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Dessert Tears

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Is this the video that's been out for a while? Anyone have the link to the old thread?

Recent Taser threads:
Guy at UCLA computer lab gets tasered (now with youtube video!!)
Cops Taser Student Running Naked Through High School Cafeteria

Originally posted by: Clocker
Also, i found it a bit troublesome when the police officer said that she tried to take a swing at his partner. WTF, she was on the floor being lit up.
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It's possible that the movement in question occurred immediately before the initial Taser shot, when the second officer was entering the vehicle from the passenger side. There is movement visible inside the car, but it's not clear whether the movement or Taser shot happens first.

Originally posted by: ELopes580
Since you can hear him say they all have been tazed before, he should know that the whole point of a tazer is to immoblize a person's muscle system and it takes a while to regain control of the body. Now how in the heck can she move her arms if he tazed her. :confused:
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The disruption of motor function is only effective while the electric shock is being applied. There is a period of disorientation and/or perceived weakness that sometimes follows, but the nerves and muscles are fully functional.
 
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Originally posted by: Rapidskies
GOD...

What thats showing is that a 4000LB bull can be brought down. caged or uncaged. and would be down again as soon as he hits the trigger again.
Trust me when I say this. You would be one the ground. End of story.
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So if I worked out more with more muscles would I withstand the forces of the phaser more?
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Do you have any idea of what "complete loss of muscle control" means? That's basically what happens when you get hit with a taser.
 
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Originally posted by: Rapidskies
GOD...

What thats showing is that a 4000LB bull can be brought down. caged or uncaged. and would be down again as soon as he hits the trigger again.
Trust me when I say this. You would be one the ground. End of story.
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So if I worked out more with more muscles would I withstand the forces of the phaser more?
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No, My Captain is retired Marine Force Recon. 6'6' and 245 LBs. When we went to get our certs we where tasered. He dropped to the ground in lest than a second. After the instructor let go of the trigger Cap tried to (mock) attack the instructor. He went down again.
When I was tasered it didnt hurt, I was fully aware but couldnt move.
Its not that bad.
 
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Originally posted by: ELopes580
My only issue with what the cop did was tazer her a second time just becuase she could not put her hands behind her back. Since you can hear him say they all have been tazed before, he should know that the whole point of a tazer is to immoblize a person's muscle system and it takes a while to regain control of the body. Now how in the heck can she move her arms if he tazed her. :confused:

Otherwise I saw no problem in the situation.
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Same here. I think you can taze her once. I don't give a damn. She was a punk and she deserved that. Once you immobilize someone, are you telling me you can't force her to put her hands behind the back?

When youw atch Cops and they run a suspect down, what do the cops do? THey force you down and cuff you. How many times have you seen Cops and watch the cops yell at a guy to put his hands behind the back or get tazed. They just force you to do it, none of that voluntary or get tazed stuff. This is what I don't get.

Tazering once is fine. But more times becomes questionable, like the UCLA incident. You immobilize a person with 1 taze and then you can do whatever you need to do do them....
 
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Originally posted by: userman
Originally posted by: Rapidskies
GOD...

What thats showing is that a 4000LB bull can be brought down. caged or uncaged. and would be down again as soon as he hits the trigger again.
Trust me when I say this. You would be one the ground. End of story.
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So if I worked out more with more muscles would I withstand the forces of the phaser more?
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No, My Captain is retired Marine Force Recon. 6'6' and 245 LBs. When we went to get our certs we where tasered. He dropped to the ground in lest than a second. After the instructor let go of the trigger Cap tried to (mock) attack the instructor. He went down again.
When I was tasered it didnt hurt, I was fully aware but couldnt move.
Its not that bad.
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I tried to find the link where they tapered the Navy (or was it marines?) hand to hand guy. he is considered the toughest man in the military (shot several times etc).

they tasered him and he got maybe 2-3 steps before he fell.
 
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Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: userman
Originally posted by: Rapidskies
GOD...

What thats showing is that a 4000LB bull can be brought down. caged or uncaged. and would be down again as soon as he hits the trigger again.
Trust me when I say this. You would be one the ground. End of story.
Click to expand...


So if I worked out more with more muscles would I withstand the forces of the phaser more?
Click to expand...

No, My Captain is retired Marine Force Recon. 6'6' and 245 LBs. When we went to get our certs we where tasered. He dropped to the ground in lest than a second. After the instructor let go of the trigger Cap tried to (mock) attack the instructor. He went down again.
When I was tasered it didnt hurt, I was fully aware but couldnt move.
Its not that bad.
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I tried to find the link where they tapered the Navy (or was it marines?) hand to hand guy. he is considered the toughest man in the military (shot several times etc).

they tasered him and he got maybe 2-3 steps before he fell.
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They showed us that video when we where getting certed.
 
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Rapidskies

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After viewing the findings of the youtubes I have changed my philosophies on phasering and would show respect to a hog if they asked me to comply. Thank you for my educations.
 
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Originally posted by: Rapidskies
After viewing the findings of the youtubes I have changed my philosophies on phasering and would show respect to a hog if they asked me to comply. Thank you for my educations.
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Im glad I could help.
 
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what's worse - taze her which doesn't actually cause damage, or force her out of the car, putting both her and the officer at risk?

taze the bitch.
 
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I felt sorry for her and the cop. It's a damn shame it had to go that far for a traffic violation. No one treats the cops serious anymore. She had a car not fit for the road, speeded, and then had the nerve to resist the cop.

Was the cop in the wrong? I don't think so. Though After her falling out of the car should of been the point where he could have used his hands.
 
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Wow, I had heard of them plenty of times before but man, I had no idea what they looked like in action.
 
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Originally posted by: Tsaico
Wow, I had heard of them plenty of times before but man, I had no idea what they looked like in action.
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You need to volunteer and get tased.
 
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Originally posted by: Tsaico
Wow, I had heard of them plenty of times before but man, I had no idea what they looked like in action.
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It's an unpleasant experience.

Very effective - it will stop ANYBODY.

The problem is sometimes they have to tazer somebody several times, as you can basically get back up again right after. I wonder how many shots those guns have in them.

 
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userman

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One "shot" that fires the probes then you can juice the perp several times. Ive never seen anyone pull the probes out. :)
 
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Originally posted by: CFster
The problem is sometimes they have to tazer somebody several times, as you can basically get back up again right after. I wonder how many shots those guns have in them.
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1 set of projectile barbs per cartridge, which can be reloaded on the Taser. The number of electric shocks on a fresh set of batteries should be well over that needed in a single encounter - a back-of-the-envelope calculation estimates it to be 76.8:

M-26 Taser, estimated current 2.1 to 3.6mA, 8xAA batteries; assume 5s shock; ignores pulsing, losses in circuitry
50kV * 3.6mA = 180W
8 * 1.2V * 2000mAh = 19.2Wh
19.2Wh / 180W * 60min/h = 6.4 min
6.4min * 60s/min / 5s = 76.8 shocks
 
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An actual gun should only be used when faced with serious threats to someones safety (I feel there are errors in policy and judgement to both sides of that line).

Taser is an entirely different matter. It can be used any time non-lethal force is called for. It's generally safer than a physical confrontation where someone on either side may end up being harmed. If you break the law, ANY LAW, and refuse to follow lawful police instructions you will face a physical confrontation. If you don't like it, don't break the law. The woman was a worthless bitch who absolutely deserved everything she got (accepting that she did in fact break the law in the first place).
 
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