When Is Anandtech Going To Expose Gigabyte's Failure To Support Its Products?

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dlbetz

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Just got my RMA appoval and instructions how and what they want. Here is what they emailed me.

Dear Customer,
This email is to remind you to package your GA-N680SLI-DQ6 carefully before you send it in for this special program. Here are some tips for you.
Make sure the CPU socket protection lid is on in secure
Make sure the clear plastic lids are in right position and will not damage the heatsink
Include all the accessories came with the motherboard
Double box the package to prevent potential shipping damages
Gigabyte will inpect the motherboard upon receipt and make sure there is no any form of physical damage including but not limited to bent pins, scratches, oxidation, burnt, missing parts, cracks or any kind of deformation. If any sort of damage is found on the returned motherboard, the replacement will not be shipped.

We thank you for cooperating on these and appreciate your business with GIGABYTE
 

jaggerwild

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Good morning all!
Well I'm stuck they gave me the RMA number I stuck it on then went to ship it, I got off work tonight and boom. I get an E-mail From Mr. Chuck @Gigabyte telling me to include everything with the borad?
Six hours after they give me the Damn RMA number he sends me the instructions, so now it will cost me to ship the damn thing back then re-send it. I'm so loving this BS, 114 pages still you have not given the people what they paid for and ARE STILL PLAYING GAMES!
GIG-A-RACKET
Regards!
 

EateryOfPiza

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Originally posted by: dlbetz
Just got my RMA appoval and instructions how and what they want. Here is what they emailed me.

Dear Customer,
This email is to remind you to package your GA-N680SLI-DQ6 carefully before you send it in for this special program. Here are some tips for you.
Make sure the CPU socket protection lid is on in secure
Make sure the clear plastic lids are in right position and will not damage the heatsink
Include all the accessories came with the motherboard
Double box the package to prevent potential shipping damages
Gigabyte will inpect the motherboard upon receipt and make sure there is no any form of physical damage including but not limited to bent pins, scratches, oxidation, burnt, missing parts, cracks or any kind of deformation. If any sort of damage is found on the returned motherboard, the replacement will not be shipped.

We thank you for cooperating on these and appreciate your business with GIGABYTE

Ugh, I don't know if i have all the cables with me since I moved, and I certainly don't have the motherboard box.
 

EateryOfPiza

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QX6800, QX6700 is 1066 MHz. I've never heard of the QX6600, but i would bet that its 1066 mhz as well. QX9770 and QX9775 are 1600 MHz.

Intel has only made two 1333 MHz Extreme Quad Cores.

Edit: Lulz
 

aigomorla

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Originally posted by: EateryOfPiza
QX6800, QX6700 is 1066 MHz. I've never heard of the QX6600, but i would bet that its 1066 mhz as well. QX9770 and QX9775 are 1600 MHz.

Intel has only made two 1333 MHz Extreme Quad Cores.

Edit: Lulz

yeah thats why i said ACK i missed read his post :p

QX6600 as i said was uber rare. Suposidely a QX series with a 9x unlocked start multi like a Q6600. And no it wasnt an ES chip. Google it, you'll see hits on it.


Ahhh heres the part number thanks to largon on XS.
Part number:
BX80562QX6600

2.4GHz 2x4MB 266MHz
(stock multi x9, unlocked like all "Extreme" -branded Intel CPU)
Hence, it's the same as Q6600 but unlocked.
Released with QX6700, pulled due to QX6800.

Anyhow i did hunt one down to AUS. But i couldnt get it. And the multi was confirmed unlocked. :T (B3 steping btw, which blows)

Trust me i know my intel quads. :T
 

KillerG

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Hey guess there is this thread too? Anyhow I probably should have been posting here as I have been posting on the original thread where all this started. Anyhow just wanted to update all if you?re interested?

Complaints have been filed with both the FTC and the AGO of my state. The great thing is my state is one of the most aggressive when it comes to electronics and software due to so many tech companies in the area.
I also forwarded all information to a much larger law firm that deals in consumer protection and false advertising and misrepresentation/manipulation of consumers.

We shall see what happens next?
 

EateryOfPiza

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Originally posted by: KillerG
Hey guess there is this thread too? Anyhow I probably should have been posting here as I have been posting on the original thread where all this started. Anyhow just wanted to update all if you?re interested?

Complaints have been filed with both the FTC and the AGO of my state. The great thing is my state is one of the most aggressive when it comes to electronics and software due to so many tech companies in the area.
I also forwarded all information to a much larger law firm that deals in consumer protection and false advertising and misrepresentation/manipulation of consumers.

We shall see what happens next?

Hey dude, legal threats don't really help those of us who want this to proceed amicably. Legal threats tend to get the lawyers involved who tend to get everybody else involved to shut up, which means we get screwed, and we might not be in as trigger-happy states as you are. Plus this is the wrong place to be threatening people. This forum was intended for people to help each other out, and I think these legal threats are completely counter to that.

We've seen a good and decent effort for Gigabyte to address our concerns, and we should take that to its conclusion. If you want to go through the courts, you should do it with your lawyer, and not with us.
 

KillerG

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@ Mr. EateryOfpiza,

Umm not sure what threats you?re talking about as I'm not some teenager just talking? Once I receive case numbers from FTC and AGO I will be more than happy to provide.

So what I hear you saying is your just happy being lied to and manipulated as long as you get something. Well all these companies will do is keep doing it until legally someone stops them. The last time I looked I live in the (USA) a country of laws and like or dislike it all you want, but I have the right to do as I please and you stated a decent effort from GB are you kidding me? Tell me what they have offered that meets the same specifications that they originally sold this board under. Your diatribe about my post is most trivial!
 

KillerG

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To ensure all my so called threats are not empty:

"Thank you for submitting a complaint to the Office of the Attorney General on 4/16/2008.
Your complaint is very important to us and we have assigned it to a consumer resource
center specialist

If you have any questions about the complaint submittal process, you may contact
our Consumer Resource Center at 1-800-551-4636 between 10:00 a.m. and 3:00 p.m.,
Monday through Friday.

Sincerely,

Rob McKenna and the AGO staff"
 

EateryOfPiza

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Originally posted by: KillerG
@ Mr. EateryOfpiza,

Umm not sure what threats you?re talking about as I'm not some teenager just talking? Once I receive case numbers from FTC and AGO I will be more than happy to provide.

So what I hear you saying is your just happy being lied to and manipulated as long as you get something. Well all these companies will do is keep doing it until legally someone stops them. The last time I looked I live in the (USA) a country of laws and like or dislike it all you want, but I have the right to do as I please and you stated a decent effort from GB are you kidding me? Tell me what they have offered that meets the same specifications that they originally sold this board under. Your diatribe about my post is most trivial!

What I'm saying is that once you start going through the courts, lawyers get involved. Once lawyers get involved, everything stops. And that means nobody gets a replacement and nobody gets anything for years while this case grinds through the court system.

A recent Seagate class action lasted for two years and what did the people get in the end? If their hard drive was old enough, they could choose free hard drive backup software or 5% of purchase price. If their hard drive wasn't old enough, they got free backup software. Whoopee. Welcome to how the US court system actually works, lawyers settle to get their percentage cut as quickly as possible and the consumers get screwed anyways. http://www.harddrive-settlement.com/notice-long.htm

Also, if you're expecting something exactly matching the specs of the N680SLI-DQ6, then I advise you not to hold your breath. The nVidia spec for the 790i allows for 6 SATA ports. That's it. Unless you want GB to go outside of the spec (like they did in the N680SLI), they're not going to produce something that will match exactly.
 

Jessica69

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Eatery is right. Once one sues, the company will have no compulsion to help anyone out with free replacements.....so the pipeline of free replacements that seems to be in place right now will shut down. Too bad....it seems we live in an ultra sue-happy society, which KillerG seems to reinforce. If a company does something that upsets you, sue them, to hell if they try to make the problem right, even if the company is a bit slow on the start.

Well, I wish everyone well in getting their replacements done.....and quickly. If a lawsuit is truly in the works by unnamed parties, your source of replacements will turn off....and fast. Gigabyte, when served with a lawsuit, will have no impetus to do anything else.....
 

Blazer7

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There?re always gonna be people that don?t want to compromise or accept anything else than their own way nomatter what but regardless of what KillerG is doing I don't believe that GB will give up on the rest of us.

If somebody sues them then they will take it against that one for sure but there is no point to turn against everyone else. This will just create more negative publicity for GB and there?s absolutely no reason for that especially now that many of us have already agreed to settle this peacefully.
 

aigomorla

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DOE... u guys just threw a wrench in your works.

They were giving replacements to there X48-DQ6 line and that wasnt enough for you guys?


Now if they see its going to go legal, you guys are all going to get shorted.

Also just to let you know people involved in a class auction suit do not make money, they just get what was wrong corrected. The laywer who does the suit makes all the money.

Most likely the compensation will = a simular replacement or a refund minus depreciation. Remember when you guys bought the board it was working as promised. The upgradability was not however.

*sigh*

I wish you guys the best of luck on this one. My prefered method was trying to clear things up in the most amiable way possible. Then once the company lets you know there not budging: as Mr. Burns on simpsons says, "let lose the dogs smitherz!"
 

finguz

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For what it's worth we got our solicitor to contact Gigabyte and finally took them to court. They settled long before the first court date by giving us a full refund.

Don't be frightened of fighting for your rights ;)
 

KillerG

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Thank you Finguz,

My goal is not to have anyone shorted and the chances of going all the way to class action statues is very slim, unless GB holds that false advertising and misrepresentation of a product is ok to them. I have said before and why I have personally taken the next step is they continue not to have a refund as an option. We all purchased a product with claims that were false. It does not matter if it works or not bottom line some of us made that purchasing decision based on those claims. A note on the disclaimer from the box: Nowhere does it state CPU support may change they state to check with vendor well I purchased my board from Newegg and all items listed on box was also listed on Newegg's specification list. I wonder where they got that information. Umm yeah the manufacture of the board.

If I get no refund no board that matches what I purchased what my goal is is to ensure that what was true false advertising and misrepresentation of a product is unacceptable. As if GB gets away with this it will be a year maybe two or more and similar companies will throw all these capabilities of there product on their packaging and then can just say "Aww well the spec changes or this changed or point the finger at someone else" No body takes responsibility for there actions they just divert blame. As far as giving us anything some of you make it sound like we or I should be grateful for anything they do. No way they OWE it to the people they misrepresented not us bowing down on our knees thanking them for being so generous on what their WILLING to do.
 

GigabyteColin

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@ Mr. KillerG,

There are in fact 2 clauses on your box that read:

"Motherboard specifications may not be exactly as shown. Please confirm specifications with your dealer prior to purchase."

and

"the specifications and pictures are subject to change without notice."

We print this on every colorbox.

We are taking responsibility for this situation. I am sorry you have decided not contacted us for whatever reason to actually resolve this matter for you. But since you haven't contacted us, it is impossible for us to help.
 

Wsmitty

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Colin, please respond to my post. I have not been contacted from my e-mail to Leo. It has been 10 days now, all I got was the auto responce that it got forwarded. Should I still wait or should I resend.

Thankyou for your help
 

KillerG

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Thank you Gigabytecolin for clarifying. I did not quote the box exactly, but I did state that you need to check with vendor. So:

Your statement:
"Motherboard specifications may not be exactly as shown. Please confirm specifications with your dealer prior to purchase?.

Ok, so here was exactly what I did and I do on every purchase I make. Found what I wanted that met my needs. Looked at specification on ?dealers? site, went to the OEM of the product, which would be Gigabyte and looked at the over view and statements and specification the same day I purchased.

So tell me how much more should a consumer need to do? By the way most if not all dealers get specifications from the OEM, which would be you.

"The specifications and pictures are subject to change without notice."

Umm?Little confused on this one as they day I purchase and the day I received and the day I pulled your product out of the box the so called specification were still listed on the OEM site and the dealers site and were so until consumers started to complain. You removed after the fact, you provided no communication to the consumer, you provided no upfront solution, you have not provided a correction to the issue only a compromise and this was only after the outrage from the consumer over your false advertising and misrepresentation of a product your company sold.

As I?ve said before any and all have a right to deal with GB as they wish. Others and I feel your company should be offering a full refund on the product you misrepresented to customers and feel that this is the right solution and if others just want a board that does not meet the original advertised specifications so be it. Your company has no excuse to manipulate the consumer the way you have in this instance. Your company could have pulled the product, released a press release to the same trade magazines that your marketing department touted about the capabilities of this board. Gigabyte CHOOSE to do nothing until the issue was known. Your company knew much sooner than the consumer ever did, and if you didn?t then I would say your technical department is lacking greatly. So again refund the consumer, trade for an item they will be happy with and not just the one?s that are ok with the X48, some are willing to wait for the 790i well great, but your company has already said no. Then release an official press release on the mistakes that have been made. But, you will do neither you will give only what is fiscally right for your company not what?s right for the consumer that was manipulated over a product you sold.

And if it was Intel? Then make this right with all that has purchased this board and squeeze the dollars out of the one who caused this mess. Not one person on this site caused this issue we purchased with excitement and aww only now to know we were mislead.

Note: When I say you it is at GB not Gigabytecolin.
 

GigabyteColin

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Mr. KillerG,

As I suggested. If you are really interested in a solution, then contact us. Otherwise go your legal route. You mentioned you already did, so I'm not sure what it is you want trying to accomplish by furthering this conversation here. If you are wanting to me to argue with you about what you think is legally or morally right in this matter, I am not going to do it.
 

TheBeagle

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Good Morning Mr. KillerG, Mr. Colin & Everyone.

As we are all well aware, there appear to be efforts afoot by GB to reach an accommodation with the N680i board owners concerning the failure of that board to perform as advertised. And we are all also aware of all the screaming and bitching that had to occur on this Forum, and a few other places as well, that caused Anandtech to make a critical assessment of GB's customer support (or lack thereof) concerning the failed N680i board. All of that is history, and well documented on this Thread and its companion Thread on this Forum. So, we really don't need to rehash all of the unfortunate history, day after day.

GB has offered, among a few other resolution options, to replace the failed N680i board with a new GA-X48-DQ6 board - even swap. As I noted in an earlier posting, that particular option will result in the loss of SLI function, since that feature is not presently available with an Intel chipset. Otherwise, that swap is fairly comparable. A few other members have indicated a possible other solution being discussed, namely, awaiting the arrival of the N790i boards due to an absolute need for SLI, but also realizing the need to purchase replacement DDR3 memory sticks (since DDR2 is not supported by that chipset). That may become an additional option, going forward.

Now to the issue at hand. Mr. KillerG appears to be unsatisfied with the options for resolution being tended by GB, which, of course, is his right. It is also Mr. KillerG's right to initiate whatever legal action he chooses to engage to seek relief for the failed N680i board that he has. There is no question that he has those legal rights as a citizen of the State of Washington. And once initiated, the various agencies in WA will review those claims and take whatever action may be appropriate, including calling GB to answer those claims. Quite honestly, on the issue of false advertising, the claims are a sure winner - there's little doubt about that.

However, and unfortunately for GB, that's not all that they have to be concerned about. If the authorities in WA were to determine that GB's actions in the matter were either "knowing" or "reckless" then certain types of serious, class-based, remedial actions could be utilized to cause GB to "cure" the harm caused by its actions (or inactions), and sometimes those remedial actions can be quite painful for an errant manufacturer. Now it is equally obvious to me, that GB is reducing the "pool" of known unhappy N680i board owners by these recent proposed accommodations, by offering these swaps, and thereby reaching what the law calls "accord and satisfaction." In most jurisdictions, the acceptance of an accommodation such as the ones currently being offered by GB, would bar the owner of a N680i board from seeking additional relief.

However, those instances of individual resolution do not bar the State of Washington, or any other jurisdiction with similar consumer protection laws, from itself going after GB on account of alleged violations of various types of unfair trade practices statutes. The right of the State of Washington to pursue a global remedy is distinct from the individual rights for just relief of the individual owners. All the foregoing discussion does not affect an individual's right to seek to initiate a class-based civil action against GB for violation of some trade practices laws, and if granted class status by a Court, that plaintiff owner (and the law firm that represents him/her) would be permitted to represent the interest of the entire class. That type of litigation is very lengthy and expensive to pursue, but can be very costly to a manufacturer (if the plaintiff prevails), in certain situations.

So I suppose it all distills down to what an aggrieved party wants from a manufacturer such as GB in this type of scenario. If the person just wants to be made reasonably whole, then some form of accommodation between the individual owner and GB is a preferable method of resolution. On the other hand, if the aggrieved owner wants his/her "Pound of Flesh" (Shakespeare, The Merchant of Venice - Bargain of Shylock), then the true object is revenge and not relief. It is sometimes necessary to seek a Pound of Flesh from an opposing party on account of their unwillingness to be reasonable in reaching a balanced settlement of a dispute. And, of course "reasonable" is a relative word and concept, depending on all of the circumstances in a particular situation.

So Mr. KillerG, a fair question to you is what are you seeking? Are you looking for a reasonable accommodation from GB which will provide you relief from the failed aspects of the N680i board? Or are you looking for a Pound of Flesh. The former you can likely get from GB by engaging in some civil discourse with the GB reps. It is beyond question that these Threads and Mr. Gary's outstanding article have certainly procured GB's serious attention - so the forum of resolution is in place. On the other hand if you want revenge - but remember, "Revenge Is Mine Saith The Lord" (Romans 12:19) - then the legal route is the only recourse.

A number of members/posters, myself included, were/are very vocal advocates for the individual and collective rights of the N680i board owners, and we brought pressure to bear on this Forum and other places as well, to finally "get the attention" of GB. Now that that attention has been obtained, the dialog has begun, and some progress has been made - that's the very nature of these types of disputes. In a perfect world, we would all hope that a giant corporation such as GB would have been an exemplary good corporate citizen as soon as it knew one its products has failed to deliver as promised. But that's a bit of fantasy. Unfortunately GB's middle managers chose to basically stonewall and ignore the issues with the failed N680i board, until it reached a level that it was about to explode and cause some serious harm to GB's business interests and give GB's competitor's a potential business advantage, resulting in a real potential for loss of market share. That's what really got GB's attention, when it was about to hit them in the pocketbook. Those responsible for this fiasco within the GB structure ought to have been significantly disciplined, if not fired for exposing the corporation to this kind of grief - but those are decisions that GB must make.

In summary, those owners who want a replacement accommodation from GB as their chosen form of relief should pursue that route. Those who want a Pound of Flesh, should sharpen up their knives, and march off to war. Good Luck to Everyone, whichever road you choose to travel.

Best regards to everyone. Have a nice day. TheBeagle :D :beer:

 

xerces8

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It was probably said already: If a product lacks an advertised feature, then that is a bulletproof ground to return it and get your money back.
Most jurisdictions (EU for example) give consumers a 2 year time (counting from the moment of purchase) for this.
 

TheBeagle

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Good Morning Everyone.

Here's an excerpt from a posting on the other N680i Thread:

I know that from a logical point of view one may reasonably believe that once GB gives a cash refund to one customer, they're obligated to follow suite for everyone. However, that may not necessarily be the case. As you may recall, when Mr. Grim first told us all about his good fortune to receive a full refund, I inquired about whether or not he had some particularly strong consumer protection statutes in his jurisdiction that might have been a persuasive factor leading to his refund. He indicated that he didn't think so, or was otherwise unaware of any such enhanced protections.

However, I believe that once the GB folks began to realize the scope of this problem, they decided that they would not voluntarily provide cash refunds to owners of the failed N680i boards, since that meant an extra net loss for them (difference between the cost to manufacturer the boards versus the full purchase price, which represents probably near half of what was paid for each board at retail). Therefore, I suspect that without litigation, either individually or as a class, or having their corporate testicles squeezed by some consumer protection agency, GB is not going to continue to offer cash refunds.

It is also in GB's interest to keep this group of customers (N680i owners) in the GB camp by providing the X48 board replacements, and even the N790i replacements if that comes to pass. GB may also attempt to blame a regional customer service error for the fact that Mr. Grim obtained a cash refund for his board in the first place. The mere fact that no one else has been offered or obtained a cash refund (that we know about), is itself the strongest indication that GB is not going to go down the cash refund trail, unless legally compelled to do so.

So, as I posted earlier, each individual N680i board owner will have to make a choice for him/herself as to what path they wish to travel. I don't see GB willingly providing cash refunds as an offered option, unless they are legally compelled to do so, OR, unless they get their corporate chestnuts roasted some more by a significant media site, i.e. Anandtech, for failing to offer that option. Aside from those possibilities, GB is not likely going to cough up chunks of cash to quell the discontent, especially since it has been able to make some inroads into the pool of rightfully discontented N680i owners through the swap program.

However, I'm also quite sure that some technologically-moxie law firm may launch a lawsuit if they believe they can reap a significant legal fee by doing so, since most consumer protection statutes require that the losing manufacturer pay all the plaintiff's legal fees, expenses and costs, as part of any verdict or settlement. So we shall all see how this ends up.

But one fact is certainly a glowing truth in this sad circumstance, that is, GIGABYTE BROUGHT THIS ALL ON ITSELF BY ITS CORPORATE ARROGANCE in not dealing with it effectively, quietly and very promptly when it first began to surface. This is even more true when you consider the fact that other manufacturers of N680i boards stepped up right away and made things right for their customers. This left GB standing alone in the arrogance arena. It is also very interesting to observe that GB has NEVER APOLOGIZED to its customers on account of this debacle. Of course, in some cultures, that may be perceived as a "loss of face," and would be unthinkable. However, in the western world at least, that would be viewed as the right and courageous thing to do.

So, Gigabyte, LOOK INTO YOUR CORPORATE MIRROR, there you will find the sole entity that is absolutely responsible for all this grief and negative business effect! It is written, "Ye shall reap what ye shall sow" (Galatians 6:7-10)

Best regards to everyone. Have a nice day. TheBeagle :D :beer: