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When did religion start losing its usefulness?
- Thread starter Dari
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I think religion was overly successfull due to ignorance. People were ignorant of why things happened so they turned to the supernatural. Science has now provided the new religion, as it explains the unexplainable. So religion has outlived its purpose.
As for religions killing each other? It has always been that way.
smack Down
Diamond Member
When people figured out that God has no influence in this world.
People will fight each other anyway. It is the rule here on earth. IMO people who hate each other because of religion do not understand their religion well. It is impossible that God wants
people of the 3 major religions for instance to hate each other because of the religions that originally came from him.
people of the 3 major religions for instance to hate each other because of the religions that originally came from him.
PrinceofWands
Lifer
I disagree with pretty much everything you said. Alhough I consider religion to be a natural human creation, I don't believe it's ever been anything but negative.
What is all this religious garbage about? Perhaps, something about the Kingdom of Heaven:
Mat 13:44 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field.
Mat 13:45 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls:
Mat 13:46 Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had and bought it.
Mat 13:16 But blessed [are] your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.
Mat 13:17 For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous [men] have desired to see [those things] which ye see, and have not seen [them]; and to hear [those things] which ye hear, and have not heard [them].
John on the kingdom of heaven:
Mat 3:1 In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea,
Mat 3:2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Can this Kingdom be seen in example:
Lu 4:43 And he said unto them, I must preach the kingdom of God to other cities also: for therefore am I sent.
Mat 9:35 And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.
But why all the parable:
Mat 13:10 And the disciples came, and said unto him (Jesus), Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
Mat 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you (the apostles) to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them (the people) it is not given.
Mat 13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and [their] ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with [their] eyes, and hear with [their] ears, and should understand with [their] heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
Does not religion have to reach each on his own level?:
Mat 13:16 But blessed [are] your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.
Mat 13:17 For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous [men] have desired to see [those things] which ye see, and have not seen [them]; and to hear [those things] which ye hear, and have not heard [them].
Mat 13:35 "I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear." things] which ye hear, and have not heard [them].
But where is this Magical Kingdom?:
Luke 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
Jhn 8:23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
Jhn 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
Whoa:
Jn 10:6 But they (the apostles) did not understand what He (Jesus) was talking about.
Jn 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my word.
Mat 16:11 How is it that ye do not understand ...?
Mar 8:21 And he said unto them, How is it that ye do not understand?
Double whoa:
Mt 7:7 Keep on asking and it will be given you; keep on seeking and you will find, keep on knocking and the door will be opened to you.
Lu 18 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein.
Mat 13:31 "The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed , which a man took and sowed in his field:Which indeed is the least of all seeds; but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof.
Jn 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Jesus, knowing that the apostles did not completely understand sent them out into the world saying to them:
Mat10:7 "And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand."
But, hey, you guys are all experts and knowledgeable geniuses with nothing at all left to learn. There can't be anything to this religious bull sh!t. That's only for children. Even Jesus agrees with that.
The world you see is a reflection of who we are and what we have made of it. We are all experts filled to the brim with sh!t. But if you are so smart why is your planet dying? "Oh it's not me, its the other guy." But you are the other guy.
Man is capable of a psychological experience that is like a tremendous revolution. It is like dying and going to heaven. But it's not for those who are full of their own egotistical opinions. The price of entry is everything you hold sacred, your precious ego. The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand, and the meek and defeated enter there every day.
Adapted from this series of quotes.
Mat 13:44 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field.
Mat 13:45 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls:
Mat 13:46 Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had and bought it.
Mat 13:16 But blessed [are] your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.
Mat 13:17 For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous [men] have desired to see [those things] which ye see, and have not seen [them]; and to hear [those things] which ye hear, and have not heard [them].
John on the kingdom of heaven:
Mat 3:1 In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea,
Mat 3:2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Can this Kingdom be seen in example:
Lu 4:43 And he said unto them, I must preach the kingdom of God to other cities also: for therefore am I sent.
Mat 9:35 And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.
But why all the parable:
Mat 13:10 And the disciples came, and said unto him (Jesus), Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
Mat 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you (the apostles) to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them (the people) it is not given.
Mat 13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and [their] ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with [their] eyes, and hear with [their] ears, and should understand with [their] heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
Does not religion have to reach each on his own level?:
Mat 13:16 But blessed [are] your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.
Mat 13:17 For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous [men] have desired to see [those things] which ye see, and have not seen [them]; and to hear [those things] which ye hear, and have not heard [them].
Mat 13:35 "I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear." things] which ye hear, and have not heard [them].
But where is this Magical Kingdom?:
Luke 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
Jhn 8:23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
Jhn 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
Whoa:
Jn 10:6 But they (the apostles) did not understand what He (Jesus) was talking about.
Jn 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my word.
Mat 16:11 How is it that ye do not understand ...?
Mar 8:21 And he said unto them, How is it that ye do not understand?
Double whoa:
Mt 7:7 Keep on asking and it will be given you; keep on seeking and you will find, keep on knocking and the door will be opened to you.
Lu 18 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein.
Mat 13:31 "The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed , which a man took and sowed in his field:Which indeed is the least of all seeds; but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof.
Jn 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Jesus, knowing that the apostles did not completely understand sent them out into the world saying to them:
Mat10:7 "And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand."
But, hey, you guys are all experts and knowledgeable geniuses with nothing at all left to learn. There can't be anything to this religious bull sh!t. That's only for children. Even Jesus agrees with that.
The world you see is a reflection of who we are and what we have made of it. We are all experts filled to the brim with sh!t. But if you are so smart why is your planet dying? "Oh it's not me, its the other guy." But you are the other guy.
Man is capable of a psychological experience that is like a tremendous revolution. It is like dying and going to heaven. But it's not for those who are full of their own egotistical opinions. The price of entry is everything you hold sacred, your precious ego. The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand, and the meek and defeated enter there every day.
Adapted from this series of quotes.
sandorski
No Lifer
Religion never totally becomes useless, but I agree that it is most useful at the begining of a Civilization than at the end. I also agree that it seems to want to now destroy what it originally created. It sees the decline in its' influence and longs for the power it once had.
dmcowen674
No Lifer
What are you babling about? It wins Elections for Republicans, it couldn't be more perfect.
db
Lifer
Religion, even though many many millennia have passed, is still pretty much the same. Not much has changed. It depends on your experience and perception, as to its "usefulness" or not. People are still people, and the fact that we can go to the moon and explode really big things has not changed peoples' perceptions much at all.
Religion will never lose its purpose (coming from a religion major here 😉 ) Think about how many millions and billions of people find solace in the fact that no matter how ****** things are now, if they lead a moral life they'll be in a better place (or something else depending on the religion obviously).
sandorski
No Lifer
Though true, it's a double edged sword. Some people find peace in it, others find salvation(not the religious kind, but the practical) in it. OTOH, some find the "immorality" of those around them something to be eliminated by any means. Those means don't always involve violence and some of those means are constructive, but many of those means are destructive and not good for the general population.
Well peaceful or otherwise it still is "useful" to its people. For these "immoral" as you call them, Religion allows them to find justification to act against those they think are wronging them. So I would say it still serves as support even in this terrible situation. People get different things for religion, it fills in any gaps people allow it to.
freakflag
Diamond Member
As long as people need solice from the fact that we are all in essence talking monkeys, religion will never outlive it's usefulness. There are certain types of people who need comfort from the safety net it provides as much as they need air and water, and, that's not a bad thing. It's when it's used for the consolidation of power and the projection of ideology that it becomes twisted and dangerous. That kind of religion we can live without.
Vic
Elite Member
When did Dari come back to troll again? Learn to drive with 2 hands yet?
Traditional religion was philosophy and psychology before the advent of modern science. 99.9% of it is in code and was never intended to be taken literally, but to act as guide. In this sense, religion have never lost its usefulness (quite the opposite, it has not even been tapped) because science cannot and will not ever answer all questions, nor ever help individuals find true inner peace and enlightenment, which is the true purpose of religion (the kingdom of heaven is not a place but a state of mind).
For the past 1700 years, religion has been abused for political purposes. Political leaders have forced the people to accept and conform to a certain literal view of religion that is greatly skewed from the original teachings. This projection of ideology is actually politics, but politics doesn't actually need traditional religion in order to enforce its ideologies upon others. In this way, there is almost no difference between the Catholic, the communist, and the fascist. They'll all save our souls no matter what we have to say about it.
Traditional religion was philosophy and psychology before the advent of modern science. 99.9% of it is in code and was never intended to be taken literally, but to act as guide. In this sense, religion have never lost its usefulness (quite the opposite, it has not even been tapped) because science cannot and will not ever answer all questions, nor ever help individuals find true inner peace and enlightenment, which is the true purpose of religion (the kingdom of heaven is not a place but a state of mind).
For the past 1700 years, religion has been abused for political purposes. Political leaders have forced the people to accept and conform to a certain literal view of religion that is greatly skewed from the original teachings. This projection of ideology is actually politics, but politics doesn't actually need traditional religion in order to enforce its ideologies upon others. In this way, there is almost no difference between the Catholic, the communist, and the fascist. They'll all save our souls no matter what we have to say about it.
"nor ever help individuals find true inner peace and enlightenment"
You don't need anything to have such things... especially not religion... Using an obviously bogus religion(since EVERYONE's religion cannot be the "one true religion") to try to find "true inner peace and enlightenment" is silly. There is absolutely no reason to use fantasy to find peace and "enlightenment."
I don't know why you rip Dari here for trolling. There is another thread here, religion vs reason, that deals with basically the same point. I think it is a very valid question and one I ask myself all the time. You also, I think, do not address the 'sheep' mindset that religion is wont to create, one that slops over as a need and reliance on authority in every field, politics included. If something has been screwed up for 1700 years isn't it about time to give it some attention? The question, as I see it, is whether religion hasn't become a cancer. Certainly, what real meaning it has is almost completely buried, it seems to me, in the animosity and hate the secular minds feel toward it. The abuse of religion in the world has made it contemptible. Do we need to dump the bathwater, and if so how do we save the baby?
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