What 2gb-4gb of ram would you recommend for this board?
Would you go for 800 ddr2 or 1060 ddr2?
Thank you.
What 2gb-4gb of ram would you recommend for this board?
Would you go for 800 ddr2 or 1060 ddr2?
Thank you.
Mr TheBeagle, you have a point with all these. However my fault is that I didn't mention that i have tried in all my efforts till now to set the vcore up to 1.4 if I remember correctly (because i wanted to make sure that vdroop won't exist and I also didn't want to fry any cpu) and I have also set my memory multiplier so that the memory ran either close to 800 or close to 1066 (eg. 817 or 1100 mhz) However, the same thing happened again. Fsb automatically dropped at 267. I too have reached to a conclusion that something like a safety mechanism must be the problem and that it may happens because of the memory sticks (OCZ ar a pain in the ash* for some boards lately as far as I am concerned). I'll try with your recommended settings and see if I have any success. Thanx again for your assistance.
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Good Morning Everyone.
In response to Mr. Cruxton's inquiry, I have successfully used both Crucial Ballistix PC-8500 1GB sticks and G.Skill PC8000 2GB sticks. Right now I'm using 4 x 2GB = 8GB sticks of G.Skill PC8000 in my rig with Vista 64 Ultimate. The full 8GB of memory in the 64 bit OS makes the system hum right along and has significantly reduced the hard disk thrashing due to page file access. No matter how many programs I load, I seem to never get above 70% of the total RAM memory utilization - it works! BTW, those 2GB sticks of G.Skill memory are VERY reasonably priced at Newegg.com!
I know that some folks are fascinated by trying to squeeze the last drop of speed out of their memory sticks, usually just to see how it works, and to be able top say they did it. However, my favorable experience is in a different direction, namely to apply a REASONABLE OC to the memory, but never exceed the stability threshold, and then tweak the CPU to achieve some more performance. I have always found that pushing the memory too far is the primary cause of crashes, and obviously cancels out any improvements that you might otherwise be able to achieve with a CPU tweak. The primary principle of OCing is that if the memory is not stable, the rest of your efforts won't make a damn bit of difference!
Hope that's of some assistance to your inquiry. Best regards to everyone. TheBeagle
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In response to Mr. Cruxton's inquiry, I have successfully used both Crucial Ballistix PC-8500 1GB sticks and G.Skill PC8000 2GB sticks. Right now I'm using 4 x 2GB = 8GB sticks of G.Skill PC8000 in my rig with Vista 64 Ultimate. The full 8GB of memory in the 64 bit OS makes the system hum right along and has significantly reduced the hard disk thrashing due to page file access. No matter how many programs I load, I seem to never get above 70% of the total RAM memory utilization - it works! BTW, those 2GB sticks of G.Skill memory are VERY reasonably priced at Newegg.com!
I know that some folks are fascinated by trying to squeeze the last drop of speed out of their memory sticks, usually just to see how it works, and to be able top say they did it. However, my favorable experience is in a different direction, namely to apply a REASONABLE OC to the memory, but never exceed the stability threshold, and then tweak the CPU to achieve some more performance. I have always found that pushing the memory too far is the primary cause of crashes, and obviously cancels out any improvements that you might otherwise be able to achieve with a CPU tweak. The primary principle of OCing is that if the memory is not stable, the rest of your efforts won't make a damn bit of difference!
Hope that's of some assistance to your inquiry. Best regards to everyone. TheBeagle
:beer:Opinions please!
I am getting a new GA-x38-DQ6 Gigabyte mobo and will be installing a Theralright ULTIMA-90 cpu cooler.
Therefore I will be removing the CrazyCool, but I have considered carefully cutting it into two pieces and re-mounting the piece that goes under the Northbridge X38 instead of using two screws.
So would it be worth it (cooling wise) to do this or should I just leave it all off?
I am getting a new GA-x38-DQ6 Gigabyte mobo and will be installing a Theralright ULTIMA-90 cpu cooler.
