When You’re Accustomed to Privilege, Equality Feels Like Oppression

[Moonbeam]

Clearly the author is a white male, which is why he was one of management's favored servers and got the better shifts and tables. And clearly "Chuck" is a minority. Everyone knows that aggression is the new "N" word. (Well, one of several thousand new "N" words, but still . . .) And just see how violent!

Does the blindness to the privilege of the one negate the imbecility of the other? It does not. If you want to evolve beyond the level of the storyteller you want to first get to his level.

 

[Argo]

The OP did not connect with me. So it basically takes a single anecdote (one with comically one dimensional antagonist, I should say) and draws a rather thin theory from it.

 

[Zaap]

What on earth is wrong with your, Zaap? This is a story about an insight somebody had into human nature...

Discarding the rest of your psycho-babble (that act you put on may fly with the resident leftloons, but no one else ) the problem with lefty 'insights' like this is they're always stuff everyone else learned in kindergarten or thereabouts. (Some people act like assholes and aren't considerate of others. Gee! No shit!)

They're also usually really dumb projections. (Some dumb anecdotal story about a friend of his being a jerk has shit all to do with segregated water fountains and white privlidge and whatever other bullshit leftists love to get upset about.)

In fact, as evidenced by the Mississippi University thread, these days it's leftloons trying to create racially segregated "safe spaces" and other leftloons defending the idea.

 

[werepossum]

You are not this obtuse. You shouldn't pretend to it.

Nothing obtuse about it. I'm just checking the privilege of yet another asshole who feels that anyone disagreeing with him is racist and evil.

What on earth is wrong with your, Zaap? This is a story about an insight somebody had into human nature, a uncommon and valuable one. The real problem here, I think, is that you don't know yourself and aren't capable of that insight because you live in emotional denial as to how your unconscious assumptions operate. This doesn't apply to liberals or conservatives in particular, although it is probably more common among conservatives than liberals owing to the scientifically proven fact that conservatives are more likely than liberals to deny facts that are emotionally distressing to them.

Grow some balls and learn to confront yourself. You will find yourself in a better place. If you could make every liberal on the planet eat shit you would still be as fucked up as you already are.

You are a bigot. You don't see that your bigotry is based on unconscious assumptions that the way you see the world is good. This is a common mistake everybody makes because the good actually exists. You just don't know what it is. The good isn't ideological. It's a state of emotional presence. Relax and be happy.

Dude, this is most emphatically not "a story about an insight somebody had into human nature". This is just another tale told from the presumption that anyone disagreeing with the author is wrong, bigoted, racist and evil. At the very most, two assholes collided, and that's IF we accept the author's interpretation.

People replying that all lives matter are NOT the angry ones. Simply watching the two parties makes this abundantly clear - the angry people are the ones who demand that only THEIR lives matter. Whether or not they have legitimate grievances, the fact remains that the BLM crowd are the angry ones. The author gets this remarkably and totally wrong, and it's much too apparent for me to accept that this is an honest error. The author also gets totally wrong the reason that some people oppose gay marriage. It isn't that they are angry at losing their monopoly - a monopoly that includes 96% of the population is obviously worthless - it's that they are losing something that is precious to them, the heritage and traditions of their nation and religion. I don't agree with them that this is sufficient reason to deny someone else equal rights, but their position is hardly difficult to understand. Unless, of course, one refuses to understand, or is too wedded to one's own absolute moral righteousness to consider other people as, well, people.

This is the absolute farthest thing from "a story about an insight somebody had into human nature". It's a story establishing the author's privilege while disallowing the legitimacy of any other viewpoint. And that, my friend, is evil. Other people matter, even when we disagree with them. Other people have an equal right to have their own beliefs and values. I personally find gay marriage about the most lopsided political issue today, but that doesn't mean I'm going to reduce other people's concerns to stories about their rage at losing their exclusive privilege, nor stand by quietly whilst some other asshole does it.

