When will the Chinese government learn?

FreshPrince

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stop shooting your own people!

how do you expect the world to respect you if you keep showing the world that you're capable of doing anything to your own people.

summary:

chinese government = sux :thumbsdown:

China led by Taiwan = good :thumbsup:

sad thing is that the rest of the chinese people are so brain washed by their own government that they don't see any wrong in this :(
 

DaWhim

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Originally posted by: FreshPrince
summary:

chinese government = sux :thumbsdown:

China led by Taiwan = good :thumbsup:

are you a taiwanese? you sound like an idiot.
 

Looney

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Originally posted by: FreshPrince
stop shooting your own people!

how do you expect the world to respect you if you keep showing the world that you're capable of doing anything to your own people.

summary:

chinese government = sux :thumbsdown:

China led by Taiwan = good :thumbsup:

sad thing is that the rest of the chinese people are so brain washed by their own government that they don't see any wrong in this :(

Yeah, you're right. Illegally invading another country and killing those people will get you more respect.
 

mwmorph

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Originally posted by: FreshPrince
stop shooting your own people!

how do you expect the world to respect you if you keep showing the world that you're capable of doing anything to your own people.

summary:

chinese government = sux :thumbsdown:

China led by Taiwan = good :thumbsup:

sad thing is that the rest of the chinese people are so brain washed by their own government that they don't see any wrong in this :(




1. P&N

2. I'm chinese, naturalized US citizen and though China has it's problems it's really overblown by those in america that just seem to hate us chinese because imho many americans are brainwashed by the sensationalized stories. It's just like how most of the rest of the world hates us fro the tourture scandal and invasion and in general just trying to stir up more problems with this whole axis of evil thing. Goverment preference is in the eye of the beholder. When i lived in china, and some of my family still do, the goverment really wasnt all that opressing at all. I mean, none of that crap happens to 99% of the people.

3. The actions of 1 man cannot determine the strength and decency of 1 goverment, otherwise we would be guilty as charged with Michael Brown FEMA mishap and the possible unhonest appointment of him to such a high position, a man whose last job ended up being fired as a show camel judge and who had no exprience in emergency services basically let all those people die. This is the same situation. A PLA captain shot some guys, the federal goveremnt detainesd him. Someone ****** up and the Chinese goverment did something responsible by arresting the man that did wrong, to be probably court marshalled. Tell me you dont think the chinese goverment ordered a guy to shoot civilians and then detained him. Obviously 1 stupid guy disobeyed orders.

4. Idiot. If yuo dont know what it's like besides some sensationalized news stories and anti chinese brainwashing, dont speak out.

5. Dont even get me get into the taiwan situation. It's a 50 year civil war. Our war. Get out of it. How would you like if if say back in the day the british suddenly sweeped through U.S. and then instated the confederate goverment? Get out of everyone else's business. We're not attacking U.N. Peacekeepers or commiting Genocide, we're just trying to conclude a 50 year civil war.

6. China has a relatively young govermant, a situation we had a had in shaping(with the whole asia coprosperity spheres of influence causing dissent and the overthrow of the emperors). All young goverments make mistakes. We quashed a lot of rebellions with military might in the first few decades after the Constitution was created. With the whole salvery thing, killing a bunch of people, destroying the indians, and recklessly causing friction with sapin(florida), France, Nritan, Mexico, the lsit goes on. We look good now, seeing as our goverment is in it's prime/middle aged stage, but yuo have to rmemeber China's goverment is like a 10 year old with a gun. Old enough to cause some damage but not old enough to truly realize the consequences.
 

dighn

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Originally posted by: mwmorph
1. P&N

2. I'm chinese, naturalized US citizen and though China has it's problems it's really overblown by those in america that just seem to hate us chinese because imho many americans are brainwashed by the sensationalized stories. It's just like how most of the rest of the world hates us fro the tourture scandal and invasion and in general just trying to stir up more problems with this whole axis of evil thing. Goverment preference is in the eye of the beholder. When i lived in china, and some of my family still do, the goverment really wasnt all that opressing at all. I mean, none of that crap happens to 99% of the people.