Therefore I will be removing the CrazyCool, but I have considered carefully cutting it into two pieces and re-mounting the piece that goes under the Northbridge X38 instead of using two screws.
So would it be worth it (cooling wise) to do this or should I just leave it all off?
Now that I have the board in my hands, I agree that the best thing is to just take the whole thing off.
The Northbridge piece of the CrazyCool doesn't look like it even touches the motherboard.
Maybe just at the 4 corners.
So I believe your assessment is correct - that I would gain minimal cooling gains.
Plus, like you said, if I need to RMA it I will still be able to.
Thank you for the response Blazer7.
The Northbridge piece of the CrazyCool doesn't look like it even touches the motherboard.
Maybe just at the 4 corners.
So I believe your assessment is correct - that I would gain minimal cooling gains.
Plus, like you said, if I need to RMA it I will still be able to.
Thank you for the response Blazer7.
Hi folks. I have just read this entire thread and have found it great. I am definitely planning on buying this board in December for my new computer build. But where I am torn (and probably need to research this a bit more) is which graphics card type to go for. I was thinking about one of the new 8800GT series since it is so affordable and has PCI-E 2.0. But if I was to get one of the ATI crossfire compliant models (that is also PCI-E 2.0 compliant) then down the road after I have recovered from the $ i used in the new system, I could pick up the same ATI card much cheaper for use as crossfire.
I just know very little about the ATI cards and had been sold that I should buy the best single card solution I can afford (makes sense so I was going to get a 8800GT). But have others thought about buying ATI crossfire compliant equivalent (like the 3870) and then 6 months down the road pick one off Ebay at a huge discount that would blow the single Nividia card away! Or is the performance of the 8800GT close enough to two crossfire models to not worry about this (and eliminate some hassle with install, heat, compatibility)? I guess in away this could be a method of future proofing the graphics ability.
Thanks,
I just know very little about the ATI cards and had been sold that I should buy the best single card solution I can afford (makes sense so I was going to get a 8800GT). But have others thought about buying ATI crossfire compliant equivalent (like the 3870) and then 6 months down the road pick one off Ebay at a huge discount that would blow the single Nividia card away! Or is the performance of the 8800GT close enough to two crossfire models to not worry about this (and eliminate some hassle with install, heat, compatibility)? I guess in away this could be a method of future proofing the graphics ability.
Thanks,
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Hello Mr. Panzer.
If I were you, I'd seriously consider this video card: Gigabyte 8800GT @ Clubit.com. It will work like a charm in your X38 board, and deliver outstanding performance and stability. Enjoy. TheBeagle :beer:
If I were you, I'd seriously consider this video card: Gigabyte 8800GT @ Clubit.com. It will work like a charm in your X38 board, and deliver outstanding performance and stability. Enjoy. TheBeagle
:beer:Thanks Mr. Beagle. I've pretty much decided on the 8800GT. Since we will have almost the same system, I took note of your OC settings to be safe. Because I will also use the new build for some serious HD video editing, I will be getting the 32 bit version of Vista for now and wait till all the drivers are released before upgrading to the 64 bit version. A video editing forum I frequent does not recommend it.
I currently have an Enermax 480 watt power supply (top of the line 3 years ago). Do you think this will be enough power for my new system? I know it is a quality unit but should I even try to use this?
I'm a little confused about cooling solutions as well. I read a post above about someone using the Zalman 9700 and didn't have to remove the stock Crazy cool unit. I think this is what I will try as I think it may help to leave it alone and I woud rather not butcher the MB (afraid I may break something).
I currently have an Enermax 480 watt power supply (top of the line 3 years ago). Do you think this will be enough power for my new system? I know it is a quality unit but should I even try to use this?
I'm a little confused about cooling solutions as well. I read a post above about someone using the Zalman 9700 and didn't have to remove the stock Crazy cool unit. I think this is what I will try as I think it may help to leave it alone and I woud rather not butcher the MB (afraid I may break something).
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Good Morning Mr. Panzer.
I would recommend that you reconsider your preliminary choice of Vista 32 for your OS. Of course, there's nothing wrong with Vista 32, but it has inherent limitations that will ultimately work against you. For instance, since you are going to be doing some heavy duty video editing, that means you will likely have some memory hog applications running in RAM at the same time. A 32 bit OS has an absolute limitation of 4GB of RAM memory, and that theoretical amount is further reduced by the memory that is utilized by the various components in the system. With 4GB of RAM in a 32 bit system, you will be very lucky to have a net of 3.25GB of memory to work with. That will also result in some significant disk IO, since the paging file will surely get a work out in such a situation.
May I suggest that you load Vista 64 from the beginning (if you load Vista 32, there's NO way to upgrade it to Vista 64 without wiping out your C drive and doing a complete fresh install). You also should consider investing in 8GB of memory. I am presently using 4 x 2GB sticks of G.Skill PC8000 in my rig, and it works very well. You can buy that memory from the Egg here: Newegg.com G.Skill PC8000
As far as a PSU is concerned, your Enermax unit might be suitable, but that depends on what other stuff you put in your box. If you have 3 or 4 hard drives, several optical disks, a few other items, i.e. a TV tuner card, etc, that PSU probably won't cut it. I've been using ThermalTake ToughPower (Modular Cables) PSUs and presently run the ToughPower 850 in my rig. It works exceptionally well, and is not anywhere near its useful limit (and that's with 6 hard drives, 3 optical drives, TV tuner, 8800GTX, 8GB RAM, 6 Fans, eSATA card, 2xUSB cards, etc.). In the world of PSUs, having a PSU with significantly extra capacity will reduce the stress factor on all the electrical loads in the PC, and the PSU will run much cooler, since you're not working the crap out of it.
I also use the Zalman 9700 (that might have been my previous post that you read on that), and all you have to do is simply take a sharp hobby knife and cut the four corners off the plastic bottom plate (keep you fingers out of the way of the knife blade!), then shave the cut-off corners down a bit more, and they will fit right along with the Cray-Cool bottom plate. Works like a charm! The is NO NEED to remove any part of the stock cooling components from the board. BTW, if you do remove any part of those stock cooling components from the board, don't expect to be ever successful in attempting to send the board back to Gigabyte for a RMA repair, since they will automatically reject the board as being modified!
Good Luck and enjoy your new rig. Best regards to everyone - Blessed Christmas! TheBeagle :beer:
I would recommend that you reconsider your preliminary choice of Vista 32 for your OS. Of course, there's nothing wrong with Vista 32, but it has inherent limitations that will ultimately work against you. For instance, since you are going to be doing some heavy duty video editing, that means you will likely have some memory hog applications running in RAM at the same time. A 32 bit OS has an absolute limitation of 4GB of RAM memory, and that theoretical amount is further reduced by the memory that is utilized by the various components in the system. With 4GB of RAM in a 32 bit system, you will be very lucky to have a net of 3.25GB of memory to work with. That will also result in some significant disk IO, since the paging file will surely get a work out in such a situation.
May I suggest that you load Vista 64 from the beginning (if you load Vista 32, there's NO way to upgrade it to Vista 64 without wiping out your C drive and doing a complete fresh install). You also should consider investing in 8GB of memory. I am presently using 4 x 2GB sticks of G.Skill PC8000 in my rig, and it works very well. You can buy that memory from the Egg here: Newegg.com G.Skill PC8000
As far as a PSU is concerned, your Enermax unit might be suitable, but that depends on what other stuff you put in your box. If you have 3 or 4 hard drives, several optical disks, a few other items, i.e. a TV tuner card, etc, that PSU probably won't cut it. I've been using ThermalTake ToughPower (Modular Cables) PSUs and presently run the ToughPower 850 in my rig. It works exceptionally well, and is not anywhere near its useful limit (and that's with 6 hard drives, 3 optical drives, TV tuner, 8800GTX, 8GB RAM, 6 Fans, eSATA card, 2xUSB cards, etc.). In the world of PSUs, having a PSU with significantly extra capacity will reduce the stress factor on all the electrical loads in the PC, and the PSU will run much cooler, since you're not working the crap out of it.
