When the F**K is the X800 XT coming out!

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: JBT

Originally posted by: Alkaline5
I don't know the reason, but IMO ATI is having major production problems. OEMs and builders like Dell get first crack at the chips that they do have, then they'll fill OEM and distrubutors' orders for the more affordable X800Pro (using XT-capable chips if neccessary).

If they're running on short supply, it makes sense that the flagship product would be in short supply at retail as they try to to maximize their profit on other obligations. Why they don't just admit this and can the retail release is a mystery to me, though.

I belive the only ones Dell has are the PCI-Express ones that are not XTPE's they are just plain XT's with lower clock speeds. Also right now there is rumor that ATI is discontinuing the XTPE's over on the RAge3d forums. There is a link to the thread in our video forum.

It is NOT canned!

😛

That would be like ati ADMITTING that nVidia has the better Flagship GPU (they DO, anyway) :roll:



ATI X800 XT not cancelled

A READER TELLS us that there is one very interesting mail that he or someone got from the CDW store. The CDW guy claimed that ATI will cancel X800XT cards even the pre-ordered ones. You can check it online here.
Whenever we file links like this, another company will ask us: "Don?t you think that this is from Nvidia or vice versa that wants to spread the rumour?"

Well, therefore, we've asked around and got the real story.

It turns out that many people, even ATI's partners, think that ATI will cancel X800 XT cards and offer their customers X800PRO as replacements. This simply won't happen.

The majority of ATI partners cannot get any of thoee cards since the yields are still not good and the quantities are small. The same rule applies for retail stores - they cannot get something that is not available.

We have confirmation that at least one of ATI's partners shipped some quantities but in a very tiny quantity. OK don?t push us, we will tell you that it was more then ninety nine but not much more.

To remind you, ATI hasn't launched this card that will be clocked at 500/1000 MHz and to stand between 475/900 MHZ clocked X800PRO and 520/1120 MHz Platinum.

XT Platinums are a different story - they're very hard to get but still in better shape then X800XTs. The real quantities will come, believe or not, in September.

Just crappy yields . . .

 

[Alkaline5]

Originally posted by: JackJHG
I currently have a Geforce FX 5600. One reason I am partially sore towards nvidia is because they were lazy enough to not make specific drivers for my video card, so I had to dl something other than the exact driver update, and guess what? the updated F'ed up my games, making them run SLOWER than if I had to update. WTF is that all about.

It sounds like you're upset that you couldn't use drivers from your card's manufacturer and had to use the nVidia reference drivers. I can assure you that nearly all of us with nVidia cards are using the reference drivers and doing so w/o issue.

Also, the Geforce's video cards frequently have a problem with setting up pixels on your screen; an error occurs that causes a pixel, and numerous around it, to turn the same color, causing resolution to fall.

That's an issue that I've never heard of and I've been using various GeForce cards for the past 3+ years. Maybe you have a defective card (possibly video RAM?).

And unless someone uses the $500 Geforce 6800 Ult. dont tell me the energy can be handled on a 350 Watt psu.

It's true, even a "quality" 300w PSU that supplies proper power on the 12v rail can power a 6800U. This has been verified in reviews at HardOCP and others.

Now that I have clarified my position, please refrain from telling me about the 6800 and how it "smokes" the x800 XT.

OK, but you do realize that it does get smoked, right?

 

[imported_michaelpatrick33]

Originally posted by: Alkaline5

Originally posted by: JackJHG
I currently have a Geforce FX 5600. One reason I am partially sore towards nvidia is because they were lazy enough to not make specific drivers for my video card, so I had to dl something other than the exact driver update, and guess what? the updated F'ed up my games, making them run SLOWER than if I had to update. WTF is that all about.

It sounds like you're upset that you couldn't use drivers from your card's manufacturer and had to use the nVidia reference drivers. I can assure you that nearly all of us with nVidia cards are using the reference drivers and doing so w/o issue.

Also, the Geforce's video cards frequently have a problem with setting up pixels on your screen; an error occurs that causes a pixel, and numerous around it, to turn the same color, causing resolution to fall.