3. The actions of 1 man cannot determine the strength and decency of 1 goverment, otherwise we would be guilty as charged with Michael Brown FEMA mishap and the possible unhonest appointment of him to such a high position, a man whose last job ended up being fired as a show camel judge and who had no exprience in emergency services basically let all those people die. This is the same situation. A PLA captain shot some guys, the federal goveremnt detainesd him. Someone ****** up and the Chinese goverment did something responsible by arresting the man that did wrong, to be probably court marshalled

QFT. The prejuidice exhibited by the western world is so deep that I have stopped caring a long time ago. I'm sure it will eventually go away though as time goes on and China progresses.

Anyway, it's a big country with over 1/6 the world's population in a state of great transition. Isolated incidents like this which was the result of one man don't really say that much about the government.
 

Atomicus

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Originally posted by: DaWhim
Originally posted by: FreshPrince
summary:

chinese government = sux :thumbsdown:

China led by Taiwan = good :thumbsup:

are you a taiwanese? you sound like an idiot.

China would be better off led by Taiwan, but only under the Blue party IMO. The Blue party's stance is that Taiwan's government is the proper government of China based on the fact that it was established by none other than the Kuomintang (the rightful Chinese gov't before Communist leadership took power).

For a while, the Chinese gov't = Communist. You would probably agree with the OP if he said China is better off ruled under the Taiwanese form of gov't.

In response to mwmorph's point #3: Although the OP points out this one incident, there are too many similar incidences from which we can point the finger to. Let us not forget about Tiananmen Square.
 

Einz

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Originally posted by: FreshPrince
stop shooting your own people!

how do you expect the world to respect you if you keep showing the world that you're capable of doing anything to your own people.

summary:

chinese government = sux :thumbsdown:

China led by Taiwan = good :thumbsup:

sad thing is that the rest of the chinese people are so brain washed by their own government that they don't see any wrong in this :(

China led by Taiwan = good

All that's going to come out of that is a huge parliament that fights all day. Seriously, have you seen how ineffective the Taiwanese are? They can barely run an island, let alone a nation the size of the US.

 

FreshPrince

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the chinese government would have you believe that it's the action of one commander, but we all know the truth don't we?
 

zoiks

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Originally posted by: FreshPrince
the chinese government would have you believe that it's the action of one commander, but we all know the truth don't we?

Was the Viet Cong involved?
 

dighn

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Originally posted by: FreshPrince
the chinese government would have you believe that it's the action of one commander, but we all know the truth don't we?

:roll: I guess you should just believe whatever you want to eh?

Besides, the article said the protestors were throwing explosives at the police. That's one hell of a messy situation.
 

envy me

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Invading China is not the answer.
Invading Venezuala is not the answer.
Invading Iran is not the answer.


Invade the damned White House and the world will be better off!
 

DaWhim

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Originally posted by: Atomicus


China would be better off led by Taiwan, but only under the Blue party IMO. The Blue party's stance is that Taiwan's government is the proper government of China based on the fact that it was established by none other than the Kuomintang (the rightful Chinese gov't before Communist leadership took power).

For a while, the Chinese gov't = Communist. You would probably agree with the OP if he said China is better off ruled under the Taiwanese form of gov't.

oh yea, first, communist couldn't just "take over" china. KMT was always stronger. you know about the "long march"? it should've been a "long flee." communist started with nothing.

why did the KMT lose to the communist back 60 years ago (1945-1949)? corruption. guess who was he richest man in the world right after the world war 2? check out this book Song's Dynasty.

come back when you know more modern chinese history.
 

mwmorph

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Originally posted by: FreshPrince
the chinese government would have you believe that it's the action of one commander, but we all know the truth don't we?

hey, uh stand there and ill throw some C4 at you. Then everyone will complain when you shoot me.
 

DaWhim

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Originally posted by: FreshPrince
the chinese government would have you believe that it's the action of one commander, but we all know the truth don't we?

use some common sense. it happened a coastal village. you think beijing would be that stupid to order killing its own people when this place is accessible by the western media?

you think the government didn't learn anything from the Tianamen square? right, with trillion of dollar world trades at stake.
 

JLGatsby

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From the looks of the picture, it seems they needed to shoot them to stop them from burning down the city.
 

Looney

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Originally posted by: Atomicus
Originally posted by: DaWhim
Originally posted by: FreshPrince
summary:

chinese government = sux :thumbsdown:

China led by Taiwan = good :thumbsup:

are you a taiwanese? you sound like an idiot.

