When they do tire rotation, do they change with the rims?

[shortylickens]

As a matter of course I have my tires balanced the same time I rotate them. It only costs a little extra.

 

[Schfifty Five]

Or do they just rotate the tires only (the rubber tube)?

If latter is true, the dealership forgot or scammed me, because the rims haven't changed position (easy to tell with certain scratches).

You mean the former. If the latter were true, then they did not forget or scam you.

 

[lxskllr]

If your driving FWD It's just giving away money to not do it, the fronts must drive+steer+bear more weight. Go ahead and not rotate but you will soon be buying 2 new ones for the front instead of extending the life of all four by rotating..

That's what happens anyway. Rotating tires doesn't magically make them all last longer. The choice is buying two tires twice, or four tires all at once. There's a few caveats in there depending on how broke you are, and your tolerance for unsafe tires, but assuming tires get replaced when needed, rotating won't decrease the cost of owning tires.

 

[Capt Caveman]

? I've never owned a car with rims (mine are steel with cover). It's my gf's car.

I'm sure they change with rims, but just wanted to make sure before I rage at them.

Not sure if serious.

 

[jagec]

That's what happens anyway. Rotating tires doesn't magically make them all last longer. The choice is buying two tires twice, or four tires all at once. There's a few caveats in there depending on how broke you are, and your tolerance for unsafe tires, but assuming tires get replaced when needed, rotating won't decrease the cost of owning tires.

In many cases it's cheaper to buy and install 4 tires at a time than 2x2 at a time.

 

[jagec]

That's not really necessary so long as you periodically purge and refill your tires with fresh air. Most garages don't talk about this service but if you tip the mechanic an extra ten spot that should cover it.

Plus, that ensures that you are using the right air for the season, ie, winter air in the winter, summer air in the summer etc. I usually buy a full pack of seasonal air from here and do it myself, but a decent mechanic can do it as well. Just make sure that you don't go to a shop that doesn't get a lot of business, because if they're not cycling their air regularly you might be getting air that is months or even years old and not know it.

 

[jupiter57]

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It would be impossible to change the "rims" any way you look at it, unless it was a machine shop with the skill & ability to cut the "rim" off the wheel & reweld/ refinish the wheel.
The rim is the outside edge of the WHEEL, not an assembly in and of itself.
Tire mounts on wheel, rim is the outside edge of the wheel.

I would like to find the hood rat that coined the word "Rim" to describe the wheel, I'd kick his ass so hard he would have to wipe his nose after a bowel movement!

(Yeah, yeah, us Fricken' engineers & our proper use of terminology!)

 

[BUTCH1]

That's what happens anyway. Rotating tires doesn't magically make them all last longer. The choice is buying two tires twice, or four tires all at once. There's a few caveats in there depending on how broke you are, and your tolerance for unsafe tires, but assuming tires get replaced when needed, rotating won't decrease the cost of owning tires.

Correct, it will not make tire wear any less, I just like the idea of all the tires on my car being evenly worn plus if your lucky you might find a sale on 4 but I've never seen a sale for only 2 tires. Here in FL you want decent rubber due to lots of rain and the asphalt mix they use, it's designed to last longer but seems to hydroplane easier..

 

[Perknose]

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It would be impossible to change the "rims" any way you look at it, unless it was a machine shop with the skill & ability to cut the "rim" off the wheel & reweld/ refinish the wheel.
The rim is the outside edge of the WHEEL, not an assembly in and of itself.
Tire mounts on wheel, rim is the outside edge of the wheel.

I would like to find the hood rat that coined the word "Rim" to describe the wheel, I'd kick his ass so hard he would have to wipe his nose after a bowel movement!

(Yeah, yeah, us Fricken' engineers & our proper use of terminology!)

Always has pissed me off, too. Never heard rim for wheel at all growing up.

I can only surmise it came from bigger trucks where the rim can be a separate part from the inner part of the wheel itself, and some jamokes just thought rim sounded cooler than wheel.

I blame the metrosexuals.

 

[phucheneh]

Tire rotation isn't really necessary. It balances the wear over all four tires, but that's not a big concern. Look at the tread. If the wear's similar from front to back, it doesn't matter if they rotated them or not.

It really is. Some cars can get away without it (you'll just end up replacing the tires on one axle more), but it generally does a lot with regards to keeping the tires from wearing unevenly. And by that, I mean uneven/unusual wear patterns on each tire, not just different tread depths between tires.

Front to back rotation is pretty much the norm. This works for directional tires, as well. Staggered tire setups need non-directional tires (with performance tires, usually asymmetrical designs are the alternative), which can be swapped side to side.

If you have staggered, directional tires...well, good luck with that. The guy who sold you them probably deserves a swift kick in the taint.

edit: And yeah, the 'rim' thing chaps my ass, too. Mostly because when I say 'wheel,' non-car people don't know what I'm talking about.

'...you mean the tire?'

No, if I meant tire, I would've said tire. The WHEEL, dammit.

 

[Howard]

Tire rotation isn't really necessary. It balances the wear over all four tires, but that's not a big concern. Look at the tread. If the wear's similar from front to back, it doesn't matter if they rotated them or not.

It can be. An alignment almost never gets all the settings symmetrical, and sometimes the route you take also affects wear. For example, I take many more high-speed right turns than I do left turns, so the left side could potentially wear slightly quicker.

 

[exar333]

I hope the OP did not pay extra to get his tires filled with nitrogen.

Nitrogen is great in the winter. Keeps your psi constant in really cold weather.

 

[phucheneh]

Nitrogen is great in the winter. Keeps your psi constant in really cold weather.

This is about the only thing it does, though. And frankly, I check/adjust my tires enough that temp changes aren't really a big deal.

I don't think there's much practical truth to the other commonly claimed feature- "nitrogen-filled tires don't lose air." Something about the nitrogen molecules being too big to permeate rubber.

I still seem to need to top off a whole lot of tires with the little green caps on the valve stems. Going off of vehicles with known history (e.g. I filled these tires with nitrogen a few thousand miles ago, customer is back for something else, tires are low), there seems to be little if any difference.

 

[Zeze]

Yea yea, have all the laughs on me. All rounds on me guys. I deserve it.

 

[jagec]

Nitrogen is great in the winter. Keeps your psi constant in really cold weather.

Dry air does the same thing. It's the humidity that's the problem, not the oxygen.

 

[wirednuts]

my tires lose about 2 lbs a year. pretty traumatic to keep up on that . it doesnt even matter because the day you check them and one of them is at 15lbs, you realize why you check them regularly and if you dont the nitrogen will not save you.

 

[phucheneh]

my tires lose about 2 lbs a year. pretty traumatic to keep up on that . it doesnt even matter because the day you check them and one of them is at 15lbs, you realize why you check them regularly and if you dont the nitrogen will not save you.

I do not believe 2psi a year for even a second. More like 2psi a month, unless you're running tires that have some kind of ultra-super-effective coating on the inside.

 

[Howard]

I do not believe 2psi a year for even a second. More like 2psi a month, unless you're running tires that have some kind of ultra-super-effective coating on the inside.

My old tires were the same way.

 

[disappoint]

That's nonsense. It might be a good policy to live by to encourage learning, but there are indeed stupid questions.

What are these stupid questions you people keep talking about?

 

[disappoint]

Nitrogen is great in the winter. Keeps your psi constant in really cold weather.

The nitrogen that goes in my tires first must be blessed by a priest of the nine divines so that it may not attempt escape of it's earthly duties, also known as rim jobs.