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When did Democrats lose the south?

1sikbITCH

1sikbITCH

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I want to know if this video is accurate based on what your beliefs and/or education. Were you taught it? Do you believe it now?

 
At work, not watching video, but short summary on what I was taught:
The democrats lost the south due to the civil rights movement. Republicans chose to stand for segregation. Democrats choose to stand for integration.
 
Here's a paper accredited by the Annals of Iowa whatever that is stating that Republicans began stirring the racist pot in the south as early as 1928 calling it the "lily-white stance":

http://ir.uiowa.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=8734&context=annals-of-iowa

I always thought the Dems were the racists up until the 60s, but it turns out that the poster child for segregation, (D) George Wallace from Alabama, was what they called a Dixiecrat, an anomaly in the new Democratic party, only scraping to hold on to power by tapping into the Southern white's racism. Once he was gone, the GOP had a firm hold on the confederacy.

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Where do you people find this garbage? Like seriously? Do you seek it out? Do you click on links that are sent to you in emails?

Do you people not look at the source and realize that something might be biased? Do you look at your sources and try and determine if the people are listening to are an authority on the subject they are speaking on?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PragerU

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

Just like with the 2nd amendment, people with an agenda put out bullshit to catch idiots and as more idiots repeat the lies and "new" theories until it becomes mainstream and pretty soon you have teachers spreading bullshit and eventually people with actual power and influence believe it and they make policies based on bullshit that was started on fucking YouTube.
 
BurnItDwn said:
At work, not watching video, but short summary on what I was taught:
The democrats lost the south due to the civil rights movement. Republicans chose to stand for segregation. Democrats choose to stand for integration.
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See that is what I am saying. I don't think that is entirely accurate.
 
ivwshane said:
Where do you people find this garbage? Like seriously? Do you seek it out? Do you click on links that are sent to you in emails?

Do you people not look at the source and realize that something might be biased? Do you look at your sources and try and determine if the people are listening to are an authority on the subject they are speaking on?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PragerU

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

Just like with the 2nd amendment, people with an agenda put out bullshit to catch idiots and as more idiots repeat the lies and "new" theories until it becomes mainstream and pretty soon you have teachers spreading bullshit and eventually people with actual power and influence believe it and they make policies based on bullshit that was started on fucking YouTube.
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If you read my post you would understand that I asked if it was legit or not. I guess you are saying Hoover was not elected in 1928? What are you disagreeing with?
 
1sikbITCH said:
If you read my post you would understand that I asked if it was legit or not. I guess you are saying Hoover was not elected in 1928? What are you disagreeing with?
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I read your post and I asked you a question.

Anyone can cherry pick facts to create a narrative.

You can read the wiki to see how the details compare to the bullshit she was spewing. You'll notice she does exactly what a lot of righties do, mix facts with innuendo, cherry picking events and twisting timelines and data.

Its truthiness at its worst.
 
The video from the OP makes an interesting argument.
"If Southern Democrats ditched the Democrats because of a Civil Rights law passed in 1964, it is strange that they waited until the late 1980s and early 1990s to do so."
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They also argued that Southern Republicans are more likely to support a black conservative. Dismantling the racial narrative. So the question is, how much of that is true?
 
Considering that they couldn't even show William Shatner kissing Nichelle Nichols in the south on TV.. I'd say the south was always anti-progressive rights.

I sure don't see many progressives in the GOP besides Meghan McCain.

So it was really a matter of time the democrats lost the south. Mixed with gerry mandering it looks worse than it really is - which is bad enough.

But that's what gerry mandering does.. instead of 54-46 reality you see 80-20 skews.
 
In my opinion the South became neither Democratic or Republican so much as they became conservative. The South lost the Civil War and as a result got to experience as a bunch of racial 'superiorityist' what it means to be a loser, with all the self hate that engenders, self hate that is the bedrock of conservative thinking, projecting your own inferior feelings on 'the other', in this case the black man. There are so many wonderful things about Southern Culture and yet, within it their is also a hereditary sickness, not hereditary in the genetic sense, but caught from ones surroundings. Bigots begat bigots, more often than not because of fear of being different. You can be in danger in a bigoted racist culture if you show sympathy or an interest in racial justice. Bigots are blind and also dangerous.
 
