Where are the Conroe boards from the likes of Nvidia and ATI?

[Duvie]

Just want to know to see if I will try my hads on another mobo before I rule that this E6600 is a dud for what I want....I wanted 3.6ghz at 10% max vcore...I cannot get it so I am either going to get another E6600 to try again, an E6300 (but have concerns the mobo and ram will limit me from getting 3.6ghz), or get a 975x mobo and try this E6600....


I am disappointed y this whole conroe launch.,...Here it is months after the officially arrival of the chips to many and we have very limited number of boards to choose from...most buggy as heck!

 

[Mr Fox]

Originally posted by: Duvie
Just want to know to see if I will try my hads on another mobo before I rule that this E6600 is a dud for what I want....I wanted 3.6ghz at 10% max vcore...I cannot get it so I am either going to get another E6600 to try again, an E6300 (but have concerns the mobo and ram will limit me from getting 3.6ghz), or get a 975x mobo and try this E6600....


I am disappointed y this whole conroe launch.,...Here it is months after the officially arrival of the chips to many and we have very limited number of boards to choose from...most buggy as heck!

You should Know that in Motherboards..... You Get What You Pay For.......
You did better with that Board than 90% of the rest of the world... and that is not a Bad Number at All !!

But If You Really want something Special ASUS D5W Premium, and Deluxe are the Ticket...... Or ABIT's New MAX....

ATI/AMD RD 600 is out there maybe the first of the Year but INTEL has tugged ATI's Plug for any further chipsets in light of the merger.

The First NVIDIA/SLI Chipset was Piss Poor .... There should be Engineering Samples of the New Chipset soon...

 

[Skott]

People are getting 3.6 in some cases but there are no gurantees. I'd say your best chances are the P5B-Deluxe (or the new P5B-E) or the P5W DH. There is another mobo that the overclockers are recently raving about but its pricey. The P5W64-WS Pro is supposedly getting 460fsb out of the box without any extra increases in voltage or anything. On air cooling to boot. Hearing users talk about it its better than the P5W DH and the P5B Deluxe for stability and overclocking. Its a workstation mobo but it has 4 (yes, I said 4) PCIe and 2PCI slots. Its CF ready and it can do SLI with the hack drivers. Downside? Close to $300. But for $300 it should beat the other mobos IMHO.

Btw, a 3.2 overclock isnt a dud. Far far from it. IMO a dud proc is a proc that wont work at all or at best wont overclock at all past its stock speed. You do not have a dud IMO.

 

[Duvie]

The gigabyte S3 mobo I got for my friend boots at 480 and passes prime now with 466 fine.....however it that case it is a E6300 chip and so that high of fsb doesn't make much more then I got now....The added cache of the e6600 outweighs often a 200mhz higher OC from a 6400 or 6300...

 

[n7]

WTF...

I'm not sure what you were expecting, but 3.2 GHz isn't bad.

I never get how people can call an 800 Mhz OC a dud

BTW, if you want to get serious about OCing E6600s, skip the Gigabyte DS3/S3.
The P5B Deluxe is likely the best overall OCing mobo out there (hence why i got mine ), but for E6600s, high FSB isn't really necessary, so the 975X mobos might be better options.

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: n7
WTF...

I'm not sure what you were expecting, but 3.2 GHz isn't bad.

I never get how people can call an 800 Mhz OC a dud

BTW, if you want to get serious about OCing E6600s, skip the Gigabyte DS3/S3.
The P5B Deluxe is likely the best overall OCing mobo out there (hence why i got mine ), but for E6600s, high FSB isn't really necessary, so the 975X mobos might be better options.

exactly.....but I am hesitant about wanting to spend 240+ dollars....I can get another E6300 and S3 mobo and hit 3.2ghz for that price....seems like a waste for a few extra bucks...

That is why I want to know where the other boards are at, so we dont have to take it in th shorts to pay for overpriced Asus stuff...

 

[Gannon]

Originally posted by: Duvie

Originally posted by: n7
WTF...

I'm not sure what you were expecting, but 3.2 GHz isn't bad.

I never get how people can call an 800 Mhz OC a dud

BTW, if you want to get serious about OCing E6600s, skip the Gigabyte DS3/S3.
The P5B Deluxe is likely the best overall OCing mobo out there (hence why i got mine ), but for E6600s, high FSB isn't really necessary, so the 975X mobos might be better options.

exactly.....but I am hesitant about wanting to spend 240+ dollars....I can get another E6300 and S3 mobo and hit 3.2ghz for that price....seems like a waste for a few extra bucks...

That is why I want to know where the other boards are at, so we dont have to take it in th shorts to pay for overpriced Asus stuff...

