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Originally posted by: her209
How come the correct answer isn't "the Indians / native Americans" for lack of a better word.
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Because it was really the Vikings. But then one has to wonder if the Indians were already there a that time. Still if that was the case, it almost certain that these "so called" Indians were really Europeans at some point and migrated to America over ice, land that might have been intact at the time, or whatnot.
 
Originally posted by: CZroe
Originally posted by: sandorski
European Imperialism is why "Columbus" was given the honour and why it still is attributed to him. It's not really a Conspiracy or insidious either, just makes sense.

Europeans had no Knowledge of America, they sent a dude, he came back with the News, and they all said, "OMG America!". For them it certainly was Columbus who Discovered it. Then they began to arrive in droves killing, chasing, and just plain dominating the Native population already living here. Despite the Natives, they still maintained the Columbus discovered it, but that's mainly because they were not looking at it from a Historical or Humanist fashion. They were looking at it from a Nationalist and Imperialist fashion, which pretty much is a Self-Centerred worldview.
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I would say that it has more to do with their lasting written documentation of it rather than their "Imperialism." Knowledge of it was not written and documented in the world outside of America, so it was still "discovered" despite being occupied.

Any lost Vikings who made it home didn't write that shit down and they lost out. Boo hoo. For Columbus we have names, dates, vessels, durations, locations, eye-witnesses, plans, maps, financiers, and everything needed for a proper "discovery."
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I was answering the OP. Obviously there were Humans already here and why we say "Columbus" is because of a Eurocentric view of the World and not of one based in reality. You make a good point about the written record, but I think if one was to look for Truth you'd be hard pressed to justify "Written Record" as True in this case. Those already here may not have had a Written Record, but they were here nonetheless.
 
So truth is Native Americans aren't rally Native nor were they "Americans" since they came from Asia and came to a land that wasn't called America yet.


So even calling them "Native Americans" is racist.
 
Because their discovery, like Lief Erikson's, was of little significance and did not lead to European expansion in America resulting in what the modern world is today..
 
Originally posted by: BoomerD
Originally posted by: Evadman
Because winners write the history.
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Yep. Despite the fact that the "unwashed savage natives" had been here for perhaps thousands of years, or that the Vikings had visited North America as much as a few hundred years before, Christopher Columbus still gets the credit for "discovering" America...:roll:

Dammed dagos must have a better lobbyist group. 😛
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Um, because America is for us? If it was for the natives, God wouldn't be a Christian. Why do you think America is #1? Because God is HERE, not Europe, not Asia, AMERICA - and if we don't shape up soon, he's going to leave to some other country.
 
Originally posted by: 4Christ
Originally posted by: BoomerD
Originally posted by: Evadman
Because winners write the history.
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Yep. Despite the fact that the "unwashed savage natives" had been here for perhaps thousands of years, or that the Vikings had visited North America as much as a few hundred years before, Christopher Columbus still gets the credit for "discovering" America...:roll:

Dammed dagos must have a better lobbyist group. 😛
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Um, because America is for us? If it was for the natives, God wouldn't be a Christian. Why do you think America is #1? Because God is HERE, not Europe, not Asia, AMERICA - and if we don't shape up soon, he's going to leave to some other country.
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Joseph Smith discovered America. He was here with the Nephites. I have proof somewhere.
 
Originally posted by: 4Christ

Um, because America is for us? If it was for the natives, God wouldn't be a Christian. Why do you think America is #1? Because God is HERE, not Europe, not Asia, AMERICA - and if we don't shape up soon, he's going to leave to some other country.
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What a bigoted, egotistical crock of SHIT! "Christians" like you are the reason I always root for the Lions. Your freaking jesus. your freaking "god" and a dollar bill aren't worth the pre-tax price of a single item at a 99 Cents Store. :thumbsdown: :|
 
Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: 4Christ

Um, because America is for us? If it was for the natives, God wouldn't be a Christian. Why do you think America is #1? Because God is HERE, not Europe, not Asia, AMERICA - and if we don't shape up soon, he's going to leave to some other country.
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What a bigoted, egotistical crock of SHIT! "Christians" like you are the reason I always root for the Lions. Your freaking jesus. your freaking "god" and a dollar bill aren't worth the pre-tax price of a single item at a 99 Cents Store. :thumbsdown: :|
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Tap your sarcasm meter there, El' Senor.

