where can i buy good quality HID (xenon headlights)?

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Zenmervolt

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Originally posted by: rh71
What's the benefit of a REAL HID system ? I'd like to know because the $9 imitation ones illuminated the streets much better than my stock lights already... serious question - why would I want to pay more money ?
No, they don't work better. It's an illusion. The blue tinted bulbs put out less light, and produce more glare. The "improvement" is simply that you see more glare so your brain thinks things are brighter when, in fact, they are not and you're actually getting less light.

http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/bulbs/superwhite/superwhite.html

CLAIM: "Our bulbs produce the whitest and brightest light on the road!"

REALITY: "Brightness" is like "Loudness". It's a subjective perception. Is Metallica " louder " than Bach? Most people would say so. That's why audiologists use an objective measurement, Sound Pressure Level, rather than subjective quantities like "volume" and "loudness". And so it is in the science of light. "Bright" and "Dim" are subjective perceptions. Intensity, measured in any of several precisely-defined and scientific ways, is the only real way to gauge or compare output of a light source or performance of a lamp equipped with a light source. A 4-watt flashlight bulb dipped in the purple coating applied to these tinted headlamp bulbs would look "whiter", and might look "brighter", but would produce less light. And so it is with these headlamp bulbs.

The reason why the scam fools people into thinking their headlamps really work better has to do with the interaction of light that is tinted blue (to any degree) with the human eye. This kind of light has been shown in rigidly-controlled scientific studies to create almost 50% more glare than untinted light from a bulb with clear glass. But there's no 50% increase in seeing to go along with the extra glare; there's no increase in seeing at all, and in most cases there is a moderate reduction in actual seeing light. More glare, less seeing: Everybody loses.

CLAIM: Many of these bulbs are sold with claims of specific "color temperature" (e.g. "5000K"). Often, these ratings are accompanied by text to the effect that higher color temperatures are "close to natural daylight".

REALITY: Color Temperature is a real measure, but it is being improperly used to claim improved seeing. Legitimate bulb manufacturers do catalogue the color temperature of their products in technical literature not usually distributed to consumers, because scientists and engineers can use it as a convenient proxy indicator for filament luminance. But it has no predictive value for the performance of an automotive headlamp, nor does it indicate how well you'll be able to see. The idea being sold with these "Kelvin ratings" is that the light is closer to natural sunlight. As with many sales claims, there is a small kernel of truth here, but it's cancelled out by the smoke and mirrors. Noonday sunlight does have a much higher color temperature than most uncoated headlamp bulbs, but there are a great many other differences between sunlight and headlamp light, as well. Not only that, but the Color Temperature rating is really valid only at extremely high light intensity, such as that produced by the sun. At the lower intensities produced by most electric lamps including headlamps, the rating no longer says much about the light, but only allows a limited, referential comparison of different light colors. The tinted bulbs' poor imitation of the color of sunlight does not mean that the headlamp output is "just like sunlight", or anything even close. As with the wattage equivalence claims discussed above, a color-based comparison is being used to imply an intensity and seeing-ability comparison that does not exist.

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rh71

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ZV, I can succumb to that fact, but how come I can still see further down the road ? <-- truth. I mean, that's really all I care about.

I've had to re-install my stock lights because one of the "HIDs" burned out after a couple years... and I notice a difference in distance (not that it's a big deal, but it doesn't help).
 

Aharami

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Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
Originally posted by: Aharami
wow. i didnt know this thread attracted this many replies! thanks all for your inputs. i was checking out http://hidforum.com and HID retrofit kits are illegal in the US. also the site i was considering buying from, people at HID forums said is no good.

so all in all, will i still put on a HID kit on my car? i dunno yet. but i know that i wont worry about it till summer when i have some money to spare.
If your car had a factory HID option I believe that would be legal, but it would be much more expensive. For example, my '95 Mark VIII does not have HID headlights, but they were a factory option for that year so if I were to order a set of factory HID units from Ford, they would be legal to install. Just for heaven's sake do not get JDM (Japanese Domestic Market) HID's, remember that Japan is right-hand-drive so JDM headlights will be aimed for RHD cars which causes gigantic glare problems for oncoming drivers when used in LHD countries. Also, the beam pattern won't give you proper vision from a driver's standpoint.

ZV

yea, if i buy HID's its gonna be american made or german made (LHD).
 

Zenmervolt

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Originally posted by: rh71
ZV, I can succumb to that fact, but how come I can still see further down the road ? <-- truth. I mean, that's really all I care about.
Aim. Pure and simple. I perceived a "doubling" of the light output of the halogen lamps in my Mark VIII (the lights are infamous for poor low beam performance) just by taking the time to aim them properly. Most of the cars on the road have their headlights mis-aligned, it's just that in many cases the misalignment isn't such that it causes problems for oncoming drivers.

The blue of fake HID halogen bulbs is a tint. A tint reduces light output. Unless wattage is also increased with the tinting, the tinted bulb will produce less light than an identical un-tinted bulb. In the US, Sylvania Xtra-Vision non-tinted bulbs tend to produce the most lumens at road-legal wattages.

ZV
 

rh71

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Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
Originally posted by: rh71
ZV, I can succumb to that fact, but how come I can still see further down the road ? <-- truth. I mean, that's really all I care about.
Aim. Pure and simple. I perceived a "doubling" of the light output of the halogen lamps in my Mark VIII (the lights are infamous for poor low beam performance) just by taking the time to aim them properly. Most of the cars on the road have their headlights mis-aligned, it's just that in many cases the misalignment isn't such that it causes problems for oncoming drivers.

The blue of fake HID halogen bulbs is a tint. A tint reduces light output. Unless wattage is also increased with the tinting, the tinted bulb will produce less light than an identical un-tinted bulb. In the US, Sylvania Xtra-Vision non-tinted bulbs tend to produce the most lumens at road-legal wattages.

ZV
It was a casing I inserted the new bulb into. The casing was already pre-aimed and I couldn't move it unless I unscrewed something (which is a good thing since I didn't want to accidentally misalign it in the first place). Are you saying the bulb can aim itself differently ?

 

Aharami

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Originally posted by: rh71
Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
Originally posted by: rh71
ZV, I can succumb to that fact, but how come I can still see further down the road ? <-- truth. I mean, that's really all I care about.
Aim. Pure and simple. I perceived a "doubling" of the light output of the halogen lamps in my Mark VIII (the lights are infamous for poor low beam performance) just by taking the time to aim them properly. Most of the cars on the road have their headlights mis-aligned, it's just that in many cases the misalignment isn't such that it causes problems for oncoming drivers.

The blue of fake HID halogen bulbs is a tint. A tint reduces light output. Unless wattage is also increased with the tinting, the tinted bulb will produce less light than an identical un-tinted bulb. In the US, Sylvania Xtra-Vision non-tinted bulbs tend to produce the most lumens at road-legal wattages.

ZV
It was a casing I inserted the new bulb into. The casing was already pre-aimed and I couldn't move it unless I unscrewed something (which is a good thing since I didn't want to accidentally misalign it in the first place). Are you saying the bulb can aim itself differently ?

u got a good point there. well i just checked out my friend's 5000K HID that he retrofitted into his 02 altima. looks damn swweet i must say. and also, it definately lights up the road better than halogens. also, his didnt have quite a glare..tested this out by us driving toward each other....looks like regular HIDs that u see on upscale cars