When will we see the rest of Nvidias lineup?

[hawtdawg]

Any word or rumors of when we'll see the 670 and 660 Ti?

 

[boochi]

I too want to see these cards. How is the $200 card going to perform when pitted against the Overpriced 7850?

 

[Lyfer]

Prolly June.

 

[Stuka87]

I too want to see these cards. How is the $200 card going to perform when pitted against the Overpriced 7850?

What makes you think nVidia will be able to undercut AMD by that much? Sure they were able to with the 680, but that was only 9% cheaper than the 7970.

If nVidia priced their 7850 competitor at $200, that would be 23% cheaper. So they may be able to undercut by that much, but with the much higher prices that TSMC is charging, I am thinking they will be closer in price in the lower end cards.

 

[Mopetar]

I'll be really interested to see what the rest of their lineup looks like.

Based off of Fermi, the GF1X4 cards had 2.6x as many CUDA cores as the GF1X6 parts (2x as many cores as the GF1X6 used in the 550) and 3.5x as many CUDA cores as the GF1X8 cards.

Assuming that holds, we can expect GK106 to between 576 and 768 CUDA cores. The 768 core version would probably perform somewhere between a 7850 and 7870 depending on clock speed, but if it only had 576 cores, it wouldn't be better than the 7850. GK108 would probably be around a 7770.

The best case scenario for GK106 assuming historical estimates may not leave it powerful enough to do anything other than trade blows with AMD and probably won't be able to beat the 7870 so they may not want to use it for the 660. nVidia may very well stretch GK104 to cover that spot and just save up dies with defects that can still be salvaged by disabling cores. If 3 SMs were disabled it would still leave them with 960 CUDA cores, which would allow it to edge out the 7870. Assuming that they want the 670 to similarly edge out the 7950, they'd only want to disable 1 SM.

My best guess for the rest of the lineup is as follows:

670: GK104
660: GK104
650: GK106
640: GK106
630: GK108

 

[DominionSeraph]

What makes you think nVidia will be able to undercut AMD by that much? Sure they were able to with the 680, but that was only 9% cheaper than the 7970.

Nvidia was able to competitively price the GF100 and GF110. The GK104 is even smaller than the GTX 460 which launched at $200.

 

[imaheadcase]

So do we know if they are coming out with a "better" 680? or is that it for a few a year+?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Its looking like a disappointing transition. Good performance but the cost ugh. Ill stick with my GTX260.

 

[Silverforce11]

There's a chart with all the kepler variant specs, which was true for gk104, it was leaked months ago.

gk106 is exactly half a gk104 in terms of shaders and has a 192bit bus.

So what's half a gk104 in terms of performance, a gtx560? Should go for $200.. though with 28nm the way it is, could be $300..

 

[lavaheadache]

Its looking like a disappointing transition. Good performance but the cost ugh. Ill stick with my GTX260.

The cost is as usual.

 

[tviceman]

There's a chart with all the kepler variant specs, which was true for gk104, it was leaked months ago.

gk106 is exactly half a gk104 in terms of shaders and has a 192bit bus.

So what's half a gk104 in terms of performance, a gtx560? Should go for $200.. though with 28nm the way it is, could be $300..

If GK106's specs are, in fact, what that rumor says, then Nvidia is going to have an awfully big gap between gk104 and gk106 performance wise. It will, at best, perform slightly better than a gtx560ti.

 

[themodernlife]

I don't know if they are going to release much more until the next flagship retouch, the 680 was meant to be a mid level performer that happened to just absolutely scream compared to what was intended.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

Its looking like a disappointing transition. Good performance but the cost ugh. Ill stick with my GTX260.

For someone running a gtx 260 I'd say getting a gtx 560 ti or gtx 570 while they're clearing out stock and they are cheap would be the way to get the most for your dollar. No need for the latest and greatest. A gtx 570 would be a huge upgrade and I've seen some awesome deals popping up.

