For us you payed for your lunches in cash. So a student could use that money for junk food instead. The problem is that allthough parents tend to favor healthy food they don't want to pay more and the junk food is MUCH more popular with the students (suprise!). Basically, since we can't stand over our kids while they eat lunch, the only way to get them to eat better is to remove the junk food options (at least the really bad stuff like sodas and candy). I don't really see this as a government thing though. It seems to be more influenced by the individual schools and school systems. Schools are the ones making these options available.
For us you payed for your lunches in cash. So a student could use that money for junk food instead. The problem is that allthough parents tend to favor healthy food they don't want to pay more and the junk food is MUCH more popular with the students (suprise!). Basically, since we can't stand over our kids while they eat lunch, the only way to get them to eat better is to remove the junk food options (at least the really bad stuff like sodas and candy). I don't really see this as a government thing though. It seems to be more influenced by the individual schools and school systems. Schools are the ones making these options available.
They do. The snapple and chipwich are snacks meant for after school. The standard $2 lunch = carton of milk, side, and entree.
I'd like my kids to enjoy the occasional dessert, what kind of freedom is it taking that away from them because of some fatties who can't control themselves.
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I guess it wouldn't be that bad removing the sodas, candy, and junk food from public school cafeterias. If the parents really want their kids eating that crap, I guess they can always pack their kids a lunch of a Mountain Dew, a bag of Guacamole Doritos, and a stack of double-thick Oreos.
Sup.Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Wow. Flatter yourself much?
So by stating that exercise and nutrition for children is largely the responsibilty of their parents, and not the federal governement, he's a fake ex-Democrat?
Alright I had to create this account because the stupid anandtech server thingie changed the mailing address for the forgotten passwords somehow :| God knows where its sending all of my requests. So I am using this account for work.
Summary: This is me when I'm at work.
Ok on to the topic at hand. You do seem to like posting against me, I'm not flattering myself because you do it quite a lot.
As for Chicken, god knows where he found this damn thing. Probably buried real deep. This isn't really news worthy at all. Hes taking the Democrats insignificant assault on an insignificant news story on Bush and blowing it out of proportion.
Oh, and no I don't think American parents can do a god damn thing. They must be some of the worst parents in the world. They live in the richest country in the world with huge amounts of parental advice, booklets etc. and half of them couldn't give a rats ass about their kids. Either that or their way too stressed out from working too much to care about their kids. The government at some point may have to step in. The amount of drugs, alcohol, bad food, dangerous skating and driving this generation does is absurd. Now I'm all for the above in moderation, I happen to think drugs can change your entire life outlook and make you a better person if you are with the right people, but some of the kids I know are absolutely out of it. And these aren't poor ghetto kids. These are rich white kids who down 17 shots a night.
That seems reasonable, pack a dessert in their lunch
.All kidding aside, I don't believe you're hurting any students by removing the really bad foods (soda, sugary drinks, really unhealthy foods). Who loses? The people who supply schools w/ that sort of food, and until there is enough demand by people in communities to stop selling crappy food in school, kids will eat it. The parents have a difficult time with this unless they don't give the kids money and pack a lunch, but some are too busy getting to work in the morning etc.
I don't think there is any logical reason for schools to sell really unhealthy foods, besides the "free will." The problem with that argument is that children develop lots of habits at a young age, and by introducing them to crappy foods starting from elementary schools, they are more likely to develop those bad habits.
Won't someone think of the children?
Woohoo!!! We agree on something! Although I feel more strongly: It would be GREAT if they removed those
.The government is partially responsible for the low quality food served in school cafeterias.USDA website on school lunch program
Unfortunately, USDA tends to act like FDA. Instead of serving children, they tend to believe industry is their master. Accordingly, the menu is filled with crappy staples plus an extraordinary amount of processed food.
On a positive note, several states are taking the initiative to ban vending machines (or at least ban minimally nutritious offerings). Several local school districts are testing model programs of expanding fresh produce offerings in school meals.
Physical fitness used to be an integral part of EVERY school's curriculum. I believe Illinois is the only state left that has mandatory daily physical activity. The trend downwards certainly didn't start with Bush . . . it's decades old in fact. But his BS legislation "Leave No Child Properly Educated But Test the Crap Out of Them", compels school systems to cut resources in domains that are not dogmatically associated with standardized test performance.
No Child Left Behind is an unfunded mandate in everything but name only. Most of the Arts were cut first but PE wasn't far behind. Bush isn't evil . . . just shortsighted and ignorant.
Oh and for the record, Bush's health was "superior" for his age.
Unfortunately, USDA tends to act like FDA. Instead of serving children, they tend to believe industry is their master. Accordingly, the menu is filled with crappy staples plus an extraordinary amount of processed food.
On a positive note, several states are taking the initiative to ban vending machines (or at least ban minimally nutritious offerings). Several local school districts are testing model programs of expanding fresh produce offerings in school meals.
Physical fitness used to be an integral part of EVERY school's curriculum. I believe Illinois is the only state left that has mandatory daily physical activity. The trend downwards certainly didn't start with Bush . . . it's decades old in fact. But his BS legislation "Leave No Child Properly Educated But Test the Crap Out of Them", compels school systems to cut resources in domains that are not dogmatically associated with standardized test performance.
No Child Left Behind is an unfunded mandate in everything but name only. Most of the Arts were cut first but PE wasn't far behind. Bush isn't evil . . . just shortsighted and ignorant.
Oh and for the record, Bush's health was "superior" for his age.