China would be better off led by Taiwan, but only under the Blue party IMO. The Blue party's stance is that Taiwan's government is the proper government of China based on the fact that it was established by none other than the Kuomintang (the rightful Chinese gov't before Communist leadership took power).

For a while, the Chinese gov't = Communist. You would probably agree with the OP if he said China is better off ruled under the Taiwanese form of gov't.

In response to mwmorph's point #3: Although the OP points out this one incident, there are too many similar incidences from which we can point the finger to. Let us not forget about Tiananmen Square.

You obviously don't know anything about Chinese history. The KMT was more corrupt and selfish than Mao and the communists ever were.
 

0roo0roo

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Sep 21, 2002
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Originally posted by: mwmorph
Originally posted by: FreshPrince
stop shooting your own people!

how do you expect the world to respect you if you keep showing the world that you're capable of doing anything to your own people.

summary:

chinese government = sux :thumbsdown:

China led by Taiwan = good :thumbsup:

sad thing is that the rest of the chinese people are so brain washed by their own government that they don't see any wrong in this :(




1. P&N

2. I'm chinese, naturalized US citizen and though China has it's problems it's really overblown by those in america that just seem to hate us chinese because imho many americans are brainwashed by the sensationalized stories. It's just like how most of the rest of the world hates us fro the tourture scandal and invasion and in general just trying to stir up more problems with this whole axis of evil thing. Goverment preference is in the eye of the beholder. When i lived in china, and some of my family still do, the goverment really wasnt all that opressing at all. I mean, none of that crap happens to 99% of the people.

3. The actions of 1 man cannot determine the strength and decency of 1 goverment, otherwise we would be guilty as charged with Michael Brown FEMA mishap and the possible unhonest appointment of him to such a high position, a man whose last job ended up being fired as a show camel judge and who had no exprience in emergency services basically let all those people die. This is the same situation. A PLA captain shot some guys, the federal goveremnt detainesd him. Someone ****** up and the Chinese goverment did something responsible by arresting the man that did wrong, to be probably court marshalled. Tell me you dont think the chinese goverment ordered a guy to shoot civilians and then detained him. Obviously 1 stupid guy disobeyed orders.

4. Idiot. If yuo dont know what it's like besides some sensationalized news stories and anti chinese brainwashing, dont speak out.

5. Dont even get me get into the taiwan situation. It's a 50 year civil war. Our war. Get out of it. How would you like if if say back in the day the british suddenly sweeped through U.S. and then instated the confederate goverment? Get out of everyone else's business. We're not attacking U.N. Peacekeepers or commiting Genocide, we're just trying to conclude a 50 year civil war.

6. China has a relatively young govermant, a situation we had a had in shaping(with the whole asia coprosperity spheres of influence causing dissent and the overthrow of the emperors). All young goverments make mistakes. We quashed a lot of rebellions with military might in the first few decades after the Constitution was created. With the whole salvery thing, killing a bunch of people, destroying the indians, and recklessly causing friction with sapin(florida), France, Nritan, Mexico, the lsit goes on. We look good now, seeing as our goverment is in it's prime/middle aged stage, but yuo have to rmemeber China's goverment is like a 10 year old with a gun. Old enough to cause some damage but not old enough to truly realize the consequences.

there is no free press in china so although you lived there you really know nothing about what happens in the country. and no its not just one protest we are talking about here, tens of thousands of these go on each year and are suppressed. you are the one that has been brainwashed into being an apologist for china.

as for the civil war your take on it is just ignorant. its more like if the union had lost most of its territory but the confederates failed to finish the war. then years later it claims it is victorious when it was not and threatens to attack the remaining union if it claims independence, when everyone already knows it is and acts independently for the longest time. its basically china threatening a democracy with war if it doensn't go along with its bullsh*t lies. only a moron who shouldn't be living in the usa would support that. if you do, go home. hell, just for mao's responsibility in the deaths of 70 million chinese the rulling party should have lost power. one of the biggest crimes against humanity ever.
a new book based on newly revealed soviet archives and such shows the real mao for what he was. a monster who cared nothing for his people.
Mao : The Unknown Story
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0679422714/