -- as your real perception of the content may be drastically different from the name a law/document/issue/policy actually has.

eg:
"Patriot Act" : hmmm... I'm a patriot.... so I must agree entirely with the "patriot act"? Maybe not, if you know of the potential abuses.
"Clear Skies Act" : hmmm... I like clear skies, so I must agree entirely with this, too?... Maybe not, if you know of the alternatives.

Don't flame me people.... I know there are people pro and con on each side. I'm just using those as examples on how an innocent sounding thing is a bit more controversial once you actually read the details.

Most news reporting has a slant.
Fox news, for example, is slanted toward the right-wing republicans.
MSNBC, for example, is slanted toward the left-wing democrats.

Read both sides stance on everything, and you can usually get a sense of what is important to you.
Someone above mentioned the WSJ -- and I would say that is the least-slanted news I've come across.
Also, watch "Meet the Press" on TV -- it's usually quite interesting, and not very slanted. (The guests are slanted, but the shows host and line of questioning isn't.)

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: JDub02

Originally posted by: ggnl
You don't need any information! If you're rich you vote Republican, if you're poor or a minority you vote Democrat.

No, if you desire to be rich (and are willing to work for it) vote Republican.

If you're poor and want the rich guy in the next neighborhood to be poor as well because it's not fair that he's rich and you're not, vote Democrat. They'll make sure they take all his money and make him as poor as you.

ahhhh there's a catch though, vote republican, and you'll have to take all that bible belt nonsense as well. vote libertarian, they're what the republican party used to be before they got hijacked by the fundies.

 

[AFB]

Originally posted by: Kaido

Originally posted by: JDub02
What are your core beliefs for this country?

Republicans generally believe in low(taxes, liberty and freedom), and moral family values for you southeners

Socialists .. er Democrats generally believe in high taxes, government control, redistribution of wealth, and moral relativism (where you make up your own morality).

Gee, tough one. I'll go with "R" for 200, please

Fixed

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: Kaido

Originally posted by: JDub02
What are your core beliefs for this country?

Republicans generally believe in low taxes, liberty and freedom, and moral family values

Socialists .. er Democrats generally believe in high taxes, government control, redistribution of wealth, and moral relativism (where you make up your own morality).

Gee, tough one. I'll go with "R" for 200, please

liberty and freedom + "moral family values (read: christian values)" = contradiction

what kind of liberty and freedom do you have if the laws are based on one religion?

 

[ArmchairAthlete]

Originally posted by: Kaido

Originally posted by: JDub02

Originally posted by: ggnl
You don't need any information! If you're rich you vote Republican, if you're poor or a minority you vote Democrat.

No, if you desire to be rich (and are willing to work for it) vote Republican.

If you're poor and want the rich guy in the next neighborhood to be poor as well because it's not fair that he's rich and you're not, vote Democrat. They'll make sure they take all his money and make him as poor as you.

:thumbsup:

 

[SuperTool]

Mods, move this thread to P&N please.

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: ArmchairAthlete

Originally posted by: Kaido

Originally posted by: JDub02

Originally posted by: ggnl
You don't need any information! If you're rich you vote Republican, if you're poor or a minority you vote Democrat.

No, if you desire to be rich (and are willing to work for it) vote Republican.

If you're poor and want the rich guy in the next neighborhood to be poor as well because it's not fair that he's rich and you're not, vote Democrat. They'll make sure they take all his money and make him as poor as you.

:thumbsup:

I desire to be rich, and work for it, which is why I am voting Democrat every time.
Democrat policies, like college grants and loans, social security, medicare is what allowed me to go to a great college full time, instead of working my rear end off just to support myself and my grandparents and their medical expenses. Republicans, at least the honest ones, support dismantling social safety nets. Without those safety nets, I would still be working minimum wage jobs instead of having a high paying jobs and paying lots of taxes.
But hey, if you think not having govt programs to support you when you fall on hard times, or need to go to college, or have a sick family member will make you rich, by all means vote Republican.

 

[ArmchairAthlete]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

I desire to be rich, and work for it, which is why I am voting Democrat every time.
Democrat policies, like college grants and loans, social security, medicare is what allowed me to go to a great college full time, instead of working my rear end off just to support myself and my grandparents and their medical expenses. Republicans, at least the honest ones, support dismantling social safety nets. Without those safety nets, I would still be working minimum wage jobs instead of having a high paying jobs and paying lots of taxes.
But hey, if you think not having govt programs to support you when you fall on hard times, or need to go to college, or have a sick family member will make you rich, by all means vote Republican.

Perhaps you could have made it through school with loans... and it would be easier to pay them off with lower taxes (assuming you got the same good job out of college).

Maybe you used the handouts well, but inevitably many will abuse/waste what they can.

Why didn't the grandparents work early in life to ensure they could retire without problems?

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: ArmchairAthlete

Originally posted by: SuperTool

I desire to be rich, and work for it, which is why I am voting Democrat every time.
Democrat policies, like college grants and loans, social security, medicare is what allowed me to go to a great college full time, instead of working my rear end off just to support myself and my grandparents and their medical expenses. Republicans, at least the honest ones, support dismantling social safety nets. Without those safety nets, I would still be working minimum wage jobs instead of having a high paying jobs and paying lots of taxes.
But hey, if you think not having govt programs to support you when you fall on hard times, or need to go to college, or have a sick family member will make you rich, by all means vote Republican.

Perhaps you could have made it through school with loans... and it would be easier to pay them off with lower taxes (assuming you got the same good job out of college).

Maybe you used the handouts well, but inevitably many will abuse/waste what they can.

Why didn't the grandparents work early in life to ensure they could retire without problems?

They did work early, middle, and late in life, and very hard. When we came to this country their savings weren't worth very much. Perhaps I would have made it with loans, but who would give loans to my grandparents for surgery? If the loans weren't subsidized by the federal government, I would be coming out of school with 150K of loans with high interest. I don't want the government helping me when I have money, I want it helping me when I need help, and I have no problem paying for it when I have money. None. Them's the breaks. If I can't afford shelter, food or medicine, knowing that I will pay less taxes if I am successful is not going to be of much comfort.

 

[DrPizza]

LMAO! This thread confirms what I said earlier.. While you may find enough information to make a concientious vote for president... there are still 10 or 20 other offices to vote for. And

Just do what the majority of the population does, use these criteria:

best hair
easiest name to spell and pronounce
nicest signs and bumper stickers
most signs and bumper stickers - a sign that more people like so and so
vote for who you heard is in the lead, so you can rejoice in having picked the winner (like a horserace)
first name on the ballot
straight party-line (vote for everyone in a certain party)

 

[DT4K]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: ArmchairAthlete

Originally posted by: Kaido

Originally posted by: JDub02

Originally posted by: ggnl
You don't need any information! If you're rich you vote Republican, if you're poor or a minority you vote Democrat.

No, if you desire to be rich (and are willing to work for it) vote Republican.

If you're poor and want the rich guy in the next neighborhood to be poor as well because it's not fair that he's rich and you're not, vote Democrat. They'll make sure they take all his money and make him as poor as you.

:thumbsup:

I desire to be rich, and work for it, which is why I am voting Democrat every time.
Democrat policies, like college grants and loans, social security, medicare is what allowed me to go to a great college full time, instead of working my rear end off just to support myself and my grandparents and their medical expenses. Republicans, at least the honest ones, support dismantling social safety nets. Without those safety nets, I would still be working minimum wage jobs instead of having a high paying jobs and paying lots of taxes.
But hey, if you think not having govt programs to support you when you fall on hard times, or need to go to college, or have a sick family member will make you rich, by all means vote Republican.

You are generalizing far too much.
Very few republicans "support dismantling social safety nets".
What they support is the idea of providing aid only to those who truly need it, not just those who want things to be easy.

 

[Nikamichi]

Originally posted by: Kaido

Originally posted by: JDub02

Originally posted by: ggnl
You don't need any information! If you're rich you vote Republican, if you're poor or a minority you vote Democrat.

No, if you desire to be rich (and are willing to work for it) vote Republican.

If you're poor and want the rich guy in the next neighborhood to be poor as well because it's not fair that he's rich and you're not, vote Democrat. They'll make sure they take all his money and make him as poor as you.

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

Fixed!

 

[skace]

Originally posted by: Shelly21
Get your news like all kids, from The Daily Show.

God bless the daily show! :thumbsup:

 

[skace]

Originally posted by: DT4K
You are generalizing far too much.
Very few republicans "support dismantling social safety nets".
What they support is the idea of providing aid only to those who truly need it, not just those who want things to be easy.