 

[waggy]

Clearly the author is a white male, which is why he was one of management's favored servers and got the better shifts and tables. And clearly "Chuck" is a minority. Everyone knows that aggression is the new "N" word. (Well, one of several thousand new "N" words, but still . . .) And just see how violent!

I guess if you are used to thinking racist thoughts that makes it work. otherwise the article is really fucking idiotic.

I was trying to figure out the link in his story of when he worked and what it had to do with what he was writing about.

 

[Jaskalas]

I think I get it now. Privilege is not having to think in racist overtures.
This notion that I shouldn't be concerned with all police brutality. Only I, the privileged, would include all who suffer. Apparently righteous people value exclusivity and condemn inclusiveness.

 

[jackstar7]

I think I get it now. Privilege is not having to think in racist overtures.
This notion that I shouldn't be concerned with all police brutality. Only I, the privileged, would include all who suffer. Apparently righteous people value exclusivity and condemn inclusiveness.

What are you doing to address all police misconduct?

Or do you simply have concern about it all to buffer yourself from those disproportionately affected?

 

[Paratus]

Nothing obtuse about it. I'm just checking the privilege of yet another asshole who feels that anyone disagreeing with him is racist and evil.


Dude, this is most emphatically not "a story about an insight somebody had into human nature". This is just another tale told from the presumption that anyone disagreeing with the author is wrong, bigoted, racist and evil. At the very most, two assholes collided, and that's IF we accept the author's interpretation.

People replying that all lives matter are NOT the angry ones. Simply watching the two parties makes this abundantly clear - the angry people are the ones who demand that only THEIR lives matter. Whether or not they have legitimate grievances, the fact remains that the BLM crowd are the angry ones. The author gets this remarkably and totally wrong, and it's much too apparent for me to accept that this is an honest error. The author also gets totally wrong the reason that some people oppose gay marriage. It isn't that they are angry at losing their monopoly - a monopoly that includes 96% of the population is obviously worthless - it's that they are losing something that is precious to them, the heritage and traditions of their nation and religion. I don't agree with them that this is sufficient reason to deny someone else equal rights, but their position is hardly difficult to understand. Unless, of course, one refuses to understand, or is too wedded to one's own absolute moral righteousness to consider other people as, well, people.

This is the absolute farthest thing from "a story about an insight somebody had into human nature". It's a story establishing the author's privilege while disallowing the legitimacy of any other viewpoint. And that, my friend, is evil. Other people matter, even when we disagree with them. Other people have an equal right to have their own beliefs and values. I personally find gay marriage about the most lopsided political issue today, but that doesn't mean I'm going to reduce other people's concerns to stories about their rage at losing their exclusive privilege, nor stand by quietly whilst some other asshole does it.

:hmm:
Sounds like they are pissed they don't have the pool all to themselves anymore.

This piece hits it right on the head. The righties only ever seem to be vicitimized when others ask for equality:

• All lives matter!!11 wah! no shit - Black Lives Matter Too (pro tip the "Too" is silent) - sorry the right is victimized because law abiding black citizens are targeted for police action more often and they speak out about it
• Wah1!! Why do I have to hear about the gays1!1 Why are they in my face11!! - I'm sorry the right is vicitimized again whenever us citizens speak out and demand equal treatment under the law.
• etc

Sorry Werepossum, the responses of the usual suspects in this thread categorically uphold everything that author was talking about.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Fuck white people and their privilege!

 

[Moonbeam]

:hmm:
Sounds like they are pissed they don't have the pool all to themselves anymore.

This piece hits it right on the head. The righties only ever seem to be vicitimized when others ask for equality:

• All lives matter!!11 wah! no shit - Black Lives Matter Too (pro tip the "Too" is silent) - sorry the right is victimized because law abiding black citizens are targeted for police action more often and they speak out about it
• Wah1!! Why do I have to hear about the gays1!1 Why are they in my face11!! - I'm sorry the right is vicitimized again whenever us citizens speak out and demand equal treatment under the law.
• etc

Sorry Werepossum, the responses of the usual suspects in this thread categorically uphold everything that author was talking about.