 

[lavaheadache]

I feel that going the used route is a great way to spend little money and have great performance

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Good point Mr Trash. I just feel the $250 point is being passed this gen. I've never spend more than that for my x1950 (pro?), x850 (it blowed up), 9500pro or my voodoo 5. The 260gtx still plays most at medium so it more irritating than urgent.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

I feel that going the used route is a great way to spend little money and have great performance

There will be tons of decently priced used 7970s and 680s if Nvidia drops a GK100 this summer :whiste:

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

Good point Mr Trash. I just feel the $250 point is being passed this gen. I've never spend more than that for my x1950 (pro?), x850 (it blowed up), 9500pro or my voodoo 5. The 260gtx still plays most at medium so it more irritating than urgent.

I have a gtx 260 in my 2nd pc. If you're not picky it'll run most games on medium with lots of settings turned down. BF3 was a no go though so I couldn't use it anymore. I figured I'd use a gtx 260 for a while right after I sold a gtx 580. I think the 260 lasted a week in my main pc. The gtx 580 spoiled me. lol! I picked up a gtx 480 cheap. I'm always surprised at how games still look good even when turned down. It is pretty awesome though when you turn up the settings and foliage comes alive, walls crumble, etc..

 

[Fanatical Meat]

funny my 260 seems to do BF3 at medium and I agree it works but its barely acceptable.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

funny my 260 seems to do BF3 at medium and I agree it works but its barely acceptable.

At medium I was seeing drops into the 20's way too much. I can do mid 30's usually. 40's seem smooth to me. Running it on low just wasn't appealing to me. Especially after running it with an oc'ed gtx 580 for a while. BF3 is a rare game that's actually worth upgrading for. Graphics are insane and it's fun as heck. Rare combination these days.

 

[poohbear]

wow talk about off topic!!! nobody answered the OPs question! ppl just rambling about all kinds of stuff! back to the topic: when are the midrange Fermi vid cards coming out? i.e the 660ti?

 

[Stuka87]

wow talk about off topic!!! nobody answered the OPs question! ppl just rambling about all kinds of stuff! back to the topic: when are the midrange Fermi vid cards coming out? i.e the 660ti?

Post #3 was an answer. But really, I don't think anybody knows.

 

[Mopetar]

If GK106's specs are, in fact, what that rumor says, then Nvidia is going to have an awfully big gap between gk104 and gk106 performance wise. It will, at best, perform slightly better than a gtx560ti.

That's why I think the 660 will be a GK104 die with 3 SMs disabled. That would put the performance right where they'd want it and it allows them to salvage GK104 dies that can't make the cut to be a 680 or have too many defects to make a 670.

There will be tons of decently priced used 7970s and 680s if Nvidia drops a GK100 this summer :whiste:

It seems unlikely that they'll have it out that soon. I'm guessing it won't be out until September at the earliest, and even then if they're going to make something with computer performance to go after the HPC market (which they obviously want to do) the card won't be the gaming wonder that the current 680 is. The performance will improve, but most people will be better off getting another 680 than upgrading.

 

[Silverforce11]

That's why I think the 660 will be a GK104 die with 3 SMs disabled. That would put the performance right where they'd want it and it allows them to salvage GK104 dies that can't make the cut to be a 680 or have too many defects to make a 670.

Yup, the gk104 die can be harvested for lower products. So there's definitely going to be gtx670s. Because 28nm production is so low for GPUs, they will want to get every usable die they can, we may see 2 derivatives of the gk104 die in maybe a gtx660ti card as well.

gk106 can be regular gtx660 downwards.

As to ~$250 perf/$ now? It's hard to beat a 6950 2gb, it's still very strong once unlocked or just even an OC.

 

[Mopetar]

Found this article that suggests we'll see the 670 in May and the 560 sometime in Q3. They also predict 2 670 versions at various prices. The details on GK110 aren't specifically mention, but they suggest that it could come out in the October - December time frame.

 

[blastingcap]

Have you seen this?

http://videocardz.com/31551/geforce-600-roadmap-partially-exposed-gtx-670-ti-coming-in-may