I also use the Zalman 9700 (that might have been my previous post that you read on that), and all you have to do is simply take a sharp hobby knife and cut the four corners off the plastic bottom plate (keep you fingers out of the way of the knife blade!), then shave the cut-off corners down a bit more, and they will fit right along with the Cray-Cool bottom plate. Works like a charm! The is NO NEED to remove any part of the stock cooling components from the board. BTW, if you do remove any part of those stock cooling components from the board, don't expect to be ever successful in attempting to send the board back to Gigabyte for a RMA repair, since they will automatically reject the board as being modified!
Good Luck and enjoy your new rig. Best regards to everyone - Blessed Christmas! TheBeagle
:beer:Hi Mr. Beagle,
G.SKILL 4GB(2 x 2GB) DDR2 1000 (PC2 8000) RAM you suggested - 180$ on newegg.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16820231145
8gigs therefore cost 2x 180$ = $360
G.SKILL 4GB(2 x 2GB) DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) - 110$ on newegg.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...&Tpk=F2-6400CL5D-4GBPQ
8gigs therefore cost 2x 110$ = $220
I don't know how much the performance difference is.
G.SKILL 4GB(2 x 2GB) DDR2 1000 (PC2 8000) RAM you suggested - 180$ on newegg.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16820231145
8gigs therefore cost 2x 180$ = $360
G.SKILL 4GB(2 x 2GB) DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) - 110$ on newegg.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...&Tpk=F2-6400CL5D-4GBPQ
8gigs therefore cost 2x 110$ = $220
I don't know how much the performance difference is.
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Good Evening Mr. Endelm.
Thanks for the second link for the PC2 6400 memory sticks. However, I would never recommend that level of memory stick for use in an advanced board like the X38. I presumed from Mr. Panzer's comments that he fully intended to OC his board, at least to some degree. Therefore, he will all the headroom for his memory sticks that he can get in order not to max them out below the potential of his CPU, or burn them up trying - LOL!
Obviously, if someone has no intention of OCing their CPU, then I suppose using a medium level memory stick would work OK. Considering the fact that you can get 8GB of reasonably high performance memory for less than $400.00 USD is quite remarkable. This is especially true when you compare it to DDR3 high performance memory, some of which goes for between $400-600 USD for just 2GB. That is even more important when you consider that DDR3 memory is less than 5% more efficient than DDR2 stuff, and it costs almost 3x as much.
Mr. Panzer will have to make whatever decisions his budget can afford, but the old cliché about being "penny rich and pound foolish" is especially true when you are trying to build a rig for some reasonable future longevity. Again, thanks for the posting.
Best regards to everyone - Merry Christmas! TheBeagle :beer:
Thanks for the second link for the PC2 6400 memory sticks. However, I would never recommend that level of memory stick for use in an advanced board like the X38. I presumed from Mr. Panzer's comments that he fully intended to OC his board, at least to some degree. Therefore, he will all the headroom for his memory sticks that he can get in order not to max them out below the potential of his CPU, or burn them up trying - LOL!
Obviously, if someone has no intention of OCing their CPU, then I suppose using a medium level memory stick would work OK. Considering the fact that you can get 8GB of reasonably high performance memory for less than $400.00 USD is quite remarkable. This is especially true when you compare it to DDR3 high performance memory, some of which goes for between $400-600 USD for just 2GB. That is even more important when you consider that DDR3 memory is less than 5% more efficient than DDR2 stuff, and it costs almost 3x as much.
