When is it cool to propose having two Americas?

[Moonbeam]

lol. Attack each other. No. They'd unify against those "outsiders" that pushed them to this state. Kinda like how they are now.

No win scenario, old chum....

Trust me. Self hate always creates 'the other' even out of thin air.

 

[Muse]

The problems involved with mitosis of the USA are mind-bogglingly formidable. Would never get to first base. They tried it in 1860, there was a blood bath of epic proportions.

 

[UberNeuman]

Trust me. Self hate always creates 'the other' even out of thin air.

Realizing and understanding self-hate is a stepping stone toward bettering oneself, however, that's a luxury that few have or take time to consider - even then - have to be open to it.

When cancer grows, do we treat it or let it go on? I have no interest in asking cancer how it feels or what it wants.

It's painfully clear what it wants. To destroy the host. So be it.

 

[Moonbeam]

Realizing and understanding self-hate is a stepping stone toward bettering oneself, however, that's a luxury that few have or take time to consider - even then - have to be open to it.

When cancer grows, do we treat it or let it go on? I have no interest in asking cancer how it feels or what it wants.

It's painfully clear what it wants. To destroy the host. So be it.

My think that I try to get over to people is that they have correct moral values, it makes perfect sense for example to excise cancer. Where people go wrong, in my opinion, is that they equate their very real and important moral values with the notion that how they personally picture them which may fall very far short of ideal. Protecting life for example a real moral value, may equate to killing cancer, but it does not equate to killing people. You have no moral right to decide as with cancer, to eliminate people. Cancer is a disease. Conservative, the kind of modern American conservative you have a beef with are sick. Sick people may get well or perform functions that are vital. Moral condemnation of the kind you express here is a conservative trait.

 

[UberNeuman]

My think that I try to get over to people is that they have correct moral values, it makes perfect sense for example to excise cancer. Where people go wrong, in my opinion, is that they equate their very real and important moral values with the notion that how they personally picture them which may fall very far short of ideal. Protecting life for example a real moral value, may equate to killing cancer, but it does not equate to killing people. You have no moral right to decide as with cancer, to eliminate people. Cancer is a disease. Conservative, the kind of modern American conservative you have a beef with are sick. Sick people may get well or perform functions that are vital. Moral condemnation of the kind you express here is a conservative trait.

Sorry, man. Cancervatives have rolled the die in favor of something they can never get unless they break the union.

/and I don't advocate any sort of violence. But I don't have to hold their hand.

 

[Moonbeam]

Sorry, man. Cancervatives have rolled the die in favor of something they can never get unless they break the union.

/and I don't advocate any sort of violence. But I don't have to hold their hand.

The same applies here. When you say you don't have to hold their hand it's a statement of moral principle, one you construct and invest significance to in your head. I would say you have no choice but to not hold their hand because you don't know how to and you have made the unconscious assumption that you can't. In this way you you can justify indifference on the basis they are unworthy. The unworthy do not deserve help, but who are they and who determines that? If you felt your pain it would go away to be replaced by compassion. Take what you can if you can. I have said enough.

 

[Starbuck1975]

I'm pretty sure while Trumptards are defending it from the mexicans, Liberals will defend it from the Russians.

Blue states have the lowest enlistment rates in the country.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Blue states are like West Germany and red States east Germany. Money talks people, we are Capitalists after all.

Not entirely true. A big portion of Merkel’s coalition is built from eastern German socialist blocks who are sympathetic to Russia, and Bavaria is incredibly nationalistic. Your merger with Canada would certainly create the greatest Olympic hockey team.

 

[boomerang]

Damn straight. And one of the sides has to be more correct than the others right. I'll go with the one not worshiping an openly racist guy running the show. Let's build on that.

You gonna let those living in the Upper West Side that are railing against diversifying their schools hang with you holier-than-thou's?

Watch: Roomful of Rich, White NYC Parents Get Big Mad at Plan to Diversify Neighborhood’s Schools

 

[cytg111]

Look. Approx a 1/3 of the country are rabid Trump supporters. That's a lot of wasted resources and space for starters. Partisanship isn't going anywhere, if not getting worse and worse. Our ideologies and passions are only getting farther apart.

What's the problem in discussing a solution of two states? Is it a civil war? Yes that would be inconvenient and terrible, but theoretically what if we could do it amicably? What if. Would you be more for it then?

You would give them a third of the nukes too?

 

[Thebobo]

The only concern I have is the other side might devolve back to knuckle draggers. But the upside is we can use them as construction labor and make movies like planet of the knuckle draggers.

But seriously hell no. Didn't fight a civil war to end up this way.

 

[pmv]

I love the idea of civil war being 'inconvenient'!

The US ought to break up, but it can't. Not possible. Maybe concentrate on slowly self-segregating, by all tacitly agreeing which bits of the country to move to? Try to make sure they are contiguous areas. Then in a couple of centuries you can put up some border posts and it will barely be noticed.

Really though, I'm not 100% convinced there's as much unity within each 'side' as it appears. Divisions can change when circumstances do.

 

[ch33zw1z]

The divorce would not be pretty. We should definitely just agree to different parenting styles and the occasional domestic violence call.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Why two? Let the Dems have their own, the Reps have theirs. Then two more divisions, one for those who want to be partisans and the last for those who don't want that shit.

 

[Thebobo]

Thebobostan

 

[Jaskalas]

Blue states have the lowest enlistment rates in the country.

That's for fighting foreign wars. For "killing brown people". Not very popular. Things would not look the same in a domestic conflict.

 

[soulcougher73]

The problem to me is eventually these 2 new America's are going to have the same problem. Just because we split in to a conservative america and liberal america now, doesnt mean everyone born into those americas will hold those same beliefs. 200 years from now they'd want to split again. Best to just work together and compromise.

 

[cytg111]

The greatest things accomplished by the human race we have done so by coming together.

CERN, particle collider
International Space Station
Vaccines
Internet
Nuclear power
Mapped our own DNA
etc

By finding ways to collaborate not isolate.
Europe without war for 60+ years with NATO.
Unity makes us strong. Divided we fall.

 

[BoomerD]

Why the hell would they want to leave if they wanted to be there in the first place and knew exactly what they were in for? Derp scenario is derp boomer...

 

[MrSquished]

Blue states should just merge with Canada and make Canada the greatest country on Earth. A wall will be needed to keep folks from red States out.

Blue states are like West Germany and red States east Germany. Money talks people, we are Capitalists after all.

Brilliant! United we do stand and divided we do fall. We just need to be united with Canada instead of those douchebag Trumpists. All along the answer is right in front of us, and by front I mean north

 

[MrSquished]

You gonna let those living in the Upper West Side that are railing against diversifying their schools hang with you holier-than-thou's?

Watch: Roomful of Rich, White NYC Parents Get Big Mad at Plan to Diversify Neighborhood’s Schools

They can hang, or move! Down to the lily-white land of Trumpism.

 

[MrSquished]

The greatest things accomplished by the human race we have done so by coming together.

CERN, particle collider
International Space Station
Vaccines
Internet
Nuclear power
Mapped our own DNA
etc

By finding ways to collaborate not isolate.
Europe without war for 60+ years with NATO.
Unity makes us strong. Divided we fall.

The greatest thing accomplished by the human race in the last 200 years is none of the above. It's telling man that he CAN NOT own another man. And that took a fucking civil war motherfucker.

 

[Thebobo]

We need a common enemy to bring us together. Hmm Canada? nah, Mexico? nah, lets see.

 

[Starbuck1975]

That's for fighting foreign wars. For "killing brown people". Not very popular. Things would not look the same in a domestic conflict.

Not sure what you mean. Who is killing brown people?

 

[MrSquished]

O Canaaaaaaaaada O Canaaaaaaaaaada!