when people call DAOs "dows" instead of D-A-Os

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Ken g6

Ken g6

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Microsoft and Oracle get to define the pronunciation of their own products. But that doesn't mean the public will follow suit:

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Especially on products that aren't theirs.
 
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smackababy

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brianmanahan said:
both of those are pronounced the same
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No. Jif is pronounced using the 'J' sound as in Jeff. And gif is pronounced using the 'G' sound as in get.

It would be an absolute pain to work with you and all your terrible pronunciations! Even with the pomes. =(
 
Ken g6

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And that's the issue, who gets to decide the correct pronunciation of something, the inventor or the public?

And now I have to be a Mod for a minute...

Please be careful to avoid personal attacks in this thread. If things escalate I'm going to have to lock this thread. -- Programming Moderator Ken g6
 
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smackababy

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The inventor can "decide" all he wants, but if he is just wrong, then we can correct him.

I suppose it really is up to the 'namer', but it shouldn't be above criticism. If I had a daughter and named her 'Cara' and told everyone it is pronounced 'Sarah', she will have the choice to continuously correct people and have to answer questions as to why her parents are dumb, or go by what the acceptable pronunciation is.

And, even with that, English and it's pronunciation rules are just moronic. It could be pronounced "jife" for all we know. Take 'menu' for example. According to English, it should be pronounced 'mee nu', however, since it is a borrowed word, it doesn't conform to our standard pronunciation rules.
 
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gif is one that seems to be more widely agreed upon though. i have worked with a couple hundred programmers, and all but 1 have called it a "jif".
 
reallyscrued

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I don't know how this went from D-A-Os to SQL to gif, but since we're on the topic of .gif files:

I never understood those who insist it's pronounced with a hard 'G' purely because the G in Graphics Interchange Format is also a hard G.

The pronunciations of many acronyms differ from their elongated counterparts and in many cases, do not correspond exactly.

LASER > pronounced LAZER, not laSer. (hard Z instead of soft S)

SCUBA > pronounced with a long U. (Like Scooba; but the U in Underwater is a short U)

RADAR > pronounced raYdar. Totally just added a letter to make the first A say it's name.

I say if the inventor has gone on record to say he imagined it to be pronounced with a soft 'G', we should go with that. Don't like it? Make your own format.


Unrelated: people that pronounce out .ISO files as Eye-so should be beat with an aluminum rod.
 
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slugg

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I hate the term DAO, no matter how you pronounce it. Objects don't access data... Since when do objects access data? Am I the only one who thinks a data access LAYER (DAL) is what should access data? And you know, the DAL's input and output is, well, objects. Plain old objects, to be exact. This whole notion of "data access objects" is [stupid].

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Markbnj

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slugg said:
I hate the term DAO, no matter how you pronounce it. Objects don't access data... Since when do objects access data?
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I think you're layering some sort of bias onto the strict definition of what an object is. It's data, and a set of methods that operate on that data and provide a cohesive interface that achieves some discrete set of higher level goals. So why do objects not access data?
 
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So, ultimately, what does it matter how one pronounces a particular acronym? As long as the subject in question is actually communicated to the other party, it should be irrelevant.

Besides, these things are also a bit culture dependent: I hardly know of anyone in my country (Slovenia) that pronounces SQL as sequel. Acronyms just don't get converted to words like that, sorry. That's plain counter-intuitive. I suppose such "inventions" come from people who have trouble spelling.
 
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reallyscrued said:
I don't know how this went from D-A-Os to SQL to gif, but since we're on the topic of .gif files:

I never understood those who insist it's pronounced with a hard 'G' purely because the G in Graphics Interchange Format is also a hard G.

The pronunciations of many acronyms differ from their elongated counterparts and in many cases, do not correspond exactly.

LASER > pronounced LAZER, not laSer. (hard Z instead of soft S)
One of the many words that doesn't follow traditional pronunciation rules in English.
SCUBA > pronounced with a long U. (Like Scooba; but the U in Underwater is a short U)
Follows normal pronunciation rules. If it was scubba, we'd have a short U.
RADAR > pronounced raYdar. Totally just added a letter to make the first A say it's name.
Same as scuba. Nobody added a letter, it follows single consonant after a vowel means long vowel sound. The opposite would be 'menu', but that is a borrowed word (French, I believe).
I say if the inventor has gone on record to say he imagined it to be pronounced with a soft 'G', we should go with that. Don't like it? Make your own format.


Unrelated: people that pronounce out .ISO files as Eye-so should be beat with an aluminum rod. And what would you want this file called? "is so"? Yeah, that sounds terrible.
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smackababy said:
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Even with the convenient non-argument of "one of many(few) words that don't follow english convention"...you missed the point.

Proponents that insist pronouncing gif with a hard 'G' suggest that it is correct because the 'G' in Graphics is a hard 'G.'

Well the 'U' in Underwater is a short U. If we applied the logic from the previous example to the acronym SCUBA, then everyone should pronounce it Scubba.

But they don't.

So leave gif alone.

There is no reason for it to have a hard 'G' other than "I-said-so".

Well, if I'm going to listen to "Cuz-I-said-so" as the argument of how to pronounce it, I'll accept that argument from the creator of the format and the acronym.
 
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No, that is not why people use the hard 'g'. It is because in English, there aren't any short words that start with the soft 'g' and don't start with 'j'. Nobody says "hey, there goes a get plane!" Or, "Mike Tyson has a mean gab!". Gem is the only one I can even think of, and that is French. Seeing 'gif' should lead most native English speakers to assume a hard 'g' is the proper way to pronounce the word.
 
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smackababy said:
No, that is not why people use the hard 'g'. It is because in English, there aren't any short words that start with the soft 'g' and don't start with 'j'. Nobody says "hey, there goes a get plane!" Or, "Mike Tyson has a mean gab!". Gem is the only one I can even think of, and that is French. Seeing 'gif' should lead most native English speakers to assume a hard 'g' is the proper way to pronounce the word.
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the groovy library geb is pronounced "jeb". but i heard somebody say it wrong today :\
 
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I prefer to specific acronyms using the phonetic alphabet to ensure that there is no confusion.

Delta-Alpha-Oscar's
Microsoft Sierra-Quebec-Lima
Gulf-India-Foxtrot images
etc.

I win. :colbert:
 
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