You have to understand how badly people like Zaap and werepossum feel about themselves. We live in an emotionally sick world that has also damaged people like them. They don't know that the damage was total, that they died psychically as children and have no real capacity for love or empathy for anybody particularly themselves. The only thing that saved them was playing along with the authoritarianism that crushed them and developing that same hardened ego. The psychological wounds they nurse and the self-pity they feel is felt behind stone cold walls of denial. They can't feel their own pain so they sure as hell aren't going to feel anybody else's'. They are very sick and they are very sad and that makes people cold and mean. They survived torture by the Stockholm syndrome. They became what they feared.

They expect to live all of their lives without ever being told. Oops.

 

[Moonbeam]

Fuck white people and their privilege!

Why would you want to fuck the people most deeply asleep. They are the most in need.

But beware of those you help because it is the nature of self hate to hate the helper. You noticed what happened to Jesus, no? People have no idea at all what motivates them.

 

[chucky2]

:hmm:
Sounds like they are pissed they don't have the pool all to themselves anymore.

This piece hits it right on the head. The righties only ever seem to be vicitimized when others ask for equality:

• All lives matter!!11 wah! no shit - Black Lives Matter Too (pro tip the "Too" is silent) - sorry the right is victimized because law abiding black citizens are targeted for police action more often and they speak out about it
• Wah1!! Why do I have to hear about the gays1!1 Why are they in my face11!! - I'm sorry the right is vicitimized again whenever us citizens speak out and demand equal treatment under the law.
• etc

Sorry Werepossum, the responses of the usual suspects in this thread categorically uphold everything that author was talking about.

WTF lol 😀

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Why would you want to fuck the people most deeply asleep. They are the most in need.

But beware of those you help because it is the nature of self hate to hate the helper. You noticed what happened to Jesus, no? People have no idea at all what motivates them.

I hate white people and everything they represent. I hate being judged by their standards and principles. Whenever a incident occurs where the victim is black...I don’t ask myself, if it was because the person was black, I know that was the reason and then ask myself: “Why do they hate blacks so much?”. To me, everything revolves around their hatred...I'm frightened and need a safe place from those oppressive fuckers. I am angry and motivated by my self hate and fear.

 

[interchange]

To carry his example further, I would posit that it is in fact natural and necessary (so long as not blatantly intentional) that we bump into each other. Deciding as a society who should stay out of whose way in which situations is not progress despite avoidance of conflict. Nor is acquiescence to inferiority out of fear when a conflict has occurred (author). Nor is escalation of a conflict beyond what has actually occurred (Chuck).

Yet, there is some real validity in his article. He says that, eventually, he and Chuck became friends (and friends with significant differences no less).

Here is the truth: what matters far more than not bumping into people is what happens after the bump occurs. In fact, if that last part is growth, then it is instead vitally important to work on diminishing the fear of what might happen differently. If that can be accomplished, bumping into people will be the best thing we can do.

 

[Perknose]

Is white flight a competitor of jet blue?

The high historical baggage fees and the in-flight Matlock re-runs mean this airline will never take off, making its passengers nothing more than runway slaves.

 

[Jaskalas]

What are you doing to address all police misconduct?

Or do you simply have concern about it all to buffer yourself from those disproportionately affected?

I have a solid history of decrying police murder misconduct here.

Specifically the shoot first and ask questions later policy where anyone who they sneak up on or surprise is gunned down for the crime of having a human reaction to being startled. Flinching or turning around to see what a noise is becomes grounds for murder. Their home invasions are another human disaster. Their standard conduct is appalling and needs to be stopped by Rules of Engagement that look less like a battlefield and more like they care about lives.

You might be surprised to learn that addressing this issue would mostly save black lives. It'd fulfill the desire of #BLM, it just doesn't wrap itself up in racial tones. Our fight to save lives should be more inclusive and avoid the privilege of exclusivity. More people behind this, the more likely it is to be fixed.

Do not work to sabotage police reform by making it exclusive and racial.

 

[Exophase]

I've seen this phrase used to shut down arguments and criticism constantly. I'm sure it's true some of the time, but it's getting pretty old.

I've argued against the mentality and positions of people on various sides of things, because I think they're irrational, unfair, hypocritical, discriminatory, mean-spirited, etc. But I'm not ashamed to admit that I've never felt like I belonged to an oppressed group (or at least one that's oppressed an awful lot in this time in this country). I've especially never felt like I experience oppression in my personal life; very little of what I talk about online ever spills into it anyway. But I've gotten this line and ones like it for because I've argued against people's positions when they ostensibly involve equality.

If I did have people following me around and shouting me down for being privileged or telling me that I'm the problem for being one of X and need to own up and start paying then I wouldn't be very complacent with it. Still wouldn't describe that as oppression. But I wouldn't stand for it. In this case, it sure wouldn't feel like it was just about people wanting equality.

It's tiring because I really don't feel like I've taken positions against equality. And if people think I am I'd really like to see where they're coming from on that. Not just that they think they're for equality and I'm arguing against them so I must be against equality. Or because I say something that sounds like something someone else says and they're against equality. None of that flies.

 

[jackstar7]

I have a solid history of decrying police murder misconduct here.

Specifically the shoot first and ask questions later policy where anyone who they sneak up on or surprise is gunned down for the crime of having a human reaction to being startled. Flinching or turning around to see what a noise is becomes grounds for murder. Their home invasions are another human disaster. Their standard conduct is appalling and needs to be stopped by Rules of Engagement that look less like a battlefield and more like they care about lives.

You might be surprised to learn that addressing this issue would mostly save black lives. It'd fulfill the desire of #BLM, it just doesn't wrap itself up in racial tones. Our fight to save lives should be more inclusive and avoid the privilege of exclusivity. More people behind this, the more likely it is to be fixed.

Do not work to sabotage police reform by making it exclusive and racial.

So you talk on a message board while other people take to the streets and you criticize their action for not having the scale to address the issue of all police misconduct, even though that would be a clear goal of that active movement.

Am I misrepresenting you in this summary? Set me straight, if so.

 

[thraashman]

lol Yet another example of far left navel gazing. "All lives matter" is privilege, but "Only black lives matter" is equality. Gotcha. I'm certainly looking forward to the next far left article demonstrating total lack of self-awareness; they are consistently some of the funniest things out there. By all means, trot that tattered old race card out one more time. We're not laughing at you, we're just laughing near you.

You are not this obtuse. You shouldn't pretend to it.

Nothing obtuse about it. I'm just checking the privilege of yet another asshole who feels that anyone disagreeing with him is racist and evil.

If you're not obtuse, you're sure putting on one hell of an act. First, it was never "only black lives matter". The ignorance you'd have to display to even type that is remarkable. It's black lives matter (too), the "too" is implied. The entire point is that there seems to be a habit in this nation of undervaluing the lives of black Americans. And the black community has become frustrated with it. The people who respond with "all lives matter" are ABSOFUCKINGLUTELY doing such to continue the devaluation of black lives. Because they FUCKING KNOW the issue at hand and how racism is still a big problem in this nation and how decades of racism has hurt the black community. It's exactly the point of this article in fact. The people saying countering with "all lives matter" are the people who have the privilege and see the black community trying to gain equality and feel they're being oppressed because people are pointing out and trying to counter the inequality. Jesus fuck all christ your jackass post makes me so angry. I know you're not as fucking stupid as michal1980 or John Connor and it heavily disappoints me when you make posts like this trying to act like it.