The only way you're going to get higher overclocks is by going by better boards or waiting for newer proc's or newer steppings. O/C'ing is a gamble, if you try to do it on the cheap, you get what you deserve.

 

[Duvie]

Please ppl dont lecture me on the YMMV...I know this better then most......


I know the crap shoot but I have long been able to obtain some of the highest OCs without having to pay the ridiculous premiums for Asus products.....

This 965 chipset with an E6300 and E6400 is just as capable as an Asus mobo for 1/2 the cost. the problem is the too low of multiplier, lack of lower ram dividers, and eventually 500fsb...tough for any of the boards to hit consistently so thinking of 3.6ghz that route becomes limited by other factors then cpu itself.


I bet from seeing on other boards I can play the game and maybe get a nice E6600 that can hit 3.6+ghz, but just perhpas not on current versions of the 965 chipsets....3.6ghz was a reasonable goal not achieved....400fsb is reasonable clock that most of the gigabytes do fine....so it was conceivable at time of purchase this was obtainable with a bit of vcore....There is obviously a hangup this boartd has with the 4mb cache version C2Ds...There has been bio updates stating increased ocing ability for E6600-E6700...obviously a known problem....maybe waiting game solves some of the that as well....

Unless it is just a plain power issue of the board with the 4mb cache version chips it could eventually be corrected or helped along....unless Gigabyte shitecans it for updated hardware...

I would really like to see an Nvidia or ATI enthusaist board...

 

[Thor86]

LOL, 975X board for under $150.00. Dream on, Intel charges $100.00 straightup to motherboard manufacturers for this chipset alone, so I don't think you will see that price point for a while to come.

I'm hoping DFI will come out with their ATI enthusiast chipset motherboard solution and have different models like their Lanparty series.

 

[SniperWulf]

Dude, the P5B Deluxe is less that $200 now.

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=247117

For the cost difference between that and a DS3, I'd say its well worth it considering how much more stable the Asus is. BTW, I just made that same swap just last week. Although I'm only using E6400 CPUs, it was much much easier for me to hit 3.2Ghz on the P5B than i was on the DS3.

 

[zephyrprime]

New chip designs are a lot less realiable for overclocking than the chips that have been around for a while so what do you expect?

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: SniperWulf
Dude, the P5B Deluxe is less that $200 now.

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=247117

For the cost difference between that and a DS3, I'd say its well worth it considering how much more stable the Asus is. BTW, I just made that same swap just last week. Although I'm only using E6400 CPUs, it was much much easier for me to hit 3.2Ghz on the P5B than i was on the DS3.

well I got ab S3 mobo here for 116 shipped that dual primed for 22 hours at 7x466 with an E6300...So i am not impressed for the added 80 bucks....

I want higher OC and stability for the E6600 chip and from all reports it is better on 975x platform for this moment...

If I was buying another 6300 or 6400 I would only look at the 965's right now....I can boot at 480's with that board with no modding....

Oh and I did that 22 hours with stock cooler and about 1.4v actual....

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: zephyrprime
New chip designs are a lot less realiable for overclocking than the chips that have been around for a while so what do you expect?

Thanks captain obvious!!!

I know that and hence why there has been 7 bios updates in a very short time...the no sooner send a final out and the have betas being tested for the next one....

I would like to see some other players hit the 975 market with affordable enthusiast solutions....I dont get all the systems I have by wasting money when I dont need to.....

The days of my 1.6a@2.7ghz was on a MSI mobo reasonable priced (120-130)

The days of my 2.4c@3.5ghz was on an Abit Ic7 for around 140 when I bought it..

The days of my 3000+@2.66ghz was on a Neo2 MSI board for 130....

Not the most expensive boards at the time but achieving some of the higher overclocks for those chips


I dont think you need 240 dollar Asus mobos to get good results...It may look that way now but that is more due to a lack of alternative or choices...

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: Thor86
LOL, 975X board for under $150.00. Dream on, Intel charges $100.00 straightup to motherboard manufacturers for this chipset alone, so I don't think you will see that price point for a while to come.

I'm hoping DFI will come out with their ATI enthusiast chipset motherboard solution and have different models like their Lanparty series.

hence why I am asking where are the Nvidia and ATI solutions...they generally are priced cheaper per chipset...

 

[lopri]

If you're looking to keep the board for some time to come, I'd recommend the P5W-DH even at the current price. This is the FIRST ASUS board that I'm pleased with, and it has endured my generally torturous operation without a hitch. Throughout 4 C2D processors and BIOS revisions, I have not experienced a major prolem at all yet. Only quirk so far was the wireless module disappearing from Device Manager for a couple times. The FSB is limited around 420~430, but you will not experience the strange behaviors of P965 chipsets. (FSB walls, blackholes, USB problem, memory compatibility issue, Optical drive issue, etc.) Besides, for E6600 @3.6GHz, you want to stay at 1066 strap. Many P965 boards will force 1333 strab to achieve high FSB after a certain point, which is not needed for E6600 and can hurt performance.