Jaskalas said:
The video from the OP makes an interesting argument.
"If Southern Democrats ditched the Democrats because of a Civil Rights law passed in 1964, it is strange that they waited until the late 1980s and early 1990s to do so."
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They also argued that Southern Republicans are more likely to support a black conservative. Dismantling the racial narrative. So the question is, how much of that is true?
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It’s not really that interesting at all as almost all of the incumbent Democrats in office in the south in 1964 opposed civil rights for black people and voted against it. As time went forward that changed and the average democrat up for election supported civil rights and the average republican did not. That’s why you see the gradual change.

So no it is not strange at all that people in the south who opposed civil rights continued to vote for people who opposed civil rights. The author of that video is either deeply ignorant or deeply dishonest.
 
With Reagan. Prior to that everywhere I lived (in the South) was Democratic party ruled. The real election was winning the Dem primary. Now in many places it's the other way around.

Obama also some effect in places. In my state (NC), the state govt had been ruled exclusively by Democrats for over 100 years. IIRC, in 2010, after Obamacare etc) the Repubs took over for the first time in 100 yrs. But there were additional factors beyond Obama. Corruption in state govt (politicians in jail) undoubtedly helped the switch to Repub.

Fern
 
BurnItDwn said:
At work, not watching video, but short summary on what I was taught:
The democrats lost the south due to the civil rights movement. Republicans chose to stand for segregation. Democrats choose to stand for integration.
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That would be wrong.

Southern Democrats stood for segregation.

Fern
 
ivwshane said:
Where do you people find this garbage? Like seriously? Do you seek it out? Do you click on links that are sent to you in emails?

Do you people not look at the source and realize that something might be biased? Do you look at your sources and try and determine if the people are listening to are an authority on the subject they are speaking on?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PragerU

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

Just like with the 2nd amendment, people with an agenda put out bullshit to catch idiots and as more idiots repeat the lies and "new" theories until it becomes mainstream and pretty soon you have teachers spreading bullshit and eventually people with actual power and influence believe it and they make policies based on bullshit that was started on fucking YouTube.
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Gotta love the name, "PragerU" as if they're anything like a university. Quite clever.
 
It's pretty accurate, the whole "Southern Strategy" is bullshit and it was the southern Democrats that fought against segregation in the 50's and 60's. Remember George Wallace?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Wallace
George Corley Wallace Jr. was an American politician and the 45th Governor of Alabama, having served two nonconsecutive terms and two consecutive terms as a Democrat: 1963–1967, 1971–1979 and 1983–1987.
"I draw the line in the dust and toss the gauntlet before the feet of tyranny, and I say segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever." George Wallace
 
imported_tajmahal said:
It's pretty accurate, the whole "Southern Strategy" is bullshit and it was the southern Democrats that fought against segregation in the 50's and 60's. Remember George Wallace?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Wallace
George Corley Wallace Jr. was an American politician and the 45th Governor of Alabama, having served two nonconsecutive terms and two consecutive terms as a Democrat: 1963–1967, 1971–1979 and 1983–1987.
"I draw the line in the dust and toss the gauntlet before the feet of tyranny, and I say segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever." George Wallace
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You mean that guy who ran for President as an independent in 1968, because the national Democratic party wanted nothing to do with him post Civil Rights Act?
 
The South has always been "conservative", and it has almost always been a monolithic one-party region.

It was solidly Democratic-Republican, then Democratic, and now Republican.

The change in modern times began in 1948, with Democrat Truman de-segregating the Army, along with anti-lynching laws and anti-poll tax laws. See; Thurmond, Strom, and Dixiecrats.

The change sped up with the Civil Rights Act (CRA) of 1964, with Democrat Johnson spearheading the legislation through Congress like a boss.

The change was essentially complete by the late 1980s to 1990s, although you could still see vestiges of it. Such as Zell Miller (D), caucusing with Republicans. Or, Rick Perry, who switched from Democrat to Republican in the late 1980s.

And. before the whole CRA vote count gets mis-reported, I've already covered this by the numbers:

https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...t-for-the-next-200-yrs.2464177/#post-38032055

and

https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...t-for-the-next-200-yrs.2464177/#post-38032657
 
Atreus21 said:
Whereas if it'd been a white person... Oh why bother.
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You have to catch they very young if you hope to make them bigots like yourself. Don't be defensive. It's not your fault. At least you believe in the good even if you have no idea what it is.
 
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