Mr. Panzer will have to make whatever decisions his budget can afford, but the old cliché about being "penny rich and pound foolish" is especially true when you are trying to build a rig for some reasonable future longevity. Again, thanks for the posting.
Best regards to everyone - Merry Christmas! TheBeagle
:beer:Does anybody know how many kg this mb is?
I can't seem to find it on it's homepage:
http://www.gigabyte.us/Product...ec.aspx?ProductID=2599
Can anybody rip the mb board out of your computer (disconnect all hard drives, cables and cards) and put it on the weighing scale?
P.S. I'm joking.
I can't seem to find it on it's homepage:
http://www.gigabyte.us/Product...ec.aspx?ProductID=2599
Can anybody rip the mb board out of your computer (disconnect all hard drives, cables and cards) and put it on the weighing scale?
P.S. I'm joking.
The f7f BIOS is out today, still a beta BIOS!
Since the F7 series BIOS I've heard that there is an increase in overclocking with this Mobo.
The F7f BIOS fixes the PCIe 4x Bug !!!!
I would like to see more fixes and flixability when using 4 sticks of RAM !
Since the F7 series BIOS I've heard that there is an increase in overclocking with this Mobo.
The F7f BIOS fixes the PCIe 4x Bug !!!!
I would like to see more fixes and flixability when using 4 sticks of RAM !
Does this CPU fan work on this mobo?
ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro 92mm CPU Cooler
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16835186134
ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro 92mm CPU Cooler
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16835186134
F7F? On the Gigabyte US website, F6B is still stated as the most recent BIOS. Wouldn't it be prudent to have a F6 final before starting to throw around F7 beta BIOSes?
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Good Morning Mr. Sal.
Thanks for the tip on a newer BIOS revision (F7f). However, where did you learn about that version, since Gigabyte still only has the F6b version posted on their Taiwan and USA web sites? I had occasion to try the F7c version about 10 days ago, and it didn't work worth a damn - since it caused the CPU cooling fan to constantly run at full speed. Please let me know WHERE I can obtain the F7f BIOS revision so I can give that version a try. Thanks. Best regards to everyone - Blessed Christmas! TheBeagle :beer:
Thanks for the tip on a newer BIOS revision (F7f). However, where did you learn about that version, since Gigabyte still only has the F6b version posted on their Taiwan and USA web sites? I had occasion to try the F7c version about 10 days ago, and it didn't work worth a damn - since it caused the CPU cooling fan to constantly run at full speed. Please let me know WHERE I can obtain the F7f BIOS revision so I can give that version a try. Thanks. Best regards to everyone - Blessed Christmas! TheBeagle
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Blazer7
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Mr Cruxton,
Arctic cooling claims that the freezer 7 pro performs the same no matter how you install it. Since the orientation is not a factor the only thing that should be considered are the dimensions of the freezer. The freezer?s width is 107mm at its broader point but since I don?t have your mobo I?m not in a position to tell whether it will fit or not. Of course, you can always measure the space around the cpu socket and find out for yourself. I guess that If the freezer fits then it will probably be a tight fit and this is never a good thing. I would consider getting a Thermalight or a Zalman instead, like the 9700 maybe. The 9700 is very popular here in the forums and as Mr Beagle explained a few posts ago, it only needs a slight modification to fit your mobo.
Arctic cooling claims that the freezer 7 pro performs the same no matter how you install it. Since the orientation is not a factor the only thing that should be considered are the dimensions of the freezer. The freezer?s width is 107mm at its broader point but since I don?t have your mobo I?m not in a position to tell whether it will fit or not. Of course, you can always measure the space around the cpu socket and find out for yourself. I guess that If the freezer fits then it will probably be a tight fit and this is never a good thing. I would consider getting a Thermalight or a Zalman instead, like the 9700 maybe. The 9700 is very popular here in the forums and as Mr Beagle explained a few posts ago, it only needs a slight modification to fit your mobo.
Originally posted by: TheBeagle
Good Morning Mr. Sal.