That's an issue that I've never heard of and I've been using various GeForce cards for the past 3+ years. Maybe you have a defective card (possibly video RAM?).

And unless someone uses the $500 Geforce 6800 Ult. dont tell me the energy can be handled on a 350 Watt psu.

It's true, even a "quality" 300w PSU that supplies proper power on the 12v rail can power a 6800U. This has been verified in reviews at HardOCP and others.

Now that I have clarified my position, please refrain from telling me about the 6800 and how it "smokes" the x800 XT.

OK, but you do realize that it does get smoked, right?

Uhhh not the x800xt does not get smoked by the 6800ultra. Only in Doom 3 does it get defeated and there are some tricks to the ATI shader model that gives some people a nice boost. Half Life 2 will run way better on the ATI parts and then everyone will say the x800xt smokes the 6800ultra which it doesn't. All other games I have seen benchmarked show the ati defeating the 6800 ultra even with Shadermodel 3.0. ATI has a lot of the shadermodel components in their parts already; it is a matter of the developer using it. The Farcry patch that enabled the extra performance of both the ATI card and the NVidia card showed the ATI x800xt to be ahead in most cases. So we have even performance. I hope Nvidia and Ati continue to have about even performance so we continue to have competition and innovation. My last thought. Can't we all just get along

 

[JackJHG]

Originally posted by: michaelpatrick33
Uhhh not the x800xt does not get smoked by the 6800ultra. Only in Doom 3 does it get defeated and there are some tricks to the ATI shader model that gives some people a nice boost. Half Life 2 will run way better on the ATI parts and then everyone will say the x800xt smokes the 6800ultra which it doesn't. All other games I have seen benchmarked show the ati defeating the 6800 ultra even with Shadermodel 3.0. ATI has a lot of the shadermodel components in their parts already; it is a matter of the developer using it. The Farcry patch that enabled the extra performance of both the ATI card and the NVidia card showed the ATI x800xt to be ahead in most cases. So we have even performance. I hope Nvidia and Ati continue to have about even performance so we continue to have competition and innovation. My last thought. Can't we all just get along

Thank you, finally someone who also sees my POV. Thank you Michael Patrick

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: JackJHG

Originally posted by: michaelpatrick33
Uhhh not the x800xt does not get smoked by the 6800ultra. Only in Doom 3 does it get defeated and there are some tricks to the ATI shader model that gives some people a nice boost. Half Life 2 will run way better on the ATI parts and then everyone will say the x800xt smokes the 6800ultra which it doesn't. All other games I have seen benchmarked show the ati defeating the 6800 ultra even with Shadermodel 3.0. ATI has a lot of the shadermodel components in their parts already; it is a matter of the developer using it. The Farcry patch that enabled the extra performance of both the ATI card and the NVidia card showed the ATI x800xt to be ahead in most cases. So we have even performance. I hope Nvidia and Ati continue to have about even performance so we continue to have competition and innovation. My last thought. Can't we all just get along

Thank you, finally someone who also sees my POV. Thank you Michael Patrick

we see you POV . . . however you have erred several times in these posts of yours . . . the 6800u DEFINITELY runs (well) on a quality 350w PS . . . you seem to have trouble understanding updating drivers for your nVidia card . . and you don't have a clue about what you posted: <<Also, the Geforce's video cards frequently have a problem with setting up pixels on your screen; an error occurs that causes a pixel, and numerous around it, to turn the same color, causing resolution to fall.>>

As to the XT vs the ultra's perf . . . you'll see. 😉

as to "getting along" - we already do - even welcoming new nVidiot or fanATIc AT members as long as they are (reasonably) polite. 😛

:roll:

:roll:

 

[caz67]

Forget the X800XT..Buy a 6800GT or Ultra.

