When did the country coalesce into red vs. blue states?

[tk149]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Muse
It seems to me that this is a relatively recent phenomenon. Back in the 60's and 70's IIRC they didn't speak in terms of red vs. blue states. I am unaware that there was nearly as much emphasis on swing states, even. In recent elections certain states are considered in the bank and the major parties don't bother spending campaign money there. How did this come to be? It seems to me that this trend is very lamentable.

Topic Title: When did the country coalesce into red vs. blue states?
Topic Summary: What's the cause?

What's the cause of the red vs. blue stratification of America?

Simply look at the vileness of the Republican posters in here and you have your answer.

Simply turn on the radio and you hear only the likes of Rush, Hannity, Ingram, Savage et al with no opposing voices because the Republicans control the corporations that control the "Public" airwaves.

I have made it my mission to get said public airwaves back from the vile Republicans.

To the collective of AT P&N:

Dave is clearly on one side. Is he educated or uneducated? :evil:


Back on topic:

From what I've seen, the less educated urban poor are more likely to vote Democrat than Republican.

College towns tend to be more liberal. Is it because they're smarter and better educated, or is it because the teachers are more liberal and push their own views on the students? In my experience the liberal arts professors were exactly that: liberal. The science/math professors were more conservative. But which professors teach the economics, history, and poly sci courses? Granted, that's only my opinion based on only two institutes of higher learning.

I don't think educated vs. uneducated is the answer to Red vs. Blue.

I think the "Values" theory is best so far.

Is there a substantial correlation with the total cost of social services (adjusted for Cost of Living per area) and Blue or Red?

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Muse
It seems to me that this is a relatively recent phenomenon. Back in the 60's and 70's IIRC they didn't speak in terms of red vs. blue states. I am unaware that there was nearly as much emphasis on swing states, even. In recent elections certain states are considered in the bank and the major parties don't bother spending campaign money there. How did this come to be? It seems to me that this trend is very lamentable.

What's the cause of the red vs. blue stratification of America?

all the networks decided in 2000 to use red for states that went republican in the presidential elections and blue for states that went democrat.


states have gotten less competitive, generally, over the course of the last couple of decades. there used to be a lot of liberal republicans and conservative democrats, but those have largely gone away.

Shhh, your not supposed to actually fucking answer the question. That's not how it works here!

 

[Muse]

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: Muse

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: seemingly random
It turns out that urban vs rural is really educated vs uneducated.

Yep. Many of the city folk have had there common sense educated out of them. :laugh:

Yeah, it's been observed that there's nothing worse than an educated fool. Well, there's education and there's education. I kind of like this take on it, though: rural vs. urban = uneducated vs. educated = red vs. blue.

= populism vs elitism.

You can't have it both ways.

I think that whole concept of "elitism" sucks. It's a crock.

 

[Muse]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
We are all the same and there is only love.

We all want dignity but we were all made to feel worthless

The result is that we are defensive

Being defensive makes us undignified and angry

That makes us attack the dignity of others

And so we have the endless wheel of karma

Too bad too because

We are all the same and there is only love.

Moonbeam, you seem to be AT's resident mystic. Not putting it down, it's cool. Put's me in mind of the Beatles Magical Mystery Tour song, All You Need is Love.

 

[marincounty]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I don't think I have ever seen a thread filled with more BS and false clichés.

So far we have learned that people who live in Red states are:
Rednecks, uneducated, racists (southern strategy), 'gun toating' hillbillies, don't use their brains, vote against their self interests, are "small minded dipshits', white trash, and close minded.

It is FAR more complicated than that.

The majority of red state v. blue state is cultural based. The culture of the small red states and towns is MUCH different than that of the blue states and cities. People live VERY different life styles.

People in red areas are much more individualistic and self reliant while people who live in cities are interconnected and community based. People in red areas have a more traditional set of values compared to people who live in blue areas. It is all related to what you see and hear on a daily basis.

BTW eskimo is very right (for a change ) in what he says about self segregating. There is a phenomenon in the Atlanta area where blacks are moving into the same neighborhoods as other blacks, only these neighborhoods are very upscale and filled with $400-500 houses with Benzs and BMWs in the drive way. These people can live any place and they decided to live near other people in the same economic, social and racial group.

People in red states are much more individualistic and self-reliant? That would explain all of the farm subsidies given to the farming states in the midwest.
They have been bribed by govt subsidies for so long the only thing they know is voting Republican.
We need to end the welfare to the well off.

 

[BurnItDwn]

It's been red vs blue for a lot more than 20 years ....
A long time ago, it was the confederacy vs the union ...
Before that it was the free states vs the slave states...
Pretty much "urban" (and sub-urban), vs rural ....

Marincounty
Red states like IL and IN and WI? Farm Subsidies are color blind IMO.

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
We are all the same and there is only love.

I love you Moonbeam. :heart:

 

[Muse]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Muse
It seems to me that this is a relatively recent phenomenon. Back in the 60's and 70's IIRC they didn't speak in terms of red vs. blue states. I am unaware that there was nearly as much emphasis on swing states, even. In recent elections certain states are considered in the bank and the major parties don't bother spending campaign money there. How did this come to be? It seems to me that this trend is very lamentable.

What's the cause of the red vs. blue stratification of America?

all the networks decided in 2000 to use red for states that went republican in the presidential elections and blue for states that went democrat.


states have gotten less competitive, generally, over the course of the last couple of decades. there used to be a lot of liberal republicans and conservative democrats, but those have largely gone away.

Shhh, your not supposed to actually fucking answer the question. That's not how it works here!

Why not, TallBill? Lacking oxygen up there?

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: Muse

Why not, TallBill? Lacking oxygen up there?

Might want to check your sarcasm meter :shocked:

 

[Muse]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Muse

Why not, TallBill? Lacking oxygen up there?

Might want to check your sarcasm meter :shocked:

Oh yeah, it was over 90 on that one. Bingo. Anyway, you could try to clarify: why shouldn't/don't people here actually answer a question when they think they know the answer? I understand that it's very often not the approach taken, and I accept that.