Thanks for the tip on a newer BIOS revision (F7f). However, where did you learn about that version, since Gigabyte still only has the F6b version posted on their Taiwan and USA web sites? I had occasion to try the F7c version about 10 days ago, and it didn't work worth a damn - since it caused the CPU cooling fan to constantly run at full speed. Please let me know WHERE I can obtain the F7f BIOS revision so I can give that version a try. Thanks. Best regards to everyone - Blessed Christmas! TheBeagle
I tried to get my self a copy of that BIOS but I can't get my hand on what ever I do......
From what I've heard though......it is not worth it yet....
Still all the F7 BIOSes are Buggy as Hell and it is better to use F6B at the moment !
Cruxton,
I have the Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 on my GA-X36-DQ6 and it fits OK. The fan cage just clears the memory in the 1st slot. I can insert/remove memory without removing the fan with a bit of a fiddle. The fan and its cage does unclip easily anyway which gives easy access to the 1st memory slot.
If you have memory with tall cooling fins it might foul on the fan cage: I'd have to look inside to be certain but it's not on this computer so I can't look for you just now. Hope this helps.
OK I got the ThermalTake V1 HSF and let me tell you...it is a nice hardware indeed!
Now I tried to overclock....but let me tell you I'm not new to the overclocking world, I've been overclocking since the days of Pentium 1 !
Any way, I found a strange behavior from the motherboard that I can't find an answer to, if I leave the BIOS at deafault settings and manually run the RAM (which is 4x1 GB DDR2 1066 Kingston) at it's rated speed of 1066MHz the PC would work normally with my E6850!
But if I try to overclock the CPU into 9x400 MHz = 3.6 GHz with 1.4v leaving the RAM to run @ DDR2 800 and normal voltage it will work fine and I ran Orthos for 2 hours with no problem and the temp never reached higher than 56c.
Now if I try to force my RAM to run at rated 1066 and manually overvolt it in BIOS to 2.1 or 2.2 to run at that default rated speed, the pc would boot but as soon as I get into windows I get greeted with a nice Blue screen and dumping memory error !!!!!!
Any ideas !?!?!?!?!
Now I tried to overclock....but let me tell you I'm not new to the overclocking world, I've been overclocking since the days of Pentium 1 !
Any way, I found a strange behavior from the motherboard that I can't find an answer to, if I leave the BIOS at deafault settings and manually run the RAM (which is 4x1 GB DDR2 1066 Kingston) at it's rated speed of 1066MHz the PC would work normally with my E6850!
But if I try to overclock the CPU into 9x400 MHz = 3.6 GHz with 1.4v leaving the RAM to run @ DDR2 800 and normal voltage it will work fine and I ran Orthos for 2 hours with no problem and the temp never reached higher than 56c.
Now if I try to force my RAM to run at rated 1066 and manually overvolt it in BIOS to 2.1 or 2.2 to run at that default rated speed, the pc would boot but as soon as I get into windows I get greeted with a nice Blue screen and dumping memory error !!!!!!
Any ideas !?!?!?!?!
eklock2000
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WTF Beagle...where's the "where are all the X48 Boards thread"? What r ya slackin' over there.
Breakin' the 5.0 Ghz barrier baby...455x11
http://en.hardspell.com/doc/sh...ws_id=1958&pageid=2144
Q9770 on an X48.
Keep up the great posts ppls.
Sorry to hear about Gary...
Peace,
EK2K
Breakin' the 5.0 Ghz barrier baby...455x11
http://en.hardspell.com/doc/sh...ws_id=1958&pageid=2144
Q9770 on an X48.
Keep up the great posts ppls.
Sorry to hear about Gary...
Peace,
EK2K
Ok this is annoying I tried BIOS f6b and what ever I do as soon as I overclock the CPU the motherboard will not run the RAM at 1066 MHz in a stable way !!!!!!!!!!!!
Am I missing something here !!
Am I missing something here !!
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