Where are all the 1GB 4870?

[marrr]

taken forever for this card to come out.

 

[dennilfloss]

Better price.

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/...9210&prodlist=celebros

Still not in stock, though.

 

[marrr]

i hope thats a good sign..

 

[evolucion8]

Originally posted by: taltamir
disabling one core is not a clear indication, it still lost to the 4870 512MB on occasion because it is limited to half the PCIe bandwidth due to the on board splitter. while other times the extra ram compensated enough for it to win.

Considering those handicaps and still managed to win almost all scenarios, show the hidden potential of the HD 4870 with 1GB of Frame Buffer, it's performance should be closer to the stock GTX 280, I just hope that they don't charge too much for the additional RAM.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: evolucion8

Originally posted by: taltamir
disabling one core is not a clear indication, it still lost to the 4870 512MB on occasion because it is limited to half the PCIe bandwidth due to the on board splitter. while other times the extra ram compensated enough for it to win.

Considering those handicaps and still managed to win almost all scenarios, show the hidden potential of the HD 4870 with 1GB of Frame Buffer, it's performance should be closer to the stock GTX 280, I just hope that they don't charge too much for the additional RAM.

are you *sure*

is it a Splitter or a Switch



if it is a switch, there is no handicap, is there?

i am going to check it out; i think the newer drivers will matter over the ooB ones. And i can also compare my own HD4870x2/2GB with a core disabled against HD4870/512M and form my own conclusions.

i don't think there is ANY "hidden potential" in the 1GB version - unless the 512MB version runs out of vRAM

it *appears* that Nvidia is also using DDR5 right now and there is a mini-scarcity. Clearly AMD will use DDR5 for the x2 first, then the 1GB version, so it still might be awhile, hard to find and at a price premium

unless you are gaming over 16x10, i think it is probably not necessary to have over 512MB .. but then i will have to actually test this

i am reviewing starting tonight .. everything arrived - *except* for my e8500 which i am RMA'ing back to Newegg because it is an old stepping. i got a e8600 arriving on Friday, instead. That should be e0 and get well over 4Ghz.

 

[evolucion8]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: evolucion8

Originally posted by: taltamir
disabling one core is not a clear indication, it still lost to the 4870 512MB on occasion because it is limited to half the PCIe bandwidth due to the on board splitter. while other times the extra ram compensated enough for it to win.

Considering those handicaps and still managed to win almost all scenarios, show the hidden potential of the HD 4870 with 1GB of Frame Buffer, it's performance should be closer to the stock GTX 280, I just hope that they don't charge too much for the additional RAM.

i don't think there is ANY "hidden potential" in the 1GB version - unless the 512MB version runs out of vRAM

With current games, and with lots of anti aliasing and AF, is easy to run out of VRAM specially with higher resolutions, specially with the HD 4X00 series which uses hardware to sample Anti Aliasing, which will use more VRAM. Also the memory management of ATi is much better and will benefit of the 1GB Frame buffer when it swap data instead of clearing and writting on top of it.

I used ATT to see how Gears of War uses VRAM when the game was maxxed out at 1280x1024. The game never exceeded the 220MB of VRAM usage with my old X1950XT, but the continuous swapping of data through the card and the system which had 2GB of RAM made the game to stutter in some scenarios, then I used a X1950PRO with 512MB and even though the FPS were a bit lower, the stuttering was gone and the game used a bit more VRAM (About 255MB), the FPS were more consistent overall. I don't know how a much more powerful HD 4870 wouldn't see such benefit. I'm no expert in hardware and stuff, but is quite interesting the behavior of some games were the resources are a bit limited.

I don't think that the switch has something to do in there, after all, it's only used when the GPU's are communicating each other, otherwise isn't use.

 

[dennilfloss]

I've had Oblivion use 950MB of VRAM.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: evolucion8

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: evolucion8

Originally posted by: taltamir
disabling one core is not a clear indication, it still lost to the 4870 512MB on occasion because it is limited to half the PCIe bandwidth due to the on board splitter. while other times the extra ram compensated enough for it to win.

Considering those handicaps and still managed to win almost all scenarios, show the hidden potential of the HD 4870 with 1GB of Frame Buffer, it's performance should be closer to the stock GTX 280, I just hope that they don't charge too much for the additional RAM.

i don't think there is ANY "hidden potential" in the 1GB version - unless the 512MB version runs out of vRAM

With current games, and with lots of anti aliasing and AF, is easy to run out of VRAM specially with higher resolutions, specially with the HD 4X00 series which uses hardware to sample Anti Aliasing, which will use more VRAM. Also the memory management of ATi is much better and will benefit of the 1GB Frame buffer when it swap data instead of clearing and writting on top of it.

