When will American Leaders be Dragged into the UN for Libya?

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bshole

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Libya was led by a secular leader and enjoyed the highest gdp per capita in Africa prior to our intervention. We sided with Muslim fundamentalist terrorist (freedom fighters) and then flat out murdered him.

Libya enjoys a gdp per capita that is now 1/6 of what it was prior to our intervention. It is a completely failed state with open market slavery and seemingly no hope or future.

Weirdly we have Americans supportive of toppling Syria, Turkey and Iran even after the cavalcade of disasters posing as a foreign policy. It appears we are on a mission to maximize misery around the globe and destabilize any region we cab get our missiles in to. Never ending war means never ending profits I guess. What happens when we run out of nations to ruin?

https://www.commondreams.org/views/2015/02/17/obama-destroyed-libya

In February 2011, militant Islamists based in the eastern city of Benghazi launched an armed insurgency against Gaddafi's central government in the capital of Tripoli. The rebels were linked in the imaginations of American newsmedia and U.S. foreign policy officials to the Arab Spring uprisings in Tunisia and Egypt's Tahrir Square. But the Benghazi-based rebels, with close ties to Al Qaeda, were ideologically closer to the Free Syrian Army fighters who eventually metastasized into ISIS.

Within the CIA and Defense Departments, Obama administration covertly supplied them with at least $1 billion in cash and weapons. CIA agents and U.S. Special Forces served as "boots on the ground," training opposition fighters how to use sophisticated new weapons.

Obama threw Gaddafi, whose regime was secular and by all accounts had been cooperative and held up his end of the deals with U.S., under the bus.

American forces jammed Libyan military communications. The U.S. fired missiles to intercept Libyan missiles fired at rebel targets. The U.S. led numerous airstrikes against units loyal to Gaddafi. U.S. intervention turned the tide in favor of the Benghazi-based rebels.

In October 2011, one of Obama's killer robot drones participated in Gaddafi's assassination. Game over.

Before invading Iraq, then Secretary of State Colin Powell warned Bush about his "Pottery Barn rule": If you break it, you own it.

Obama has broken the hell out of Libya.

The New York Times now describes Libya as "veer[ing] toward complete chaos."

In 2015, the UK Guardian reports, Libya is in danger of meeting the official international definition of a failed state: "Libya is wracked by violence, factionalism and political polarization – and by the growing menace of jihadi extremism. Two rival governments, parliaments, prime ministers and military forces claim legitimacy. One side is the Islamist-dominated Libya Dawn coalition in Tripoli, the capital. The other camp, Dignity, which is recognized internationally, is based in Tobruk and Bayda. Hundreds of rival militias exist across the country. In recent months the homegrown fighters of Ansar al-Sharia have been challenged by Islamic State (Isis), who released a video showing the beheading of 21 Egyptian Christians. Oil production, the source of most state revenues, has declined massively. Cash is running out and basic services are facing collapse as the financial situation deteriorates. Hopes for change generated by the Arab spring and the demise of Gaddafi’s dictatorship have faded into despair and dysfunction."

"Libya is falling apart. Politically, financially, the economic situation is disastrous," says UN envoy Bernardino León.
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dank69

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Libya? Who fucking cares about Libya right now when Trump and the GOP are destroying our government from the inside?
 
feralkid

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But my monthly check went up $170.

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But seriously, a Tyrant is a Tyrant whether secular or fundamentalist.
 
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bshole said:
Libya was led by a secular leader and enjoyed the highest gdp per capita in Africa prior to our intervention. We sided with Muslim fundamentalist terrorist (freedom fighters) and then flat out murdered him.

Libya enjoys a gdp per capita that is now 1/6 of what it was prior to our intervention. It is a completely failed state with open market slavery and seemingly no hope or future.

Weirdly we have Americans supportive of toppling Syria, Turkey and Iran even after the cavalcade of disasters posing as a foreign policy. It appears we are on a mission to maximize misery around the globe and destabilize any region we cab get our missiles in to. Never ending war means never ending profits I guess. What happens when we run out of nations to ruin?

https://www.commondreams.org/views/2015/02/17/obama-destroyed-libya
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You're right, we need to handcuff Obama and Hillary and send them right over to
405 East 42nd Street, New York NY, 10017, USA.

It's the only right thing to do
 
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pmv

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Well, yeah, this is the _real_ Libyan argument against Hillary, not whatever 'Benghazi' is supposed to be about.

But I'm not a fan of the UN, to be honest, so don't know about that part of the OP. And you'd have to include Bush for Iraq and of course Cameron and Sarkhozy were the prime actors for Libya. And I believe Kissenger is still alive (and socialising with Hillary) and long overdue for being held to account.

So when it comes to blame, we're talking mostly conservatives, plus the conservative strand of liberalism as well.

The West in general seems to have trouble learning that it isn't very good at military intervention and that it rarely turns out well.
 
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KMFJD said:
Right after Italy and France?
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I think you'll find that's _Britain_ and France. And in every country it includes both conservatives and liberals. And some of them are friends, but I still get into arguments over this (even while being full of doubt whether I'm right to oppose intervention). The 'something must be done' trope seems to mean every time there's a crisis on the TV screens we have to start bombing, no matter how badly it turned out last time round.
 
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pmv said:
I think you'll find that's _Britain_ and France. And in every country it includes both conservatives and liberals. And some of them are friends, but I still get into arguments over this (even while being full of doubt whether I'm right to oppose intervention). The 'something must be done' trope seems to mean every time there's a crisis on the TV screens we have to start bombing, no matter how badly it turned out last time round.
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Italy has a lot of investment in Libya, especially Oil, they were/are just as involved as France and GB, not sure why i omitted GB in the first place
 
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fuck it, let's just go right on back to the beginning of the country! what was the first place we sent our military?!?
 
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KMFJD said:
Italy has a lot of investment in Libya, especially Oil, they were/are just as involved as France and GB, not sure why i omitted GB in the first place
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Fair enough, I overlooked Italy (even at the time).
You don't have to have rose-tinted glasses about the Gaddaffi regime to think that maybe going to war really wasn't worth it.

Going to war in a casual manner, believing you can just drop bombs from a safe distance and barbeque some conscript tank-crews, while your own population continues life as normal as if nothing is happening, and then loses interest entirely, never seems to turn out well for the country you 'liberated'.
Every western enemy of the week gets compared to Hitler, but WW2 was total war and involved a real national commitment both during and after. Ever since we seem to have gotten progressively more casual and reckless about using military force.
 
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