Or at least I think he's being sarcastic.
 
Originally posted by: Train
Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: 4Christ

Um, because America is for us? If it was for the natives, God wouldn't be a Christian. Why do you think America is #1? Because God is HERE, not Europe, not Asia, AMERICA - and if we don't shape up soon, he's going to leave to some other country.
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What a bigoted, egotistical crock of SHIT! "Christians" like you are the reason I always root for the Lions. Your freaking jesus. your freaking "god" and a dollar bill aren't worth the pre-tax price of a single item at a 99 Cents Store. :thumbsdown: :|
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Tap your sarcasm meter there, El' Senor.

Or at least I think he's being sarcastic.
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One Hopes.
 
Originally posted by: Train
Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: 4Christ

Um, because America is for us? If it was for the natives, God wouldn't be a Christian. Why do you think America is #1? Because God is HERE, not Europe, not Asia, AMERICA - and if we don't shape up soon, he's going to leave to some other country.
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What a bigoted, egotistical crock of SHIT! "Christians" like you are the reason I always root for the Lions. Your freaking jesus. your freaking "god" and a dollar bill aren't worth the pre-tax price of a single item at a 99 Cents Store. :thumbsdown: :|
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Tap your sarcasm meter there, El' Senor.

Or at least I think he's being sarcastic.
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She's a she, and I my sarcasm meter is in fine calibration. Check the rest of her posts on the forums. She's just as dumb on her twitter page.

She's a brainless, bigoted right wingnut Jesus freak, meaner than a rattlesnake and dumber than a rock. She sounds like a likely future candidate for a Darwin award. :roll:

I wonder if she drives the same model dinosaur as Sarah Palin. :laugh:
 
Originally posted by: Fern
Recently saw a show on this topic (either Discovery or History Channel).

Using some science I can't remember (IIRC, molecular biology) it's now claimed Northern Europeans during the stone age/ice age arrived here first (way before Leif Ericson etc).

Apparently the ice flows were first between N. Europe and N. America and the way the flows moved 'pushed' any Euro's fishing off their coast over here. Their presence here has been confirmed by stone age impements etc uncovered.

Some time later the ice formed a land bridge between N. America and Asia and then that group came over.

The molecular biology part comes in because in studying the genetics of 'native Americans' they've found they have genetic markers of both (N Euro's and Asians). I.e., the two stone-aged peoples arriving here eventually merged.

Fern
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Originally posted by: ibex333
Because it was really the Vikings. But then one has to wonder if the Indians were already there a that time. Still if that was the case, it almost certain that these "so called" Indians were really Europeans at some point and migrated to America over ice, land that might have been intact at the time, or whatnot.
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Virtually without exception the new evidence supports the single ancestral population theory.
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Native Americans are more closely related to each other than to any other existing Asian populations, except those that live at the very edge of the Bering Strait
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The team?s work follows up on earlier studies by several of its members who found a unique variant (an allele) of a genetic marker in the DNA of modern-day Native American people. Dubbed the ?9-repeat allele,? the variant (which does not have a biological function), occurred in all of the 41 populations that they sampled from Alaska to the southern tip of Chile, as well as in Inuit from Greenland and the Chukchi and Koryak people native to the Asian (western) side of the Bering Strait. Yet this allele was absent in all 54 of the Eurasian, African and Oceanian groups the team sampled.
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Furthermore, the fact that the allele was absent in other Asian populations most likely meant that America?s ancestral founders had been isolated from the rest of Asia for thousands of years before they moved into the New World: that is, for a period of time that was long enough to allow the allele to originate in, and spread throughout, the isolated population.
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So, using genetic markers it's been proven that the "Native Americans" came from Asia, not Europe and they were such an isolated people that they can all be traced back to the same Asian tribe and are not intermixed to any real degree with Europeans.
 
Originally posted by: her209
How come the correct answer isn't "the Indians / native Americans" for lack of a better word.
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Because they didn't ask who discovered America first.
Is HS world history, the way they explained it was that since CC took word of it back to Europe and started the European influx into the Americas, he gets credit.
 
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