Where did the Kosher Meat/Dairy separation practice come from?

[CZroe]

I've seen the rules in the Old Testament part of Christian Bibles and I never saw anything about keeping meat and dairy apart nor anything about preparing them in different kitchens or with different utensils. I had never even heard of it until I was about 17 and saw it on TV (almost 12 years ago now). I always just figured that it was only seen in Jewish texts like the Torah, but I recently got curious and looked up Kosher rules on Wikipedia. As expected, most rules pointed to books found in the Old Testament or the Torah, but the meat/dairy thing does not say where it comes from. Is it purely tradition that orthodox Jews follow without question? I would imagine that they would not readily accept more rules... as if there aren't enough rules on what they can/can't eat! How did it become dietary law if it isn't in the Torah (or is it?)?

 

[torpid]

It came from the book of exodus quote stating that one should not cook a goat in its mothers milk.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milk_and_meat

 

[SAWYER]

It's funny how religions pick and choose what to follow

 

[nageov3t]

:music:tradition...:music:

in any event, thank god for it, because kosher meat f'ing rocks... try kosher chicken breasts and you'll never go back.

 

[CZroe]

Ah. Even so, as far as I know, cows are bred for purpose to the point where we have dairy cows for milk and other cows for meat so it's highly unlikely that this could ever happen. I wonder why it was interpreted so strictly, considering the leway that a literal interpretation would grant... like, say, cook steaks from a dairy cow in a pan greased up with butter from it's own milk or from that non-parental herd member or even that of a goat.

Thanks for that.

Edit: There's even a big difference between cooking them together and eating/preparing them together. Even having RAW dairy with meats should be 100% OK.

 

[nageov3t]

FWIW, not all kosher is the same... which is to say, some jews follow it much more strictly and literally than others.

 

[Greenman]

I won't touch a hot dog unless a Rabi say's it's cool.

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: CZroe
I've seen the rules in the Old Testament part of Christian Bibles and I never saw anything about keeping meat and dairy apart nor anything about preparing them in different kitchens or with different utensils. I had never even heard of it until I was about 17 and saw it on TV (almost 12 years ago now). I always just figured that it was only seen in Jewish texts like the Torah, but I recently got curious and looked up Kosher rules on Wikipedia. As expected, most rules pointed to books found in the Old Testament or the Torah, but the meat/dairy thing does not say where it comes from. Is it purely tradition that orthodox Jews follow without question? I would imagine that they would not readily accept more rules... as if there aren't enough rules on what they can/can't eat! How did it become dietary law if it isn't in the Torah (or is it?)?

Old Testament law said you couldn't eat any animal that was "unclean" such as bottom feeders (shrimp) and broken-hooved animals (pigs).

The Jews took off with it and made a billion more man-made laws and totally ran off with the idea going overboard.

Christ, in fulfilling the abrahamic covenant and old testament law, said "do not make unclean what I have made clean" in the new testament. The only people who still abide by the whole "kosher" thing are insanely old-world hebrew-god deists who reject the new testament.

It's all silly.

 

[CallMeJoe]

The meat/milk prohibition is to avoid bacterial cross-contamination. Kosher food practices help protect a nomadic desert tribes with limited resources for elaborate food preservation and preparation (or even lacking water for washing) from food-borne illness.

edit: even the Kosher slaughterhouse rules are designed to prevent bacterial contamination of meat.

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: Greenman
I won't touch a hot dog unless a Rabi say's it's cool.

You know, in Israel, kosher food is more expensive because they have to PAY a rabbi to deem it kosher? The food that's not kosher is even MORE expensive because it's harder to get and nobody buys it.

 

[CZroe]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: CZroe
I've seen the rules in the Old Testament part of Christian Bibles and I never saw anything about keeping meat and dairy apart nor anything about preparing them in different kitchens or with different utensils. I had never even heard of it until I was about 17 and saw it on TV (almost 12 years ago now). I always just figured that it was only seen in Jewish texts like the Torah, but I recently got curious and looked up Kosher rules on Wikipedia. As expected, most rules pointed to books found in the Old Testament or the Torah, but the meat/dairy thing does not say where it comes from. Is it purely tradition that orthodox Jews follow without question? I would imagine that they would not readily accept more rules... as if there aren't enough rules on what they can/can't eat! How did it become dietary law if it isn't in the Torah (or is it?)?

Old Testament law said you couldn't eat any animal that was "unclean" such as bottom feeders (shrimp) and broken-hooved animals (pigs).

The Jews took off with it and made a billion more man-made laws and totally ran off with the idea going overboard.

Christ, in fulfilling the abrahamic covenant and old testament law, said "do not make unclean what I have made clean" in the new testament. The only people who still abide by the whole "kosher" thing are insanely old-world hebrew-god deists who reject the new testament.

It's all silly.

I know the difference between Orthodox and Unorthodox.

Actually, cloven-hoofed animals are generally OK. Pigs are cloven, but they are not OK for two reasons: SPECIFICALLY called "unclean" and they do not chew cud (ruminate).

 

[spaceman]

well i am a gentile butr i like and buy some kosher stuff.
its like usda+1

 

[RapidSnail]

Originally posted by: Nik
Christ, in fulfilling the abrahamic covenant and old testament law, said "do not make unclean what I have made clean" in the new testament. The only people who still abide by the whole "kosher" thing are insanely old-world hebrew-god deists who reject the new testament.

Holy shit! If only the rest of the forum realized this we wouldn't have silly threads like "Why do Christians wear two types of fabric?"

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: RapidSnail

Originally posted by: Nik
Christ, in fulfilling the abrahamic covenant and old testament law, said "do not make unclean what I have made clean" in the new testament. The only people who still abide by the whole "kosher" thing are insanely old-world hebrew-god deists who reject the new testament.

Holy shit! If only the rest of the forum realized this we wouldn't have silly threads like "Why do Christians wear two types of fabric?"

 

[RapidSnail]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: RapidSnail

Originally posted by: Nik
Christ, in fulfilling the abrahamic covenant and old testament law, said "do not make unclean what I have made clean" in the new testament. The only people who still abide by the whole "kosher" thing are insanely old-world hebrew-god deists who reject the new testament.

Holy shit! If only the rest of the forum realized this we wouldn't have silly threads like "Why do Christians wear two types of fabric?"

 

[CZroe]

Originally posted by: RapidSnail

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: RapidSnail

Originally posted by: Nik
Christ, in fulfilling the abrahamic covenant and old testament law, said "do not make unclean what I have made clean" in the new testament. The only people who still abide by the whole "kosher" thing are insanely old-world hebrew-god deists who reject the new testament.

Holy shit! If only the rest of the forum realized this we wouldn't have silly threads like "Why do Christians wear two types of fabric?"

OK, I'll bite: Two types of fabric?

 

[RapidSnail]

Originally posted by: CZroe

Originally posted by: RapidSnail

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: RapidSnail

Originally posted by: Nik
Christ, in fulfilling the abrahamic covenant and old testament law, said "do not make unclean what I have made clean" in the new testament. The only people who still abide by the whole "kosher" thing are insanely old-world hebrew-god deists who reject the new testament.

Holy shit! If only the rest of the forum realized this we wouldn't have silly threads like "Why do Christians wear two types of fabric?"

OK, I'll bite: Two types of fabric?

One of the Jewish laws.

Deuteronomy 22:11

Thou shalt not wear a garment of divers sorts, as of woollen and linen together.

 

[techs]

From askmoses.com (I kid you not)

. The Torah states1, "Do not cook a kid in its' mother's milk".
B. From this prohibition (Negative Mitzvah #187, to be exact), The Rabbis derived the Halachah (Jewish law) that any meat product may not be eaten with any dairy product. (From the same passage is derived Negative Mitzvah #186, which separately prohibits cooking, baking or otherwise mixing meat and dairy products together.)

C. So what's so terrible about eating meat and milk together? What's G-d's problem with it? We don't begin to know the whole of it, and we are glad to do it as a Divine decree!2 Nonetheless, some insight into this decree has been shed and here is a Kabbalistic perspective: milk symbolizes life and meat symbolizes death, and combining the two creates a spiritual clash in the celestial realms both of your soul and in the worlds beyond us.

 

[L00ker]

I don't see why it matters it all ends up in the same place eventually anyways lol

 

[CZroe]

Originally posted by: RapidSnail

Originally posted by: CZroe

Originally posted by: RapidSnail

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: RapidSnail

Originally posted by: Nik
Christ, in fulfilling the abrahamic covenant and old testament law, said "do not make unclean what I have made clean" in the new testament. The only people who still abide by the whole "kosher" thing are insanely old-world hebrew-god deists who reject the new testament.

Holy shit! If only the rest of the forum realized this we wouldn't have silly threads like "Why do Christians wear two types of fabric?"

OK, I'll bite: Two types of fabric?

One of the Jewish laws.

Deuteronomy 22:11

Thou shalt not wear a garment of divers sorts, as of woollen and linen together.

I guess my question really regards the question involving Christians, but I guess you are saying that the justification for not observing Old Testament dietary restrictions doesn't apply here and yet Christians regularly wear Polyester/Cotton blend shirts, denim pants and leather shoes. Did I understand that right?

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: Nik

It's all silly.

Actually it isn't silly.
Those people that followed what the old testament says lived longer and were not prone to the diseases that killed millions of people throughout the centuries.

Maybe that God knew something they didn't.

 

[QueBert]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Greenman
I won't touch a hot dog unless a Rabi say's it's cool.

You know, in Israel, kosher food is more expensive because they have to PAY a rabbi to deem it kosher? The food that's not kosher is even MORE expensive because it's harder to get and nobody buys it.

I'm confused, if non Kosher food is even more expensive due to it being harder to get and nobody wants it. Then by default Kosher food can't be expensive as it's cheaper than the alternative.

 

[RapidSnail]

Originally posted by: CZroe

Originally posted by: RapidSnail

Originally posted by: CZroe

Originally posted by: RapidSnail

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: RapidSnail

Originally posted by: Nik
Christ, in fulfilling the abrahamic covenant and old testament law, said "do not make unclean what I have made clean" in the new testament. The only people who still abide by the whole "kosher" thing are insanely old-world hebrew-god deists who reject the new testament.

Holy shit! If only the rest of the forum realized this we wouldn't have silly threads like "Why do Christians wear two types of fabric?"

OK, I'll bite: Two types of fabric?

One of the Jewish laws.

Deuteronomy 22:11

Thou shalt not wear a garment of divers sorts, as of woollen and linen together.

I guess my question really regards the question involving Christians, but I guess you are saying that the justification for not observing Old Testament dietary restrictions doesn't apply here and yet Christians regularly wear Polyester/Cotton blend shirts, denim pants and leather shoes. Did I understand that right?

I simply meant that criticisms against Christians for not following Jewish law (kosher foods, separating milk and meat, "conflicting" fabrics) do not apply as they do to Jews because of what Nik mentioned. Christ fulfilled the Abrahamic covenant, so Christians have the "new covenant" instead of the old, which the Jewish faith is built upon.

 

[RapidSnail]

Originally posted by: QueBert

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Greenman
I won't touch a hot dog unless a Rabi say's it's cool.

You know, in Israel, kosher food is more expensive because they have to PAY a rabbi to deem it kosher? The food that's not kosher is even MORE expensive because it's harder to get and nobody buys it.

I'm confused, if non Kosher food is even more expensive due to it being harder to get and nobody wants it. Then by default Kosher food can't be expensive as it's cheaper than the alternative.

Paraphrase of Nik's quote:

Kosher food in Israel is more expensive than Kosher food in America
Non-Kosher food in Israel is more expensive than Kosher food in Israel