 

[CRXican]

Originally posted by: caz67
Forget the X800XT..Buy a 6800GT or Ultra.

exactly, put these slow ATI bastards out of business

 

[RussianSensation]

Originally posted by: Alkaline5
I don't know the reason, but IMO ATI is having major production problems. OEMs and builders like Dell get first crack at the chips that they do have, then they'll fill OEM and distrubutors' orders for the more affordable X800Pro (using XT-capable chips if neccessary).

If they're running on short supply, it makes sense that the flagship product would be in short supply at retail as they try to to maximize their profit on other obligations. Why they don't just admit this and can the retail release is a mystery to me, though.

I was under the impression that on top of the fact that the yeilds are low on their top of the line gpus, there is also a lack of GDDR3 memory being supplied to exacerbate the delays.

As far as which card is the fastest right now if availability was not a concern, then i'd have to go with x800xt overall. Why? Because I keep posting this long A** review every time and no one seems to be reading it. X800xt is at least as fast as 6800Ultra with AA/AF enabled, but sometimes in shader intensive games it is significantly faster.

Extensive Review

And yes, 6800 series are faster in doom 3, but x800xt can still play doom 3 at 1600x1200 8AF, so what is there to complain about. This is just one game. Doom 3 Performance

In this review the largest performance difference i've noticed occurred @ 1600x1200 0aa/8AF
So
X800xt = 51.4fps
6800u = 60.5fps - 17.7% faster

As far as things are concerned, X800XT still leads in Far Cry - Link

So @ 1600x1200 4AA/8AF (16AF) in Far Cry
X800xt = 51.5fps
6800u = 42.1 fsp - 22.3% slower

Personally I consider Far Cry to be a better game, and mostly every website on the internet agrees with me. At the very least the score between ATI and Nvidia should be 1:1. Now lets compare all the other games out there ^^^^ refer to the Extensive Review I've provided.

Now, how can anyone say ATI is losing on the high-end?

ATI might be losing in terms of sales because not a lot of people buy 6800U and x800xts especially since they are not available. So that is where 6800GT takes over x800pro. But still the majority of the sales come from mainstream and lower end cards (ie. x600, and 6600 cards that havent been released yet). X600 has been on the market and has had sales, but it will be substituted by R410 anyways. This race is just getting started. On these forums Nvidia seems to be winning, but we can only tell who is winning by the amount of net cash flow, net income and ROI (etc.) each company achieves.

But, if you want a card now, I'd still probably pick up the 6800GT and save the $100-150 towards the next upgrade.

 

[SynthDude2001]

Originally posted by: caz67
Forget the X800XT..Buy a 6800GT or Ultra.

That's what I did, and I used to be somewhat of an ATI fanboy too. Oh well, their lost sales are not my problem, although it is pretty sad they still can't get these out in large quantities months after launch...

EDIT: Not that Nvidia seems to be doing a whole lot better, but at least you can find their cards without too much trouble.

 

[rbV5]

I'm not cancelling my X800XT PE, not a chance. I'd like to see it come sooner than later however 🙂

 

[flexy]

who gives a f*ck about X800XT ? we want R500 🙂

 

[thatsright]

They are impossible to find! I bet the ATI R420 cards will come out this fall before we ever really see any X800 XT's.

But if ya HAVE TO HAVE IT NOW, you can find one on the cheap right here!

 

[JackJHG]

Once again, I must say that I am merely asking if anyone either has an x800 xt or if they know where to find one that is not a horrible price. Thanks to all those who have followed this.

 

[Bar81]

I have one myself. You are not going to find the cards for a good price. Given the rarity of the XT PE you are going to have to pay through the ass for them. If you're desperate pm me and I can hook you up.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: flexy
who gives a f*ck about X800XT ? we want R500 🙂

patience . . . NEXT year

the r500 is expected to have 4 times (4x!!!) the processing power of r420. 😛

i'm waiting . . . 😉

i don't care if XT-PE ever becomes available . . .

(but that's just me)

Originally posted by: rbV5
I'm not cancelling my X800XT PE, not a chance. I'd like to see it come sooner than later however 🙂

Are you STILL waiting for Gateway? They are the most useless company . . .

:roll: