When will P4 Celeron move to smaller die/more cache?

[bluemax]

If I get what I'm hoping to get I'm gonna' need a P4 processor to plunk into the system. CHEAP is the order of the day, and it doesn't need to be fancy anyways.

A P4 Celeron will fit the bill nicely, but any idea when they'll make the move to the .13 256k cache of the newer chips? Yes this will render the old P4's obsolete to be undercut by Celerons.... but will it be happening before Christmas?

 

[meefmah]

Another thread that's been edited while typing my, now irrelevant, reply.

 

[TwilightZone77]

Apparantly, the new Northwood Celerons will still only have 128kb cache, so clock-for-clock, they won't be any faster than the previous Willimette Celerons.

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The .13 micron Celerons evidently are here already. Intel announced (at least, was going to announce last I heard) a 2ghz .13 celeron on September first. Unfortuneatly, with its small cache, it will still be quite a poor performer.

 

[TwilightZone77]

Apparantly, the new Northwood Celerons will still only have 128kb cache, so clock-for-clock, they won't be any faster than the previous Willimette Celerons.

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The .13 micron Celerons evidently are here already. Intel announced (at least, was going to announce last I heard) a 2ghz .13 celeron on September first. Unfortuneatly, with its small cache, it will still be quite a poor performer.

 

[MadRat]

Cache isn't a big concern for gamers.

 

[Athlon4all]

Originally posted by: MadRat
Cache isn't a big concern for gamers.

Hmmm, compare the P4 1.7 to the Celery 1.7 (which essentially is comparing the old Williamette 128 Celeron's and the possible future Northwood-256 Celeron's) in Anandtech's Celeron review here. 20% (6fps) in UT 2003, 17% in JN2 (11fps diff) and 45% in Comanche 4 (10fps). Fairly significant IMHO.

I think what will be happening is that either the next Celeron or the 2GHz Celeron coming, they will be .13 Micron CPU's but will still have only 128K as a interm thing (essentially the Northwood-128 core). You gotta realize, even with half the cache of the willy, the current celerons have massive power requirements and heat dissipation amounts, not to mention there have been some shortages,and if Intel transistioned the Williamette-128 to .13 micron, that would help all 3 of these problems, plus allow them to mzake more $$$'s on selling the CPU's. I do still think that sometime in 2003, we will see the Northwood-256 core debut and will boost the Celeron's speed, but by then, Prescott with its massive 1Meg of L2 Cace, will once again keep a pretty large difference between the P4 and its slower Celeron brothers.