 

[DrMrLordX]

The ATI solution from DFI is coming in November I think.

edit: or you could take the plunge on a Xeon 3040 or 3050 as mentioned in this thread:

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=28&threadid=1942186&enterthread=y

You could find out once and for all whether or not these chips have 4 mb l2 cache. Get a Xeon 3050 and let us know *P

 

[n7]

Originally posted by: DrMrLordX
The ATI solution from DFI is coming in November I think.

Duvie won't likely like the price tag it'll carry though.

When i first started researching for my mobo, i was sickened at the pricing for C2D mobos...

I'm not disappointed with what i spent on my P5B-D compared to what else was out there, but it's sad Intel chipsets are such a rip off in general.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: n7
...but it's sad Intel chipsets are such a rip off in general.

I'd have to disagree. Intel's chipsets are consistently the most reliable out there. Rock solid. You get exactly what you pay for.

 

[jose]

If Intel is charging $100 for the chipset, then it's not the mobo manf's fault for a lack in selection of motherboards.

They have to meet certain price points and using a $100 Intel chip makes that hard to do..

What we have is a lesson in competition, Intel has a super chip & thus charges what they want for it. The processor itself in not pricey but the mobo's are..

I remember paying ~$1400 for a single PPro 200mhz 512k chip...

Regards,
Jose

 

[Avalon]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: n7
...but it's sad Intel chipsets are such a rip off in general.

I'd have to disagree. Intel's chipsets are consistently the most reliable out there. Rock solid. You get exactly what you pay for.

Like the 965 chipset?

Not to say I don't think Intel chipsets are good, but I fail to see how they are leaps and bounds better than anything but a low end Via chipset like the common belief around here seems to be.

There have been no reliability differences between the Nforce and Intel chipsets I've used over the past years, and Nforce based boards don't typically command such a price premium. That's just my personal experience.

*shrug*

 

[coolpurplefan]

Originally posted by: Duvie
very limited number of boards to choose from...most buggy as heck!

Thanks for the informative post. I guess being way ahead of the curve can be annoying sometimes.

 

[Ranulf]

Originally posted by: coolpurplefan

Originally posted by: Duvie
very limited number of boards to choose from...most buggy as heck!

Thanks for the informative post. I guess being way ahead of the curve can be annoying sometimes.

Well how way ahead of the curve are we now though? 2 months? Boards are still trickling in...

 

[DrMrLordX]

Intel charges so much for their chipsets 'cuz they can. They have virtually no competition in the core 2 chipset market, and thanks to their strongarm tactics against motherboard manufacturers that wanted to use ATI's chipset, it's mostly going to stay that way. I'm sure this is Intel's way of recovering some of the profits they're losing by selling Core 2 at such competitive prices.

That being said, I have no idea what DFI plans to charge for their ATI-based Core 2 boards. If they're smart, and if ATI is smart, they'll price it competitively ($100-$150).

 

[n7]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: n7
...but it's sad Intel chipsets are such a rip off in general.

I'd have to disagree. Intel's chipsets are consistently the most reliable out there. Rock solid. You get exactly what you pay for.

Why am i not surprised that you'd argue this :roll:

Have you tried looking at this objectively?
Have you overlooked all the issues you find on many of the 975/965 mobos?
Or let me guess, all those issues aren't Intel's fault; they're the manufacturers'

Here's something i'd like you to explain.

Please tell me just how Intel's overpriced chipset is so much better than ATi's & nVidia's offerings?
I know presently we have no real comparsion from nVidia & ATi on the Intel side of things, but let's use what ATi & nVidia have done with AMD as a comparison.

Just what is it about these hallowed Intel chipsets that makes them worth 50%+ more than all the A64 mobos ever were?

Now since you're going to likely whine that comparing AMD chipsets to Intel chipsets isn't fair, then here's another question for you.

Why then exactly are Intel chipsets so much more in general than AMD's stuff?

Unless you can give me some damn good answers to those questions, i am going to continue my belief that Intel's chipsets are damn overpriced.

 

[Regalk]

Agree with the last post - I haven't really looked at Intelchipsets for a while and the 965/975 has been out for a fair amount of time now ( and I suspect built on the 9XX series) - overpriced period. ATI/NVIDA can help balance the equilibrium a bit as AMD does for CPUs.
Incidentally Duvie has been around the block for a while now (as I) so you ain't telling him anything new - he is just looking for solid inexpensive solutions as most hard cores do.