I used ATT to see how Gears of War uses VRAM when the game was maxxed out at 1280x1024. The game never exceeded the 220MB of VRAM usage with my old X1950XT, but the continuous swapping of data through the card and the system which had 2GB of RAM made the game to stutter in some scenarios, then I used a X1950PRO with 512MB and even though the FPS were a bit lower, the stuttering was gone and the game used a bit more VRAM (About 255MB), the FPS were more consistent overall. I don't know how a much more powerful HD 4870 wouldn't see such benefit. I'm no expert in hardware and stuff, but is quite interesting the behavior of some games were the resources are a bit limited.

I don't think that the switch has something to do in there, after all, it's only used when the GPU's are communicating each other, otherwise isn't use.

What are you saying different that i said?

i don't think there is ANY "hidden potential" in the 1GB version - unless the 512MB version runs out of vRAM

i notice the hitching in Crysis that is not there in the X2 .. that is why i *dumped* my HD4870 for a X2. HOWEVER, if you do not use more than 512MB vRAM, you won't notice a difference - hence no hidden potential at lower resolutions.

 

[evolucion8]

Originally posted by: apoppin


What are you saying different that i said?

i notice the hitching in Crysis that is not there in the X2 .. that is why i *dumped* my HD4870 for a X2. HOWEVER, if you do not use more than 512MB vRAM, you won't notice a difference - hence no hidden potential at lower resolutions.[/quote]

Well, it doesn't matter what you think, always there's some benefit like future proofing. If the price is fine, why not aiming for it? If someone is gonna play at 1280x1024, better off and buy the HD 4850 or HD 3870, because "you won't notice a difference at lower resolution" :roll:

 

[Calculator83]

Originally posted by: evolucion8

Originally posted by: apoppin


What are you saying different that i said?

i notice the hitching in Crysis that is not there in the X2 .. that is why i *dumped* my HD4870 for a X2. HOWEVER, if you do not use more than 512MB vRAM, you won't notice a difference - hence no hidden potential at lower resolutions.

Well, it doesn't matter what you think, always there's some benefit like future proofing. If the price is fine, why not aiming for it? If someone is gonna play at 1280x1024, better off and buy the HD 4850 or HD 3870, because "you won't notice a difference at lower resolution" :roll:[/quote]

The preorders are long + the price "unreasonable", I think this points to the fact that there are going to be very short supply of these. It's almost like they don't want to release them because they want to rake in the cash with their flag ship X2. And using 2 gigs on the x2 probably uses too much of the supply of ddr5. actually the shortage probably explain the unreasonable pricing of the 4870 1gig.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: evolucion8

Originally posted by: apoppin


What are you saying different that i said?

i notice the hitching in Crysis that is not there in the X2 .. that is why i *dumped* my HD4870 for a X2. HOWEVER, if you do not use more than 512MB vRAM, you won't notice a difference - hence no hidden potential at lower resolutions.

Well, it doesn't matter what you think, always there's some benefit like future proofing. If the price is fine, why not aiming for it? If someone is gonna play at 1280x1024, better off and buy the HD 4850 or HD 3870, because "you won't notice a difference at lower resolution" :roll:

[/quote]

i am certain it doesn't matter what you think - either

there is no such thing as "future proofing"; a single 4870 is just not that fast a card that anyone will care about in 2 years.

if you are playing at a low resolution you will not need to pay a big price premium for an additional 512MB - it is more marketing than useful for 4870 imo.

if you are playing at 12x10, a 1GB 4870 for $100 more than the 512MB version IS a waste

and what is wrong with your 3850?

 

[evolucion8]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: evolucion8

Originally posted by: apoppin


What are you saying different that i said?

i notice the hitching in Crysis that is not there in the X2 .. that is why i *dumped* my HD4870 for a X2. HOWEVER, if you do not use more than 512MB vRAM, you won't notice a difference - hence no hidden potential at lower resolutions.

Well, it doesn't matter what you think, always there's some benefit like future proofing. If the price is fine, why not aiming for it? If someone is gonna play at 1280x1024, better off and buy the HD 4850 or HD 3870, because "you won't notice a difference at lower resolution" :roll:

i am certain it doesn't matter what you think - either

there is no such thing as "future proofing"; a single 4870 is just not that fast a card that anyone will care about in 2 years.

if you are playing at a low resolution you will not need to pay a big price premium for an additional 512MB - it is more marketing than useful for 4870 imo.

if you are playing at 12x10, a 1GB 4870 for $100 more than the 512MB version IS a waste

and what is wrong with your 3850?