How do you offer a well balanced meal of fresh produce for $2? Of course its processed food.
I can pack chips with my kids lunch, but I can't easily pack soda and keep it cold enough 8-10 hours later after sports practice. Besides, get rid of snacks, and 711 props up a store 1000 feet away. I would think a middle/high school kid is old enough to decide when he/she wants a candy bar?
What happened to parenting in this country?
The author of that memo should take a look at the REAL results of Title IX, before making those ridiculous statements.
What am I saying, I'm sure they already know the real results, they just dont care.
What am I saying, I'm sure they already know the real results, they just dont care.
I don't really think that's true. Men's basketball and football, for example, bring in revenue many times higher than the cost of the programs, which probably is used to subsidize other sports. At least at most D1 schools, they require nothing from the university besides players. And its also other men's sports that fall under this category. Men's squash is just as useless as women's basketball in this regard.
It would probably make colleges cheaper if we could cancel useless crap like women's lacrosse that ends up costing the students money.
corrections in bold. Remember that not all schools get thier games broadcast on TV, and make millions in merchandising. I think the schools that actuall break even or better with athletics is 5%. Title IX has caused more harm than good in most schools.
Planning . . . preferrably central. Further, the Web is under utilized as a resource to bring providers (producers within a reasonable radius) and schools together. Further, some districts are so retarded that they run their food programs as semi-autonomous or fully outsourced. It's the very lack of control that produces such warped priorities in the kiddie food chain.
Before this past year, kindergartners (that's 5-6 yrs old) at my wife's school could go through the lunch line and purchase an armful of Lil' Debbie snack cakes. At the same time, one old hag almost had it out with my father-in-law b/c she refused to allow him to purchase a salad for a kid.
Oh . . . parenting sux . . . but it's hard to compete with the "consumer" culture. Morgan Spurlock's movie was a touch over the top but the general concepts are accurate. Unless you lock your kid in the basement, they will be inundated with media images that glamorize garbage 24/7. It's hard enough for vigilant two-parent households to have a fighting chance but it's a total disaster for kids of working single-parents.
So for the record, the DNC has identified a real problem. It's not Bush's fault overall but he hasn't helped.
Sounds fair to me, and accurate. What's wrong with them pointing out the hypocrisy of Bush's actions: Taking care of his own health but not ensuring the proper health education for young Americans, by cutting funding for those programs and for not leading on some new initiatives to do so.
Are the Republicans better at PR, obviously, yes. But this is legit stuff you're poo-pooing.
We'll see how it all works out in the end.
What Consitutes "fat"? I know thin people with crazy cholesterol who are the laziest peoploe, but i know people who are pudgy because they eat quite a bit, but they exerscise regularly and although they have a gut, they are infintely healthier from the thin people.
To constitute what is "fat" is hard. Its obvious by observing people, but its harder when you have to quantify it...
Well, some googling resulted in Text
Overall for Division I-A, 74 institutions reported that revenues exceeded expenditures.
In Division I-A programs, football and men's basketball continue to make profits for many institutions.
Sixty-four percent of football programs made a profit, a seven percent decline from the previous study.
Nearly three-fourths of Division I basketball programs report profits. Seventy-four Division I institutions reported that revenues exceeded expenses in men's basketball
There's a lot more there how some schools end up losing money, and a further breakdown. Remember, a lot more students attend big state universities than small private colleges. Many of those large universities are breaking even with athletics, and profiting on the big cash sports.
Ultimately, I agree. Title IX has done lots of harm, if students want sports that can't pay for themselves in the university they shouldn't be funded by the other students.
Oh please. Try walking or jogging around the block, its free. Bush does itWhy are women entitled to sports programs that cost the rest of students money with rising tuition costs?
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Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Wait - people who change their actions after realizing they were not good/healthy/moral/legal are now hypocrites?
Is that like the humorous "Rehab is for quitters!" t-shirts? You realize that is all in jest, correct?
No. What I meant was those who forget what they were before and preach angrily against what they used to be. An outspoken ex-smoker who gets in your face for smoking as though they had never been an addict themselves was more along the lines of what I was speaking of. The same can be said for religious zealots who do the same thing with pushing their new found faith on others, even after you have told them flat out you are happy with your personal choice of religion or lack thereof.
Well I had a pretty long response to you Gunslinger, but the whorish mod deleted my work account :| Oh well it got me bummed I might come back tomorrow.
Do you have a link to any district that has successfully managed such a policy? I know around here an apple is $.50 or so at the local shoprite, a $2 lunch can hardly be maintained under those costs even in bulk. My school district did outsource the school lunches to another company, at the board of ed meetings they mentioned how it saved the district money.
Blaming the media and corporations is the easy way to find excuses for your own shortcomings. I've known many parents, mine included, that were able to successfully teach their kids proper habits.
Then what is it about? Mandatory physical education in school just gives the fatties a class to blow off. You think anyone really cares about gym?
That's because we don't actually grade PE anymore. You show up, you get an A. Maybe we should start grading it on performance.
Well, I'm not really concerned so much about the lunch as I am the snack foods and sodas. The lunches may not be the best, but they aren't why the kids are getting fat. Its cuase they're skipping the lunch and spending their money on junk food instead.
NCAA Division 1-A represents what Percentage of colleges in the USA? Your looking at a tiny fraction of the overall picture, coincidentally, the one that makes all the money off of sports programs.
ah, yes, as opposed to the RNC, who only spread false rumors about their opponents having illegitimate black babies and slandering war heroes' service records (I'm not talking about Kerry)
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