Wait a second.... I thought thats what Democrats wanted! Aid to those who need it! BOTH SIDES WANT THE SAME THING?! *EXPLODES*

 

[DT4K]

Originally posted by: skace

Originally posted by: DT4K
You are generalizing far too much.
Very few republicans "support dismantling social safety nets".
What they support is the idea of providing aid only to those who truly need it, not just those who want things to be easy.

Wait a second.... I thought thats what Democrats wanted! Aid to those who need it! BOTH SIDES WANT THE SAME THING?! *EXPLODES*

They just have a different definition of "need".
Republican definition of need: someone who is physically or psychologically incapable of providing for themselves.
Democrat definition of need: the above, plus anyone who prefers smoking crack or being lazy instead of working.

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: DT4K

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: ArmchairAthlete

Originally posted by: Kaido

Originally posted by: JDub02

Originally posted by: ggnl
You don't need any information! If you're rich you vote Republican, if you're poor or a minority you vote Democrat.

No, if you desire to be rich (and are willing to work for it) vote Republican.

If you're poor and want the rich guy in the next neighborhood to be poor as well because it's not fair that he's rich and you're not, vote Democrat. They'll make sure they take all his money and make him as poor as you.

:thumbsup:

I desire to be rich, and work for it, which is why I am voting Democrat every time.
Democrat policies, like college grants and loans, social security, medicare is what allowed me to go to a great college full time, instead of working my rear end off just to support myself and my grandparents and their medical expenses. Republicans, at least the honest ones, support dismantling social safety nets. Without those safety nets, I would still be working minimum wage jobs instead of having a high paying jobs and paying lots of taxes.
But hey, if you think not having govt programs to support you when you fall on hard times, or need to go to college, or have a sick family member will make you rich, by all means vote Republican.

You are generalizing far too much.
Very few republicans "support dismantling social safety nets".
What they support is the idea of providing aid only to those who truly need it, not just those who want things to be easy.

They do that because they know they wouldn't be electable if they tried to take away those safety nets. The core wouldn't mind shutting down social security for a second.

 

[lokiju]

Originally posted by: minendo
You don't. TV is the only means to acquire such information.

I'm hoping this is sarcasm because if you're idea of the only source for information on who to vote for comes from the TV then that is going to be pretty one sided.

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: DT4K

Originally posted by: skace

Originally posted by: DT4K
You are generalizing far too much.
Very few republicans "support dismantling social safety nets".
What they support is the idea of providing aid only to those who truly need it, not just those who want things to be easy.

Wait a second.... I thought thats what Democrats wanted! Aid to those who need it! BOTH SIDES WANT THE SAME THING?! *EXPLODES*

They just have a different definition of "need".
Republican definition of need: someone who is physically or psychologically incapable of providing for themselves.
Democrat definition of need: the above, plus anyone who prefers smoking crack or being lazy instead of working.

More like:
Democrat definition of need: someone who is physically or psychologically incapable of providing for themselves.
Republican definition of need: the above, plus energy and defense corporations.

 

[DT4K]

Originally posted by: SuperTool
They do that because they know they wouldn't be electable if they tried to take away those safety nets. The core wouldn't mind shutting down social security for a second.

There are people with extreme views on both sides of every issue. That certainly doesn't mean that most republicans want to completely eliminate social security, medicare, or food stamps. Just as most democrats don't actually want redistribution of wealth to the extent that every person in the country has the exact same standard of living.

Sure, public opinion and electability concerns help to moderate extreme viewpoints on both sides. But by and large, most republicans and democrats that are elected to office are elected because they have fairly moderate views in one direction or the other. The extremists never get enough support to make it into office.

Originally posted by: SuperTool
More like:
Democrat definition of need: someone who is physically or psychologically incapable of providing for themselves.
Republican definition of need: the above, plus energy and defense corporations.

Won't argue with you there. I'm not in favor of corporate welfare either. You do have to remember though that these corporations are made up of people. It's not like the money goes to some evil corporate entity. Corporate welfare is essentially welfare for middle class and rich people.

 

[Kaido]

discovered C-Span on TV today

 

[AFB]

Originally posted by: Kaido
discovered C-Span on TV today

It's much more balanced when no one talks.

 

[everman]

Just watch "C" BS

 

[nietsni3]

it s the matter of which one is the less worse , not which one is the better prez

 

[Kaido]

Originally posted by: everman
Just watch "C" BS

:thumbsup: