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When I say next Sunday

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Originally posted by: JTsyo
I think the root of the problem is that the week starts on a Sunday but the weekend ends on Sunday. So it depends how people think of Sunday.
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I think you can replace "Sunday" with "Wednesday" and my analysis does not change. I do not think it has anything to do with when the week ends or begins (at least, IMO).

this Wednesday = next Wednesday = the Wednesday less than or equal to a week from now.

MotionMan
 
So when you say next summer, do you mean the summer of 08 or the summer of 09?

This summer = summer of 08
Next summer = summer of 09

This sunday = Feb 3
Next sunday = Feb 10

The house analogy is not relavent because we are talking about the passage of time, not the physical location of an item.
 
Originally posted by: Ramma2
So when you say next summer, do you mean the summer of 08 or the summer of 09?

This summer = summer of 08
Next summer = summer of 09

This sunday = Feb 3
Next sunday = Feb 10
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If I say "next summer I'm going to Europe" in October 07, I mean summer 08, not 09. Depends on when you say next.
 
Originally posted by: Ramma2
So when you say next summer, do you mean the summer of 08 or the summer of 09?

This summer = summer of 08
Next summer = summer of 09

This sunday = Feb 3
Next sunday = Feb 10

The house analogy is not relavent because we are talking about the passage of time, not the physical location of an item.
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this summer = next summer = summer of 08
this Sunday = next Sunday = Feb 3

MotionMan
 
Originally posted by: MotionMan
Originally posted by: JTsyo
I think the root of the problem is that the week starts on a Sunday but the weekend ends on Sunday. So it depends how people think of Sunday.
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I think you can replace "Sunday" with "Wednesday" and my analysis does not change. I do not think it has anything to do with when the week ends or begins (at least, IMO).

this Wednesday = next Wednesday = the Wednesday less than or equal to a week from now.

MotionMan
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When you say this Wednesday I think everyone assumes the one that occurs in the current week. With Sunday though I have heard it both ways though usually the context makes it clear.
 
Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself
Originally posted by: MotionMan
Originally posted by: MercenaryYoureFired
Originally posted by: R Nilla
How about this:

This Sunday is short for This week's Sunday.
Next Sunday is short for Next week's Sunday.

This seems to be how most people in this thread are using the terms "This [day]" and "Next [day]". If you consider them to be short for "This week's [day]" and "Next week's [day]" then it makes perfect sense and still allows you to use "this" and "next" normally and not be at odds with the analogies pointed out by MotionMan.

Of course, looking at Sunday as either the beginning or ending of the week may throw this off.
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Exactly, people like MotionMan and the like are taking "This Sunday" and "Next Sunday" too literally.
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If by "literally" you mean "correctly", then I agree.

😉

MotionMan
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QFT

No matter how you guys spin it, next sunday will be on the 3rd, no ifs or buts

You assume people know you are saying "this weeks" or "next weeks" which they might not, so if you want to be 100% correct, next is the upcoming one

/thread
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It's not "spin," it's the way people talk in the United States. Obviously you're not from the Untied States, so you don't know that.
 
Originally posted by: JTsyo
I think the root of the problem is that the week starts on a Sunday but the weekend ends on Sunday. So it depends how people think of Sunday.
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That's exactly why I asked about Saturday. Ask 100 people on the street when "next Saturday" is, and 100 people will tell you it's 8 days from today. Sunday is only an issue because of the ambiguity about which week it belongs to. But logically, if I were talking about the Sunday 2 days from now, I'd just say "Sunday." Thus if I add the word "next," I'm talking about a different Sunday.

This is a common problem for foreigners, they don't understand idioms because they take them literally. For anyone who learned to speak English in the United States as their first language, there is no ambiguity.
 
Originally posted by: Ramma2
So when you say next summer, do you mean the summer of 08 or the summer of 09?

This summer = summer of 08
Next summer = summer of 09

This sunday = Feb 3
Next sunday = Feb 10

The house analogy is not relavent because we are talking about the passage of time, not the physical location of an item.
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Although I agree with you on the This summer = sum 08, and Next summer = sum 09, I don't agree with how you use This Sunday/Next Sunday.

"This Sunday" means Jan 27th, only b/c to me, a week begins with Sunday and ends with Sat. Thus, any day of the current week is preceded with a "This".

"Next Sunday" means Feb 3rd, b/c it falls in the up coming week.

Of course, most of the time the context of the sentence will help determine what is meant, for example: "This sunday I went to the park." Obviously I'm referring to Jan 27th.

So going back with the summer thing. This summer is in this year which begins from Jan. 1 and ends Dec 31st. So any season that falls in 2008 will be "This", while any season in 09 will be "next".

EDIT: Most people will add other words to help remove any ambiguity, such as " This past sunday" or "this coming sunday".
 
Originally posted by: Schfifty Five
"This Sunday" means Jan 27th, only b/c to me, a week begins with Sunday and ends with Sat. Thus, any day of the current week is preceded with a "This".

"Next Sunday" means Feb 3rd, b/c it falls in the up coming week.

Of course, most of the time the context of the sentence will help determine what is meant, for example: "This sunday I went to the park." Obviously I'm referring to Jan 27th.

So going back with the summer thing. This summer is in this year which begins from Jan. 1 and ends Dec 31st. So any season that falls in 2008 will be "This", while any season in 09 will be "next".

EDIT: Most people will add other words to help remove any ambiguity, such as " This past sunday" or "this coming sunday".
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No, it just means you fail at english. That's why God invented the word "last".

"Last Sunday I went to the park." So simple, and no ambiguity. Why confuse people or make them guess what you mean?
 
I know where you're coming from, but for implied days of the week it's a bit different mostly because many people equate Monday as the start of a new week, which we all know is really not the case.

"This Sunday" is basically a short hand way of saying "this upcoming Sunday". The upcoming is implied. Just like you would say to someone, "What are your plans this Sunday for the Super Bowl?" seeing as how it's Friday and the Super Bowl is two days away. If you said, "What are your plans next Sunday for the Super Bowl?" you would just confuse people into thinking the Super Bowl is on Feb. 10th.

This Sunday = this upcoming Sunday
Next Sunday = the Sunday after this upcoming one
 
Originally posted by: MotionMan
Are you people reading your posts out loud before you hit "Reply to Topic"?

:roll:

MotionMan
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You are either:
1. Not an American
2. A hermit who is unfamiliar with the way Americans speak
3. Arguing for the sake of arguing.

There are no other possibilities. This is how we talk in the United States.
 
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: MotionMan
Are you people reading your posts out loud before you hit "Reply to Topic"?

:roll:

MotionMan
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You are either:
1. Not an American
2. A hermit who is unfamiliar with the way Americans speak
3. Arguing for the sake of arguing.

There are no other possibilities. This is how we talk in the United States.
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1. I was born an raised in the United States (and in a part of the country that does not consider "youse guys" proper grammar 😉 );
2. I write in English for a living;
3. I also argue in English for a living.

MotionMan, Esq.
 
This Sunday = Superbowl
Next Sunday = February 10

You can go on your crusade about how this and next are supposed to mean the same thing, but the fact is when speaking with us commonfolk, they don't mean the same thing.
 
Originally posted by: MotionMan
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: MotionMan
Are you people reading your posts out loud before you hit "Reply to Topic"?

:roll:

MotionMan
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You are either:
1. Not an American
2. A hermit who is unfamiliar with the way Americans speak
3. Arguing for the sake of arguing.

There are no other possibilities. This is how we talk in the United States.
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1. I was born an raised in the United States (and in a part of the country that does not consider "youse guys" proper grammar 😉 );
2. I write in English for a living;
3. I also argue in English for a living.

MotionMan, Esq.
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I see you're familiar with colloquialisms, but not apparently not idioms. 😉

I think I see the problem now - you're a lawyer, so everything has to be precise. You wouldn't even use a phrase like "next Sunday," you'd state the date. You said before that whenever someone says "next [day of week]" you ask for clarification - that alone indicates that you either don't understand or don't agree with the way the overwhelming majority of people use the phrase. But it is the way it is - when someone says "next [day of week]," they're referring to that day next week. It's an idiom. It can't be taken literally.
 
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: MotionMan
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: MotionMan
Are you people reading your posts out loud before you hit "Reply to Topic"?

:roll:

MotionMan
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You are either:
1. Not an American
2. A hermit who is unfamiliar with the way Americans speak
3. Arguing for the sake of arguing.

There are no other possibilities. This is how we talk in the United States.
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1. I was born an raised in the United States (and in a part of the country that does not consider "youse guys" proper grammar 😉 );
2. I write in English for a living;
3. I also argue in English for a living.

MotionMan, Esq.
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I see you're familiar with colloquialisms, but not apparently not idioms. 😉

I think I see the problem now - you're a lawyer, so everything has to be precise. You wouldn't even use a phrase like "next Sunday," you'd state the date. You said before that whenever someone says "next [day of week]" you ask for clarification - that alone indicates that you either don't understand or don't agree with the way the overwhelming majority of people use the phrase. But it is the way it is - when someone says "next [day of week]," they're referring to that day next week. It's an idiom. It can't be taken literally.
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Yep. I was born and raised in the US and it has always been this way. I don't think I've met anyone who disagrees with it (in person).
 
Too many people interpret "next $day" poorly, so I just use a more defined statement, such as "the Sunday following this coming Sunday" or "in 9 days".
 
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: MotionMan
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: MotionMan
Are you people reading your posts out loud before you hit "Reply to Topic"?

:roll:

MotionMan
Click to expand...

You are either:
1. Not an American
2. A hermit who is unfamiliar with the way Americans speak
3. Arguing for the sake of arguing.

There are no other possibilities. This is how we talk in the United States.
Click to expand...

1. I was born an raised in the United States (and in a part of the country that does not consider "youse guys" proper grammar 😉 );
2. I write in English for a living;
3. I also argue in English for a living.

MotionMan, Esq.
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I see you're familiar with colloquialisms, but not apparently not idioms. 😉

I think I see the problem now - you're a lawyer, so everything has to be precise. You wouldn't even use a phrase like "next Sunday," you'd state the date. You said before that whenever someone says "next [day of week]" you ask for clarification - that alone indicates that you either don't understand or don't agree with the way the overwhelming majority of people use the phrase. But it is the way it is - when someone says "next [day of week]," they're referring to that day next week. It's an idiom. It can't be taken literally.
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"Next Sunday" is not an idiom.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiom

http://www.idiomsite.com/

http://www.idiomconnection.com/

Not even close.

Also, I doubt you have asked "the overwhelming majority of people" in the United States what "next Sunday" means to them. (BTW, "the overwhelming majority of people" who were at my dinner party last night agree with me.)

Faced with some verifiable facts to support your claim, I will have no problem admitting a mistake. Until then, "next Sunday" still = "this Sunday", IMO.

MotionMan
 
If you mean the upcoming Sunday, then just say Sunday. They aren't going to think you're talking about doing something in the past.

Therefore if you preface Sunday with Next, you must mean the Sunday after this Sunday which would be the Next Sunday after just plain Sunday which is This Sunday.

And make a poll...
 
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