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fskimospy

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trenchfoot said:
That's something that I've been fascinated about since he won back in '16. People will go way out of their way to dismiss Trump's crippling personality disorders, his inhumanity, his obsession with his own needs, his own desires, his myopia over protecting the hoax image he projects of himself, his being confounded with people who make personal sacrifices for the good of others. All this just so they can continue to support Trump's efforts at creating a racist fascist state that he can rule with complete disregard for the Constitution and the Rule of Law.

I've seen so many interviews of people this year who speak of the economy, the border "crisis", the cost of living while they, to my astonishment, totally dismiss, ignore and avoid any mention of Trump's crippling anti-democratic, racist homophobic authoritarianism. I see so many of them twist themselves in agony over whether they should or shouldn't vote for Trump when the answer is so clear, so obvious, so blatantly in-their-faces if they only accepted the realities of it all.
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If you’re seeing interviews with Republican politicians they know how disordered he is, they are just cynical.
 
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SteveGrabowski said:
I don't agree with the liberal agenda at all but I'm stuck voting for them because the other option is the nazis and the liberals are significantly less bad. The liberal agenda instead of the party having a social democratic agenda is what kills the Democrats at the polls.
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I understand your desire to use the term social democrat but most Americans refer to that agenda as liberal.
 
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SteveGrabowski said:
Because we have a shit media that tries to portray a right wing Democrat party as left of center. Liberal is ACA. Social Democrat would be eliminating the rent seeking insurance middlemen and implementing Medicare For All.
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There's the classic definition of terms, where liberals are centrist laissez-faire politically, and socialists are leftists.

Republicans have tied the term liberal to socialist in order to turn the country as far right as they can. Conservatives are the ones who invite in fascism from the outside, as they believe that they can harness the fascist movement for their conservative aims...and they typically lose power once they invite the fascists inside the house, like in Italy and Germany.

What is required to prevent fascism is socialists allying with liberals and non-fascist-enabling conservatives, which is kinda what we have at this point, although the few conservatives like Kinzinger, Cheney and former Trump officials, are OUT OF POWER. With most Republicans who are IN POWER just hiding in the bushes hoping that they can maintain their own positions, we're in the position we are.

Conservative cowardice and left-liberal non-alliance are the necessary conditions required for fascism to grab power.

Every single Republican voter voting for Trump and Trump-enabling Republicans are collaborators. They are enabling fascism.

Every single voter who votes for Space Jesus, or stays home to binge watch storage wars because they are Pure™, are also enabling fascism.
 
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MtnMan said:
Our only hope is that sane people outnumber the cult. No matter how accurately you articulate how dangerous he is, you can't reach people in a cult.

Unless a person can check ALL of these boxes;
  • White
  • Heterosexual
  • Misogynist
  • Racist
  • Xenophobic
  • Homophobic
  • Evangelical christian
  • Ultrarich
How the fuck could anyone support him?
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You did forget willfully ignorant dumbass on the list though many of those on list define that 😁
 
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MtnMan said:
When Trump loses in a few weeks, it is a certainty he will get on his minor social site and call for violence by his supporters.

We know he is going to go into an ALL CAPS rage on his failing truth social, and will call for his cult to rise up against election boards, secretaries of state in individual states, and anyone else he can think to blame.

Where does his "free speech" to call for an armed uprising stop? There are laws...



I'm sure there are agencies that could immediately shut down truth social, his most likely megaphone to call for violence, as soon as he makes the call. If it kept his fat ass out of prison, he really doesn't care how many people die to accomplish that end.

Would it even matter how badly he loses, winning only a handful of fly over states, he will be screaming about how he won, and the democrats cheat.

The first week in November is going to be interesting, and I suspect a very black mark on the country's history.
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I don't think any significant number of people would show up for him. They saw J6ers lose their jobs, marriages etc and end up in jail. Even people who have been fans of his for years won't clamor to throw their whole lives away in a lost cause.
 
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fskimospy said:
People who don't pay almost any attention to politics. There's lots of them!
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Then they better sit up and start paying attention, or they are going to be wondering what the fuck happened when all the brown people or people with accents disappear from his city streets, and they are being hauled off in Army trucks.
 
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dainthomas said:
I don't think any significant number of people would show up for him. They saw J6ers lose their jobs, marriages etc and end up in jail. Even people who have been fans of his for years won't clamor to throw their whole lives away in a lost cause.
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First, that they would actually have to process that in a rational manner is a stretch. It's a cult.

While it will give some pause, and many more because they are simply cowards, but even if only one tenth of one percent of cult followers do show up, that is 50,000 to 70,000 people. Or if only 1 in every 10,000 cult members showed up, that's 5,000 to 7,000.
 
Muse

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eelw said:
Like how could this “I want generals like Hitler had” not convince the jewish fence sitters, the orange monkey doesn’t support the Jews.
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I have to think fence sitting Jews are a relatively infinitesimal proportion of the American voting populace. There's more than 4 times as many blacks as Jews.
 
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eelw

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Muse said:
I have to think fence sitting Jews are a relatively infinitesimal proportion of the American voting populace. There's more than 4 times as many blacks as Jews.
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Fair point. But unfortunately if she does lose, it’s going to be because of Israel/Gaza.

In the CNN town hall, Harris addressed both sides. She told the Palestinian supporter, you can’t just think this issue tops everything else. She told the one complaining about all the antiemetic hate, you want to trust the Hitler lover???
 
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fskimospy

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eelw said:
Fair point. But unfortunately if she does lose, it’s going to be because of Israel/Gaza.

In the CNN town hall, Harris addressed both sides. She told the Palestinian supporter, you can’t just think this issue tops everything else. She told the one complaining about all the antiemetic hate, you want to trust the Hitler lover???
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Harris is right!

Imagine being so stupid that you are like ‘I think person A is enabling genocide in Gaza so I’m going to help person B win. Also, person B says they love genocide in Gaza and want more of it’.
 
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What happens if Trump wins? Will the left start rioting like we did see with BLM protests in 2020? One of the possible outcomes is Trump getting the EC votes to become the 47th President of the US. Not happy about it, but I have to be realistic at this point. I though Harris would be building a bigger lead by now and that isn't happening. The polls could be BS but I hate to depend on that. Everyone has been building Trump up as a Fascist dictator and the end of US democracy if he is elected. Some of the same language is being used by the other side if Harris wins. Is violent resistance justified if Trump wins? Or if the Democrats lose in 2024 do they focus on 2026 and 2028?

Trump Takes Narrow Lead Over Harris in Closing Weeks of Race
 
nakedfrog

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BoomerD said:
If Trump gets re- elected, I too hope he has generals like Hitler…

Assassination attempts on Adolf Hitler - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org
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General Kelly did point this out to him.
In their book, The Divider: Trump in the White House, Peter Baker and Susan Glasser reported that Trump asked John Kelly, his chief of staff at the time, “Why can’t you be like the German generals?” Trump, at various points, had grown frustrated with military officials he deemed disloyal and disobedient. (Throughout the course of his presidency, Trump referred to flag officers as “my generals.”) According to Baker and Glasser, Kelly explained to Trump that German generals “tried to kill Hitler three times and almost pulled it off.” This correction did not move Trump to reconsider his view: “No, no, no, they were totally loyal to him,” the president responded.

This week, I asked Kelly about their exchange. He told me that when Trump raised the subject of “German generals,” Kelly responded by asking, “‘Do you mean Bismarck’s generals?’” He went on: “I mean, I knew he didn’t know who Bismarck was, or about the Franco-Prussian War. I said, ‘Do you mean the kaiser’s generals? Surely you can’t mean Hitler’s generals? And he said, ‘Yeah, yeah, Hitler’s generals.’ I explained to him that Rommel had to commit suicide after taking part in a plot against Hitler.” Kelly told me Trump was not acquainted with Rommel.
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This wasn’t the only time Kelly felt compelled to instruct Trump on military history. In 2018, Trump asked Kelly to explain who “the good guys” were in World War I. Kelly responded by explaining a simple rule: Presidents should, as a matter of politics and policy, remember that the “good guys” in any given conflict are the countries allied with the United States.
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www.theatlantic.com

Trump: ‘I Need the Kind of Generals That Hitler Had’

The Republican nominee’s preoccupation with dictators, and his disdain for the American military, is deepening.
www.theatlantic.com www.theatlantic.com
 
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iRONic said:
I just emailed that to myself, thanks. We are headed out to a Little Feat concert in about an hour but I'm gonna take that bad bitch tomorrow.
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I messed up because I thought 19th century is 1900-1999.

Got everything else correct!
 
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iRONic said:
I just emailed that to myself, thanks. We are headed out to a Little Feat concert in about an hour but I'm gonna take that bad bitch tomorrow.
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Where? Damn, I just recently saw a PBS concert of them. I would have loved to see them live. The Waiting For Columbus album is an excellent live concert recording.

Wanita, my sweet casita what are you up tooooo....
 
DarthKyrie

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hal2kilo said:
Where? Damn, I just recently saw a PBS concert of them. I would have loved to see them live. The Waiting For Columbus album is an excellent live concert recording.

Wanita, my sweet casita what are you up tooooo....
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My mom and her ex-husband went and saw Little Feat and Melissa Ethridge back in 1989.
 
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Brovane said:
What happens if Trump wins? Will the left start rioting like we did see with BLM protests in 2020? One of the possible outcomes is Trump getting the EC votes to become the 47th President of the US. Not happy about it, but I have to be realistic at this point. I though Harris would be building a bigger lead by now and that isn't happening. The polls could be BS but I hate to depend on that. Everyone has been building Trump up as a Fascist dictator and the end of US democracy if he is elected. Some of the same language is being used by the other side if Harris wins. Is violent resistance justified if Trump wins? Or if the Democrats lose in 2024 do they focus on 2026 and 2028?

Trump Takes Narrow Lead Over Harris in Closing Weeks of Race
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If the Democrats lose in 2024 the 2028 election will be like when Putin won his election with 88% of the vote. There is no such thing as the 2028 election nor the 2026 election if Harris blows this.
 
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