Argh! Nooooo!
DVD isn't a pre-requisite for 5.1 sound. We don't need another multimedia "revolution" where they're slapping full-motion video sequences everywhere just because they can!
You must not be old enough to remember the garbage that came out when they finally figured out how to put video into CD-ROM games. Ugh!
It is for AC-3/DD 5.1/DTS w/out requiring extra CDs. I got 5.1 sound with my SBLive!, but games weren't DD 5.1 like my XBox. Advanced EAX HD with my Audigy 2 is quite excellent in games that support it, but it still doesn't sound as good as my XBox, particularly LFE.
Dunno what crappy games you're referring to, but I don't remember playing crappy games with crappy FMV or cut-scenes. Plus there's always the ESC key.You must not be old enough to remember the garbage that came out when they finally figured out how to put video into CD-ROM games. Ugh!
Chiz
I don't have a DVD-ROM, however if applications and games actually started to come out on DVD, I would probably get one. But for now, the only real use for a DVD-ROM is for movies, of which I watch on my standalone DVD player.
Nope, never played it. But I do remember a very excellent game that was based on a similar concept. What was it called, Dragonslayer or something like that? Based on the cartoon series with the same name. It read off a laserdisc and was like a big interactive movie. 3DO might be a better example of what you're referring to.
In any case, DD 5.1 compared to FMV isn't a very good comparison, as it would clearly improve the quality of existing soundtracks and positional sound.
Chiz
BoberFett
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What you're talking about is Dragon's Lair, definitely one game that'll be forever mentioned in the history books of video gaming. Most early FMV games were crap.
I have a DVD drive only because I had to replace my CD drive, and DVD wasn't much more expensive.
I have a DVD drive only because I had to replace my CD drive, and DVD wasn't much more expensive.
Eug
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Personally I think if you're building a new computer, it's foolish not to include a DVD-capable drive (ie. DVD burner, CD-RW/DVD combo, or else two drives), unless it's a low budget one. Of course I'm biased though.
I used DVD for data storage, and of course video. People with older computers ask me to send them home made DVDs, but then tell me they don't have DVD drives on their computer and their DVD player isn't DVD-R compatible. If they had spent the extra $20 on their computer when they bought it last year it would not have been an issue.
BTW, my Mac G4 Titanium PowerBook software restore disk is a DVD. You can't even get a multi-CD version of it, but that makes sense considering ALL new PowerBooks can read DVD. I also just bought iDVD 3 for the Mac. It comes on DVD (of course). The app is something like 2.3 GB. :Q
I used DVD for data storage, and of course video. People with older computers ask me to send them home made DVDs, but then tell me they don't have DVD drives on their computer and their DVD player isn't DVD-R compatible. If they had spent the extra $20 on their computer when they bought it last year it would not have been an issue.
BTW, my Mac G4 Titanium PowerBook software restore disk is a DVD. You can't even get a multi-CD version of it, but that makes sense considering ALL new PowerBooks can read DVD. I also just bought iDVD 3 for the Mac. It comes on DVD (of course). The app is something like 2.3 GB. :Q
Ever Remember SEGACD. Actually have one.
Some GOOD FMV GAMES.
-GROUND ZERO TEXAS (ACTUALLY PRETTY DAMN GOOD)
-CORPSE KILLER (OK GAME)
-Night Trap wasnt that bad.
-TOMCAT ALLEY (PRETTY COOL)
BAD GAMES
-POWER RANGERS. IT WAS THE WHOLE FIRST EPISODE
-Midnight Raid
-Plus countless others
-Way of the Warrior (WORST GAME EVER MADE)!!!!!!!
Would you consider Lethal Enforcer FMV? It did have real actors
Some GOOD FMV GAMES.
-GROUND ZERO TEXAS (ACTUALLY PRETTY DAMN GOOD)
-CORPSE KILLER (OK GAME)
-Night Trap wasnt that bad.
-TOMCAT ALLEY (PRETTY COOL)
BAD GAMES
-POWER RANGERS. IT WAS THE WHOLE FIRST EPISODE
-Midnight Raid
-Plus countless others
-Way of the Warrior (WORST GAME EVER MADE)!!!!!!!
Would you consider Lethal Enforcer FMV? It did have real actors
I don't understand why DD 5.1 would require the use of of a DVD-ROM drive. Can't it just be encoded on the fly from within whatever application is outputting the sound? Surely, you don't think that all of your X-Box sound is just pre-recorded sound clips playing off of the DVD?Originally posted by: chizow
It is for AC-3/DD 5.1/DTS w/out requiring extra CDs. I got 5.1 sound with my SBLive!, but games weren't DD 5.1 like my XBox. Advanced EAX HD with my Audigy 2 is quite excellent in games that support it, but it still doesn't sound as good as my XBox, particularly LFE.
Dunno what crappy games you're referring to, but I don't remember playing crappy games with crappy FMV or cut-scenes. Plus there's always the ESC key.You must not be old enough to remember the garbage that came out when they finally figured out how to put video into CD-ROM games. Ugh!
Chiz
As far as the abuse of full motion video...a LOT of FMV sequences were implemented in terrible and unavoidable (to the gamer) ways. We would have gotten away easy if it was just used for cut-scenes back then!
Imagine playing a jet-fighter type of game where the programmers decided to interrupt your gameplay with a FMV sequence of a launching missile every time you launched one. Or, how about a driving game where the track is pre-recorded full-screen video of a "real" race track with your video-game car just superimposed on the video?
I don't think you'd like either of those.
I play lots of new games on my rig (2400XP, 512Mb PC2100DDR and a GeForce4 4600) and I don't have a DVD drive...no need for one. If they were to start releasing games on DVD, perhaps it would make me reconsider upgrading to a DVD/CDR writer but until then I'm happy with my aging 8x writer.
regular dvd drives are only good for ripping dvds. Though i do agree, some games are getting outta hand with 3 CDs
dullard
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#2 fits me, however, I don't own a DVD drive. 5 years ago I had a dilemma: pay $100 extra for a DVD drive or not. I didn't. Great choice, since I never found the need for one. Flash forward 5 years. I recently bought a computer and I had a dilemma: pay $20 extra for a DVD drive or not. I didn't. I still don't have any reason for one. All games I've wanted to play come on CDs so why pay extra for something I have no use for?
When games first came out on CDs their quality sucked. I think of all the games I played before CDs and all of them kept me entertained hours a day for months on end. Then CD games came out - most of which were just made for eye candy and had no game play at all. Does the 7th Guest ring a bell? The whole thing had like 10 puzzles that could each be solved in 5 minutes or less. Sure it looked great, but that was the biggest waste of money ever. I really hope that doesn't happen when software companies convert to DVDs. Put in a hour of movie clips and then forget to program a fun game...
It doesn't, but again, when people complain about a game being 3 to 5 discs, a 4th or 5th disc for DD 5.1 wouldn't sit too well, now would it? The DVD-ROM would only serve as a technology enabler, as 9GB on a single disc compard to ~800MB allows for significantly more data storage.
Sure, it can be encoded on the fly, but it will still only sound as good as the original stream. 5.1 encoded sound ALWAYS sounds better than real-time DD encoded from a 2.0/2.1 source (which is what you get in most PC games). Also, you'd need hardware capable of real-time DD encoding/upmixing (nForce, XBox), and it still won't sound as good as DD 5.1 that is simply passed through to a DD decoder. Positional sound is much better, and again, so is the LFE (being on a discrete channel rather than crossing over from 2.0). If anything, a pre-encoded AC-3 stream will take up less space than a true 5.1 track, which needs to be encoded and then decoded. And no, my XBox isn't playing pre-recorded sound clips, but it does use pre-encoded AC-3 streams for its DD and isn't simply encoding standard 2.0 stereo.Can't it just be encoded on the fly from within whatever application is outputting the sound? Surely, you don't think that all of your X-Box sound is just pre-recorded sound clips playing off of the DVD?
You're right, I wouldn't like it, but then again, I wouldn't buy it (and didn't, since we are speaking historically). I'm still not sure what games you're referring to, maybe I got lucky and avoided all the crappy games that abused FMV? Or maybe I did my homework and didn't buy cheesy games in that genre to begin with.As far as the abuse of full motion video...a LOT of FMV sequences were implemented in terrible and unavoidable (to the gamer) ways. We would have gotten away easy if it was just used for cut-scenes back then!
Imagine playing a jet-fighter type of game where the programmers decided to interrupt your gameplay with a FMV sequence of a launching missile every time you launched one. Or, how about a driving game where the track is pre-recorded full-screen video of a "real" race track with your video-game car just superimposed on the video?
I don't think you'd like either of those.
Chiz
DrPizza
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I always regretted purchasing a dvd drive in my last computer 1 1/2 years ago... I was so psyched, tv-out on the computer, dvd drive (I didn't have a dvd player at the time). I purchased a couple of dvd movies just so I could watch them on the computer, and to try out the tv-out feature of my video card. What a waste of money. I've since purchased a dvd-player for my tv (and a new tv), and in its lifetime, the dvd drive was only used as a cd-drive opposite my cd-burner. I probably put dvd's into it a total of 10 times.
I now have a dvd-rw though.... I can put massive amounts of files onto a dvd. Unfortunately, if I let my friends borrow the dvdr's, they wouldn't be able to play them, because they don't have a dvd drive in their computer. (I ought to sell them mine though... it's just gathering dust on a shelf).
I now have a dvd-rw though.... I can put massive amounts of files onto a dvd. Unfortunately, if I let my friends borrow the dvdr's, they wouldn't be able to play them, because they don't have a dvd drive in their computer. (I ought to sell them mine though... it's just gathering dust on a shelf).
dvd drives are pretty cheap, but there really hasn't been any use for them in computers yet. I'm pretty sure in the near future games will start coming out on dvd's though. That will happen when companies decide to stop making cdrom drives.
They should release games on DVD! If you don't have one, too bad, go get one. I'm sure you didn't have a 9700Pro or 512MB before Unreal Tournment 2003 came out but you went and got one or the other, or both. When games start coming out on DVD, people will buy the drives! Damn, I've had a DVD drive since Riven was release on DVD! It's about time for people to let the CDROM die (CDRWs still have use though). Sh!t, MS now even gives you the option if you want some of their software on multiple CDs or a single DVD. I'll take the DVD please.
Would anyone here buy that came in DVD versions and CD version if they had to pay $5-$10 more for printing costs. I dont think there is any real need for DVD Games... its not like you have to switch out the disks every time you play... only on install. I have a DVD dive on my computer an i use it for Encarta all the time... but other then that it just sits there.
Originally posted by: JackBurton
They should release games on DVD! If you don't have one, too bad, go get one. I'm sure you didn't have a 9700Pro or 512MB before Unreal Tournment 2 came out but you went and got one or the other, or both. When games start coming out on DVD, people will buy the drives! Damn, I've had a DVD drive since Riven was release on DVD! It's about time for people to let the CDROM die (CDRWs still have use though). Sh!t, MS now even gives you the option if you want some of their software on multiple CDs or a single DVD. I'll take the DVD please.
Me too. You dont have to use the DVD Player for movies, it's huge size for large detailed graphics is what would make it attractive I think.
Uhhh, ya you do. Riven came in 6 CDs or 1 DVD. In Riven, every time you went to a different part of the island, you'd have to put in the CD that had that information. Ya, it sucked HARD! However, with the DVD, you could go anywhere with ONE DVD disc. Also, companies putting out these new games (UT2003) with multiple CDs aren't even using jewel cases (cheap bastards). They just give you 3 or more CDs in CD sleeves. If you happen to lose ONE, you are screwed if you want to reinstall the game. I'm sure it would cost companies the same amount of money (or maybe just a few cents more) to put multiple CD games on DVD instead of several CDs. Also consider single layer DVDs are cheaper than dual. You'd only need 4.7GB for a game that would need up to 6 CDs!
I think it?s going to be a slow conversion, with companies releasing 2 versions of some of their games, a DVD ad CD version. Not all companies will just the bigger developers with big name titles. They may offer extra stuff in the DVD versions to make it a bit more enticing then slowly, fade out CD's altogether.
I reckon ID will make a DVD version of Doom 3. Just an idea but that game is going to be HUGE and they could make Doom 3 even more of a big step forward for games by making it DVD. Really they need some of the big companies with big name titles to make the jump.
I reckon ID will make a DVD version of Doom 3. Just an idea but that game is going to be HUGE and they could make Doom 3 even more of a big step forward for games by making it DVD. Really they need some of the big companies with big name titles to make the jump.
Schadenfroh
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Schadenfroh it will just encourage more people to buy Recordable DVD Drives... which it think would be a good idea because the price of dvd recorder drives would come down and i might be able to buy one.
Newegg has the cheapest plain cd drive for 18, the cheapest dvd 16x is 33. A total difference of 15 bucks to go with a dvd player instead, and under 35 to upgrade if games start coming out on dvd, considering people will pay 300 for a video card, i dont think 35 for a dvd player is asking much. When i got my own computer a few summers ago i got a dvd drive for 35, when i built my new computer a month ago i got a dvd drive. I use my computer as my tv and to watch movies so it was definately worth it. But even without that, if games were on dvd its a very small price to pay. Like said it would at least at first make pirating games a bit harder, which is good or bad depending on which side of the fence your on.
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