When people aren't vaccinated...

[Newell Steamer]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-tells-parents-doubting-indisputable-science/

“I just want people to know the facts and science and the information,” the president said. “And the fact is that a major success of our civilization is our ability to prevent disease that in the past have devastated folks. And measles is preventable.”

“You should get your kids vaccinated — it’s good for them,” Obama said. “We should be able to get back to the point where measles effectively is not existing in this country.”

Oh right,.. sure,.. NOW you get involved!

Why didn't you hur-dur-dur when ebola was herp-a-derping into this nation through South America?!?!

 

[OverVolt]

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[manimal]

if people want a choice in not immunizing they should choose to live where it wont affect others. There is zero reason not to immunize against measles. The only study that ever showed a correlation was outed as being a fabrication.


Lets make all the antivaxxers live together so they can share their ideals and shortened life spans together. Lets grant them preferred religious status so they don't pay taxes and can afford to make their own buildings like the church has churches. Instead though they can be buried together in their tax free structures and they can express their choices in a safe environment.


its the new religion.

 

[werepossum]

Just heard a frightening statistic: 1 out of 30 school children in the Hamilton Co. TN system have not had all required vaccinations. No breakdown on anti-vax parents versus illegals/legal transfers. Several of those are children deemed medically fragile, such as one father who made an impassioned plea to vaccinate because his child is going through leukemia treatment and cannot be vaccinated.

It would truly be horrible to see your child beating leukemia only to die from, say, whooping cough, a disease that used to have a fairly severe child death rate.

I'm not vaccinated for religious reasons:
http://www.vhemt.org/
:awe:

lol

 

[Brainonska511]

I don't care.

Know why?

I had all my vaccinations. Work in healthcare, just had my antibody titers taken. Yup... I'm immune to everything.

Want to make yourself sick with the top 10 worst diseases of the century? Go right ahead. I'm immune. Drink your water from the toilet for all I care.

You should care. Your immunity might be holding up for now (and some people 'showed' that they should have had immunity but were still susceptible to infection), but what about your neighbor who could be immune compromised or allergic to a vaccine, or if you had a baby who couldn't be vaccinated yet?

I think it's a big problem when people want to set public policy based on utter fantasy instead of objective reality and facts.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I assume their will be exceptions for people who have a valid medical contradictions to a vaccine.

Of course.

 

[OverVolt]

You should care. Your immunity might be holding up for now (and some people 'showed' that they should have had immunity but were still susceptible to infection), but what about your neighbor who could be immune compromised or allergic to a vaccine, or if you had a baby who couldn't be vaccinated yet?

I think it's a big problem when people want to set public policy based on utter fantasy instead of objective reality and facts.

Oh geez now I feel bad. Its still stupid to go without vaccinations though. I can understand extending out the vaccine schedule. I don't particularly like the unwell feeling a week or two after a vaccine while your immune system is activated but I still sucked it up and got all my vaccinations. There have always been exemptions, you don't vaccinate someone who is already sick or allergic to anything in the vaccine etc. etc.

 

[JockoJohnson]

What ever happened to all of those illegal children that were smuggled into the US? Last I heard, they were shipped off to different cities across the country. Were they all vaccinated? Any chance that any of the breakouts could be caused by them? Or are we just only bashing the idiotic anti-vax people?

 

[Gunslinger08]

While I think you are pretty dumb if you don't get your kids vaccinated if it's viable (ex. not too young, allergic, or immunocompromised), it's your choice. When people talk about the government "compelling" vaccination, how do they see enforcing it? Not allowing the kids in school? Not allowing them to have a job? An annual fine? Not allowing them to leave your house? Law enforcement raiding your house and holding you down during forced vaccination? This is America - we are allowed to be stupid if we so choose. I think what we really need is education. New parents are complacent because they never knew someone who lost a child to any easily preventable disease. They need to be exposed to the truth of what can happen and how safe vaccines really are.

 

[abj13]

What ever happened to all of those illegal children that were smuggled into the US? Last I heard, they were shipped off to different cities across the country. Were they all vaccinated? Any chance that any of the breakouts could be caused by them? Or are we just only bashing the idiotic anti-vax people?

What is known so far about the Disneyland outbreak, 28 of 34 people who contracted measles were unvaccinated. One did not have a booster yet, and five had their full vaccine series, but they did not release the ages of those people.

http://www.cdph.ca.gov/Pages/NR15-008.aspx

But your theory of "illegal" children being the source is rather unlikely since Mexico's Measles immunization rate has been 89-99% of all eligible children in the last 4 years (consistently above 90% for the past decade, unclear why 2013 was an outlier). The US? 91-92%. They are no worse, and depending on the year, better than the US in vaccinations. Mexico is declared just like the US in that they do not have endemic measles cases, any index case has to be imported from outside the country/North America.

http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.IMM.MEAS/countries

 

[JockoJohnson]

What is known so far about the Disneyland outbreak, 28 of 34 people who contracted measles were unvaccinated. One did not have a booster yet, and five had their full vaccine series, but they did not release the ages of those people.

http://www.cdph.ca.gov/Pages/NR15-008.aspx

But your theory of "illegal" children being the source is rather unlikely since Mexico's Measles immunization rate has been 89-99% of all eligible children in the last 4 years (consistently above 90% for the past decade, unclear why 2013 was an outlier). The US? 91-92%. They are no worse, and depending on the year, better than the US in vaccinations. Mexico is declared just like the US in that they do not have endemic measles cases, any index case has to be imported from outside the country/North America.

http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.IMM.MEAS/countries

Thanks. And I didn't mean to take away from the idiots in the US who don't believe in vaccination. But from what I understood, most of the children didn't come from Mexico but other places in Central America. It is good to know that other countries around the US are doing vaccinations as well.

From that Disney outbreak, I learned that the US hasn't had a case of measles that was started here by a US citizen in years. They have always started because of visitors from other countries. I would think that Disneyland gets its fair share of US citizens as well as foreign visitors due to its popularity. But now that knuckleheads don't want to vaccinate their kids, it makes us more vulnerable.

 

[werepossum]

Thanks. And I didn't mean to take away from the idiots in the US who don't believe in vaccination. But from what I understood, most of the children didn't come from Mexico but other places in Central America. It is good to know that other countries around the US are doing vaccinations as well.

From that Disney outbreak, I learned that the US hasn't had a case of measles that was started here by a US citizen in years. They have always started because of visitors from other countries. I would think that Disneyland gets its fair share of US citizens as well as foreign visitors due to its popularity. But now that knuckleheads don't want to vaccinate their kids, it makes us more vulnerable.

Besides the country of origin, it's worth pointing out that our illegal border crossers (as opposed to those over-staying visas) are typically from the poorer parts of their societies who would presumably be more likely to fall through the cracks.

 

[OverVolt]

Besides the country of origin, it's worth pointing out that our illegal border crossers (as opposed to those over-staying visas) are typically from the poorer parts of their societies who would presumably be more likely to fall through the cracks.

They come FROM the cracks man

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Oh how soon we forget. There was a time when people appropriated vaccines

 

[RickBean]

It's okay when adult person don't wanna be vaccinate, but if fanatic parents don't wanna vaccinate their children... Maybe i don't understand something,but i think that these people just haven't got brains, like politics which are against vacines, where's common sense?

 

[Moonbeam]

If there's something the CBD can fuck up, it will find it.

 

[allisolm]

This is America - we are allowed to be stupid if we so choose.

Not so much.

Seat belt laws.
Bicycle helmet laws.
Child car seat laws.
NYC ban on sugared drinks (eventually shot down by the NY Supreme Court)

 

[werepossum]

They come FROM the cracks man

lol Yep.

Not so much.

Seat belt laws.
Bicycle helmet laws.
Child car seat laws.
NYC ban on sugared drinks (eventually shot down by the NY Supreme Court)

And all those things present much less risk to others than not vaccinating. I can't imagine the angst and fear felt by parents with unvaccinatable (to coin a word) children fighting things like leukemia when that child is visibly threatened by parents who refuse to allow their children to face a tiny, tiny risk, one much less than the risks posed by the not vaccinating itself.

I absolutely hate the idea of government-mandated vaccinations, but with rates as high as 18% (Colorado) and 5% nationwide I see no way around it. Perhaps we really have devolved into something too stupid to survive as a nation. (Except Mississippi at 99.7% for kindergartners and the MMR vaccine.)

http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/03/health/the-unvaccinated/

I should add that I can totally see the fear. My son was one of those who reacted badly to every vaccination - his arm or leg would swell to two or three times its size and he'd run a high fever for days. I've also seen those kids and young adults in Michael Dunn whose brains and/or nervous systems were fried by vaccines (or perhaps by coincidental infections - who knows?), kids whose lives were absolutely ruined. You just have to do the math and weigh the risks. At the end of the day, public health is being compromised because some people are unable to do that in a reasonable manner. Or perhaps even worse, selfishly assuming that other parents should take the risks and they'll gain the benefits of a vaccinated society at no personal risk. Hopefully this epidemic will show this view to be foolish.

 

[piasabird]

The chart is not good enough. There have been cases reported of foot in mouth disease. Some people brought all kinds of diseases from south of the Mexico southern border.

 

[piasabird]

You never know if some new strain of the Measles will develop.

 

[Brainonska511]

You never know if some new strain of the Measles will develop.

Based on the available evidence, that doesn't seem very likely. In the last 50 years, even with the selective pressure of a vaccinated population, the measles virus remains relatively unchanged, especially in the region the human immune system recognizes due to vaccination.

However, a polio strain was found that could resist the vaccine.

 

[zinfamous]

Smallpox may have killed a lot of people, but at least the people who survived were not jibbering drooling morons who think they're so damn smart. For those that do not wish to be jibbering drooling morons who lick the boots of their corporate masters and love every last drop of it, there are many types of vaccines that can be obtained either without mercury or with much less mercury. But you have to do some work to obtain them, which obviously requires that you not be a jibbering drooling moron.

man, I hope you don't eat sushi (or any apex fish)

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

When do we get to tell gays they need to stay inside and lose custody of their children?

After all, gays make up the largest percentage of HIV cases.

yay, so good to have you back toothless. Right out of the block, you go from being an anti-vaccine fucktard to a bigot.

Wipe the salty spray from your eyes (and mouth) and let the adults talk for a while.

 

[Meghan54]

Smallpox may have killed a lot of people, but at least the people who survived were not jibbering drooling morons who think they're so damn smart. For those that do not wish to be jibbering drooling morons who lick the boots of their corporate masters and love every last drop of it, there are many types of vaccines that can be obtained either without mercury or with much less mercury. But you have to do some work to obtain them, which obviously requires that you not be a jibbering drooling moron.

Pray tell, what vaccines contain mercury, outside the flu vaccine?

Please list them........

And when you can't, are you going to admit mercury in vaccines, again except flu vaccines, aren't the devil and people who take them aren't licking the boots of their corporate masters? And here's a shocker...it isn't hard at all to find a vaccine lacking mercury....and the opposite is actually true---it's hard to find a vaccine with mercury:


(Hint: Since 2001, all vaccines manufactured for the U.S. market and routinely recommended for children ≤ 6 years of age have contained no thimerosal or only trace amounts (≤ 1 microgram of mercury per dose remaining from the manufacturing process), with the exception of inactivated influenza vaccine. In addition, all of the routinely recommended vaccines that had been previously manufactured with thimerosal as a preservative (some formulations of DTaP, Haemophilus influenzae b conjugate (Hib), and hepatitis B vaccines) had reached the end of their shelf life by January 2003.

Furthermore, all new vaccines licensed since 1999 are free of thimerosal as a preservative.)