 

[Zaap]

I guess if you are used to thinking racist thoughts that makes it work. otherwise the article is really fucking idiotic.

I was trying to figure out the link in his story of when he worked and what it had to do with what he was writing about.

Dude, you're just not lefty deep enough to get it.

You see, one time I was driving down the street and some mean person cut me off. Suddenly I understood what it was to be Jewish. I had a sudden insight into human nature that allowed me to completely understand Adolph Hitler. I realized that everyone white that didn't agree with me, was just like Hitler and wanted to toss a few million Jewish people into gas ovens.

------ insert hyperbolic picture here of gas ovens, with cute caption like, "saying I'm wrong and a fucktard is really just saying to do this to a few million people" -----

In short, it was they day I recognized White Hitler Privilege.




Now see, if you're a self-hating rightie, you read the above as a load of horseshit, drawing ridiculous conclusions from things having nothing to do with anything, just some hack ranting to fill space on a leftloon opinions-stated-as-fact site.


If you're a leftloon, you wondered where on the HuffPo I copy-pasted that amazingly insightful article from.

 

[interchange]

If I did have people following me around and shouting me down for being privileged or telling me that I'm the problem for being one of X and need to own up and start paying then I wouldn't be very complacent with it. Still wouldn't describe that as oppression. But I wouldn't stand for it. In this case, it sure wouldn't feel like it was just about people wanting equality.

No one can know for certain, but you would be an exceedingly rare person in that case. I think, were you in those shoes, you would likely fear rejection from your own social group more than reaction from the "oppressed". Of course, you could find a different social group as a haven (white supremacists), but it would be only the converse of the original hypocrisy.

Our current methods of addressing racial disparities serve mostly to ensure they continue to exist.

Maybe you and I should band together instead.

 

[Exophase]

The people who respond with "all lives matter" are ABSOFUCKINGLUTELY doing such to continue the devaluation of black lives.

I don't think this is ALWAYS true. I've seen "All Lives Matter" on the bulletin of a church that was probably almost exclusively black. I doubt it was done in the interest of continued devaluation of black lives. Same thing with when Martin O'Malley said it. Yes it's kind of oblivious and missing the point, and a lot of people are saying it just to be combative or dismissive of BLM. But it really is possible that some people are saying it with the intention of promoting unity and breaking barriers.

 

[Perknose]

If you're not obtuse, you're sure putting on one hell of an act. First, it was never "only black lives matter". The ignorance you'd have to display to even type that is remarkable. It's black lives matter (too), the "too" is implied. The entire point is that there seems to be a habit in this nation of undervaluing the lives of black Americans. And the black community has become frustrated with it. The people who respond with "all lives matter" [are either THAT obtuse but nevertheless] continue the devaluation of black lives. Because the [...] issue at hand [is]how racism is still a big problem in this nation and how decades of racism has hurt the black community.

[...]

I know you're not as fucking stupid as michal1980 or John Connor and it heavily disappoints me when you make posts like this trying to act like it.

With my edits, this above. It pains me to see some posters I feel should know better missing the very basic point of BLM (too.) 🙁

 

[Cozarkian]

Black Lives Matter is a bad slogan because even if police brutality disproportionately affects blacks it inappropriately narrows the focus of the problem as a racial one. Moving to stop all police brutality would be just as effective and efficient as limiting the cause to brutality against blacks.

All lives matter is also a bad slogan because rather than emphasizing the universal nature of the problem, it focuses on the racism of the black lives protesters.

Both sides should come together in a Lives Matter movement, which puts the focus on the problem that there are victims of police brutality rather than the characyeristics of the victim.

 

[cubby1223]

With my edits, this above. It pains me to see some posters I feel should know better missing the very basic point of BLM (too.) 🙁

Except there is the occasional disconnect between the ideal "Black Lives Matter" cause and what happens when people want to make others aware that black lives matter.