[/quote]

Hey don't be so touchy cupcake, you told me the same " it doesn't matter what you think" and I didn't bark at you, so have a , of course is a waste paying 100 more for additional 512MB of VRAM, and my HD 3850 is fine, is an AGP card which I modded the BIOS, so I could use the official drivers, If I want to upgrade, I will have to build a system from the ground, something that will not happen until next year since I'm so happy with my current system. It's has lower power consumption, heat dissipation and great performance, much better specially in games than my beloved P4 EE @ 3.4GHz

 

[Blacklash]

I wish Techpowerup! had used 8xAA and up. You won't see big differences between a card with 512Mb ram and one with more ram at 1920x 4xAA.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: evolucion8

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: evolucion8

Originally posted by: apoppin


What are you saying different that i said?

i notice the hitching in Crysis that is not there in the X2 .. that is why i *dumped* my HD4870 for a X2. HOWEVER, if you do not use more than 512MB vRAM, you won't notice a difference - hence no hidden potential at lower resolutions.

Well, it doesn't matter what you think, always there's some benefit like future proofing. If the price is fine, why not aiming for it? If someone is gonna play at 1280x1024, better off and buy the HD 4850 or HD 3870, because "you won't notice a difference at lower resolution" :roll:

i am certain it doesn't matter what you think - either

there is no such thing as "future proofing"; a single 4870 is just not that fast a card that anyone will care about in 2 years.

if you are playing at a low resolution you will not need to pay a big price premium for an additional 512MB - it is more marketing than useful for 4870 imo.

if you are playing at 12x10, a 1GB 4870 for $100 more than the 512MB version IS a waste

and what is wrong with your 3850?

Hey don't be so touchy cupcake, you told me the same " it doesn't matter what you think" and I didn't bark at you, so have a , of course is a waste paying 100 more for additional 512MB of VRAM, and my HD 3850 is fine, is an AGP card which I modded the BIOS, so I could use the official drivers, If I want to upgrade, I will have to build a system from the ground, something that will not happen until next year since I'm so happy with my current system. It's has lower power consumption, heat dissipation and great performance, much better specially in games than my beloved P4 EE @ 3.4GHz[/quote]

so what was the disagreement about?

You started to lecture me when i speculated that the 1GB was totally unnecessary below 19x12 - in most situations.

. . . and you started it - you *first* said to ME:

Well, it doesn't matter what you think, always there's some benefit like future proofing.

without any provocation on my part .. so go eat your own cookies with milk, cranky one
:moon:

i think the 1GB will be hard to find as Nvidia gobbles up the DDR5 and AMD will be prioritizing it for their X2 model.

But, by all means, buy one if you think it will be worthwhile for 10x7.

 

[evolucion8]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: evolucion8
In the Inquirer, Charlie explained the material used and were the melting is ocurring on the chip, I do not think that TSCM has any fault about it, after all, nVidia is the one who choses the ingredientes, and the TSCM is the one who bakes them, yummy, cupcakes!!

actually it doesn't matter what you and charlie think

This was posted at; 09/04/2008 01:36 AM on the thread: http://forums.anandtech.com/me...AR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear

I replyied later in this thread and told you the same thing, so I guess that you are the one who is cranky, and I don't have cookies and milk, , so go and get a lollypop, that may calm you a bit :Q

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: evolucion8

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: evolucion8
In the Inquirer, Charlie explained the material used and were the melting is ocurring on the chip, I do not think that TSCM has any fault about it, after all, nVidia is the one who choses the ingredientes, and the TSCM is the one who bakes them, yummy, cupcakes!!

actually it doesn't matter what you and charlie think

This was posted at; 09/04/2008 01:36 AM on the thread: http://forums.anandtech.com/me...AR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear

I replyied later in this thread and told you the same thing, so I guess that you are the one who is cranky, and I don't have cookies and milk, , so go and get a lollypop, that may calm you a bit :Q

so you hold grudges from one completely unrelated thread to another -?
:roll:

why don't you pick on something i said to you last year?


sugar is not calming
- i see your problem

to get back on topic, 4870-1GB is rare and commands a price premium
- not worth waiting for, imo

 

[marrr]

I currently have a 850xt yall would think its a waste to get the 1 gig 4870 over the 512 even if im not gonna upgrade my video card for a few years??

 

[Tempered81]

Originally posted by: dennilfloss
I'm tired of waiting. :frown:

Gimme a factory-overclocked one with fancy cooling STAT!!

http://www.hardwarezone.com/im...84/crysis-vista-AA.gif

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: mar23
I currently have a 850xt yall would think its a waste to get the 1 gig 4870 over the 512 even if im not gonna upgrade my video card for a few years??

i am starting to change my mind about 4870/512M

imo it is *insufficient* for 19x12 although the FPS might be technically high enough.

At 19x12, even though the FPS are above 30 - sometimes over 40 - it is just not smooth. There is something like hitching - not micro stutter - which might be it running out of vRAM at that resolution. At 16x12 it is a lot less noticeable.

The X2 is butter smooth by comparison

 

[dennilfloss]

Diamond stock clock 1GB is $316CAN.

http://www.directcanada.com/pr...1G&manufacture=DIAMOND