When you play perfect basic strategy in blackjack...

[goog40]

Yeah I think that's how it is, but you have to bet the pass line first to take the odds, so the house still has an edge overall.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Originally posted by: Aluvus
House always has an advantage unless you count cards.

:thumbsup:

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Originally posted by: shortylickens

Originally posted by: Juked07

Originally posted by: shortylickens
Even if you know how to count cards your odds are still about 51/49.
Sadly thats the absolute best you can get in a casino.

Not all games are against the house.

Uhhh, no, thats correct. In fact none of them are except blackjack when you know what you are doing.
Which is what I just said.

Thee are things you can do with some progressive slots to actually make money statistically over the long term. The house still makes money on these.

 

[tm37]

Originally posted by: WaTaGuMp
The lowest odds for the casino also include proper betting strategy. Like already said to get the odds in your favor you count cards and bet properly.

This is completely true.

You need to bet with how the count sits.

This is how most counters get caught. They raise there bets when the count is good and lower when it goes bad. THis is why the MIT team was so successful for so long. They had players who just played the minimum and they would signal to the "big" player.

Very hard to catch. ALso understand that with any "strategy" it is based on playing ATON so you might lose the first 20 hands but over a long period of time the odds are actually in the favor of the player when the count is high.

The movie 21 was pretty bad in explaining this, and almost completely fiction, but the book bringing down the house is actually pretty good.

 

[WaTaGuMp]

Originally posted by: tm37

Originally posted by: WaTaGuMp
The lowest odds for the casino also include proper betting strategy. Like already said to get the odds in your favor you count cards and bet properly.

This is completely true.

You need to bet with how the count sits.

This is how most counters get caught. They raise there bets when the count is good and lower when it goes bad. THis is why the MIT team was so successful for so long. They had players who just played the minimum and they would signal to the "big" player.

Very hard to catch. ALso understand that with any "strategy" it is based on playing ATON so you might lose the first 20 hands but over a long period of time the odds are actually in the favor of the player when the count is high.

The movie 21 was pretty bad in explaining this, and almost completely fiction, but the book bringing down the house is actually pretty good.

Even if you are not counting cards you need to bet properly, when I was playing BJ on a regular basis I used whats called press betting. I start at 25 if I win I bet 50, win again bet 75, win again bet 100, I would stay at 100 till I lost then back down to 25. Rinse and repeat, my goal was to find a cold dealer and if I did then I could make a grand and up in a VERY quick time, problem of course is finding a cold dealer. Even players just going to gamble and have fun can use press betting to help them maybe make some money.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Mo0o
Isn't the best bet the Odds bet on Craps? I cant be sure but I thought that usually paid true odds unless the house changes the rules

Lowest house advantage is on video poker, craps and blackjack. But again you must play perfect strategy for each.

Video poker actually has a player advantage, if played absolutely perfectly.

 

[Raincity]

Originally posted by: tm37

Originally posted by: WaTaGuMp
The lowest odds for the casino also include proper betting strategy. Like already said to get the odds in your favor you count cards and bet properly.

This is completely true.

You need to bet with how the count sits.

This is how most counters get caught. They raise there bets when the count is good and lower when it goes bad. THis is why the MIT team was so successful for so long. They had players who just played the minimum and they would signal to the "big" player.

Very hard to catch. ALso understand that with any "strategy" it is based on playing ATON so you might lose the first 20 hands but over a long period of time the odds are actually in the favor of the player when the count is high.

The movie 21 was pretty bad in explaining this, and almost completely fiction, but the book bringing down the house is actually pretty good.

The book Bringing down the house has the same amount of fiction as the movie 21

Did the MIT team exist, yes
Did they operate as long as Ben Mezrich accounts for, no
Did the team earn over 4 mil in winnings, no

The book accounts is total b&llshit and I bet that Ben Mezrich is laughing all the way to bank on this one.

 

[gorcorps]

Originally posted by: blinky8225

Originally posted by: gorcorps

Originally posted by: WaTaGuMp

Originally posted by: Epic Fail

Originally posted by: QueBert
Roulette for the best odds, last time I went I spent a good while simply betting either black/red or even/odd. black/red is slightly less than 50/50 I think due to the 2 green slots on the wheel. If you bet even odd you can do pretty well. Yes it's all luck, but with 50/50 odds on that you can get lucky pretty easy and win. Also Indian casinos in Cali, a lot have War. Never played it but you basically buy a whole deck of card and play War with the dealer, odds would have to be 50/50 here also.

LOL, roulette has the best odds for the house.

I believe slot machines have the best house odds over all games.

No they don't, slot machines are awful. That's why they take up so much space at the casino because they're the biggest cash cows for them. Tourists like machines like that and many are spooked by table games. You want to know how a casino operates and what has the best odds? Watch the travel channel. They have tons of casino shows.

I think you restated exactly what he said--"best house odds". He meant best odds for the house.

Ouch... yeah I totally misread his post. I read 'best odds over all games' assuming he meant player odds.

 

[alkemyst]

depends on odds, they are posted at the casino.

 

[XxPrOdiGyxX]

No because other factors affect it like people playing retarded and doing things they probably shouldn't, like staying on a 14 when the dealer is showing 20. Also, people will sit down and leave the table screwing up the order of the cards coming out.

 

[silverpig]

Originally posted by: Raincity

Originally posted by: tm37

Originally posted by: WaTaGuMp
The lowest odds for the casino also include proper betting strategy. Like already said to get the odds in your favor you count cards and bet properly.

This is completely true.

You need to bet with how the count sits.

This is how most counters get caught. They raise there bets when the count is good and lower when it goes bad. THis is why the MIT team was so successful for so long. They had players who just played the minimum and they would signal to the "big" player.

Very hard to catch. ALso understand that with any "strategy" it is based on playing ATON so you might lose the first 20 hands but over a long period of time the odds are actually in the favor of the player when the count is high.

The movie 21 was pretty bad in explaining this, and almost completely fiction, but the book bringing down the house is actually pretty good.

The book Bringing down the house has the same amount of fiction as the movie 21

Did the MIT team exist, yes
Did they operate as long as Ben Mezrich accounts for, no
Did the team earn over 4 mil in winnings, no

The book accounts is total b&llshit and I bet that Ben Mezrich is laughing all the way to bank on this one.

I bet the book + movie deal + winnings is over $4m though

 

[FP]

Originally posted by: QueBert

Originally posted by: Epic Fail

Originally posted by: QueBert
Roulette for the best odds, last time I went I spent a good while simply betting either black/red or even/odd. black/red is slightly less than 50/50 I think due to the 2 green slots on the wheel. If you bet even odd you can do pretty well. Yes it's all luck, but with 50/50 odds on that you can get lucky pretty easy and win. Also Indian casinos in Cali, a lot have War. Never played it but you basically buy a whole deck of card and play War with the dealer, odds would have to be 50/50 here also.

LOL, roulette has the best odds for the house.

only because people play it stupidly. If you bet only even or odd every time, you might only win 1:1 which isn't a great return but you have a 50% chance every time the wheel spins. No other game in Vegas give you a coin flip chance of winning. If you give me $200, I might not come out rich but I can play all night. What gives the house the odds are people who bet numbers, then it becomes a total ass raping for the house

You have absolutely zero clue regarding this topic so you might as well stop talking.

You and people like you are the reason casinos make so much money.

 

[Minjin]

There's no reason to guess. People have done the math:

http://wizardofodds.com/blackjack