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When are the Radeon 9600/Geforce 5600 hitting notebooks?

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JackHawksmoor

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I've decided I'm tired of being radiated by CRTs, and want to switch to LCDs-possibly using a notebook for work.

But when the heck are the new GPUs coming out? They were announced back in March! I can get one of those Sony GRV670 with a 16" screen and Radeon 9000 for $1700, but I want something better than a Radeon 9000, darn it 🙁
 
Soon...real soon...

The FX 5600 Go is already available in a few models in Japan (on their websites at least) and maybe in Europe. Toshiba G8 specs and Sony Vaio GRT (both in Japanese)

I expect/hope to see a few models in the US with the 5600 and 9600 by the end of this month, but I have also heard rumors that the 9600 might not be out until July. Unfortantely, the marketing strategy seems to be not to announce exactly when the new models are coming out until they are actually available, so they don't cut into current sales of machines with older chips.

So they could be out next week or in 2 or 3 weeks...

Satellite 5200 spotted in Canada

Specs for Toshiba 5200 on toshiba.ca

A couple Taiwanese brands showing models in Europe with the M10 (Radeon 9600):

ECS G552 V
Gericom
 
Satellite 5200s are currently on sale in Canada at select Staples, IIRC. I'll have to see if the local outlet has one in stock. 😉

(Edit - I suck at spelling. Time to sleep.)

- M4H
 
Awesome! Thanks for the info! That they're coming within a month or two is really all I need to know. No way I'm buying something now. I've been absorbing X-Rays for 5+ years at work now, so another month won't kill me 🙂

Actually I might just get a regular LCD screen, not sure. Hope they have some of these new laptops with lower resolutions screens. IMO notebook resolutions are usually WAY too high. Like on a 15" I'd like 1024x768 max. Not sure why people want crazy 1600 resolution on tiny screens 🙁

Anyway, waiting gives me the opportunity to see what Apple's going to do next. Supposedly they might have a huge upgrade in a couple of months, and I'd love an excuse to get a PowerBook 🙂
 
Satellite 5205 Series is on the US site now. "Usually ships within 1-2 weeks"

The Satellite 5205-S705 with Microsoft® Windows XP Media Center Edition lets you record your favorite TV programs on DVD disk or the built-in 60GB¹ hard drive for playback anywhere! Its Mobile Intel® Pentium® 4 Processor - Mª 2.40GHz is complimented by the NVIDIA® GeForce? FX Go5600 graphics GPU w/64MB DDR SDRAM, and the booming bass of a Yamaha® sound system featuring harman/kardon® stereo speakers with sub-woofer!

Mobile Intel® Pentium® 4 Processor - M (2.40GHz)
Microsoft® Windows® XP Media Center Edition
512MB PC2100 DDR SDRAM (256MB x 2)
15.0" UXGA CASV (Clear Advanced Super View) display (1600 x 1200)
NVIDIA® GeForce? FX Go5600 GPU w/64MB DDR memory
60GB HDD (5400 rpm)
DVD Multi
Integrated Wi-Fi? (IEEE 802.11b)
Panasonic MotionDV Studio?, Microsoft® Works
3-USB (2.0) ports
iLINK (IEEE 1394) port
Infrared port
SD media slot
TV-Out port
10/100 Ethernet
V.92/56K modemº
S/P DIF Optical port
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Great! That laptop isn't exactly what I'd want (I'd want a larger, lower resolution screen, preferably no wireless, and for that price I'd probably just go for Apple's 17" monster)...but it's great to see these new GPUs are making an official entrance in the US!
 
This is weird, I can't figure out how to edit my post... anyway, I'd also drop the DVD-RW or whatever it's got. In fact, all I REALLY care about is DVD-ROM. Too bad you can't customize that to get the price down.
 
I think I heard somewhere that the ATI Mobility Radeon 9600 is better than the Geforce 5600.
Is this true? (which is better)
 
Well, there haven't been any head-to-head reviews or benchmarks of both mobile chips in actual production laptops yet (as far as I know). Another thing to note, is that this Mobility Radeon 9600 Preview notes that there will be a standard Mobility Radeon 9600 followed in a few months by a Mobility Radeon 9600 Pro, with presumably higher performance.

On one hand you have the ?vanilla? Mobility Radeon 9600 which utilizes a core frequency of 300 to 350MHz and more conventional DDR memory running at an estimated 300MHz. In contrast, the flagship 9600 Pro will come with a faster core frequency and will feature the new efficient GDDR2-M memory.
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A look at ATI's Mobility Radeon 9600 graphics chips
 
Originally posted by: manko
Satellite 5205 Series is on the US site now. "Usually ships within 1-2 weeks"

The Satellite 5205-S705 with Microsoft® Windows XP Media Center Edition lets you record your favorite TV programs on DVD disk or the built-in 60GB¹ hard drive for playback anywhere! Its Mobile Intel® Pentium® 4 Processor - Mª 2.40GHz is complimented by the NVIDIA® GeForce? FX Go5600 graphics GPU w/64MB DDR SDRAM, and the booming bass of a Yamaha® sound system featuring harman/kardon® stereo speakers with sub-woofer!

Mobile Intel® Pentium® 4 Processor - M (2.40GHz)
Microsoft® Windows® XP Media Center Edition
512MB PC2100 DDR SDRAM (256MB x 2)
15.0" UXGA CASV (Clear Advanced Super View) display (1600 x 1200)
NVIDIA® GeForce? FX Go5600 GPU w/64MB DDR memory
60GB HDD (5400 rpm)
DVD Multi
Integrated Wi-Fi? (IEEE 802.11b)
Panasonic MotionDV Studio?, Microsoft® Works
3-USB (2.0) ports
iLINK (IEEE 1394) port
Infrared port
SD media slot
TV-Out port
10/100 Ethernet
V.92/56K modemº
S/P DIF Optical port
Click to expand...
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8lbs jebus!

i just want a 9600 in a dell 600m... 4.5 lbs of gaming uberness!
 
I ordered the 5205-S705 this morning, haven't found out when it'll arrive yet.

Only weighs a pound more than the compaq I lug around for work. Long as I switch shoulders now and then, I won't develop a permanent list, lol.
 
Originally posted by: eastvillager
I ordered the 5205-S705 this morning, haven't found out when it'll arrive yet.
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Please let us know your 3DMark scores, if there haven't been any write-ups on the Toshiba by the time you get yours.

 
Is it just me, or do those benchmarks seem rather disappointing? I mean, it can hardly handle UT2003 at 1024x768 under a simple botmatch test.. what gives? If it can't handle that, I shudder to think about what it will be able to pull in doom3.
 
That's a preview of the Radeon 9600, not the Geforce 5600. And IMO it's utterly meaningless because all those results are with FSAA and that garbage turned on. Who uses that junk? I always ALWAYS want higher resolutions and/or better frame rates. So we really have no idea how well it peforms.
 
Originally posted by: w0rmh0l3
Is it just me, or do those benchmarks seem rather disappointing?
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Actually, yeah, the Extremetech numbers seem low. We'll see when numbers start coming out for the 5600, but I have the feeling it will definitely beat those scores.

If you look at Tom's benchmarks, he shows scores with the range of AA and Anistropic filtering combinations, but it still doesn't look good for Doom 3.
 
Dang it, I posted again before I was finished 🙁

I wanted to randomly say stuff about the built in TV tuner on that Toshiba (and evidently the new Sony as well). I've always thought it would be really cool to put a TV tuner in a notebook. Only problem is, it should really have both inputs for external antennas/cable/game systems AND some sort of internal anntenna.

They could put something in the screen, or put something in the power cord (Sony does that on my clock radio, and it works great), or include some sort of portable anntenna that would work okay (as long as it can be overridden by a better external anntenna/cable).

Other thing is, I wonder how much heat those things produce? I'm under the impression that tuners on desktop add in cards generate a lot of heat, and these laptops are already going nuts with Pentium 4 chips and relativly high end graphics cards.

Still, could be really cool. I didn't even notice that that Toshiba HAD a tuner the first time I read the specs. Okay, so I'd love to be able to listen to Oprah or the news or something in the background while I'm working 🙂
 
The numbers are most definitely low, but I can't seem to figure out why. When HardOCP did their preview (of the mobile radeon 9600), it seemed much more promising. But after seeing Tom's preview and Extremetech's preview, I'm starting to wonder if maybe I should skip over my laptop dream and just buy another desktop..
 
Originally posted by: w0rmh0l3
The numbers are most definitely low, but I can't seem to figure out why. When HardOCP did their preview (of the mobile radeon 9600), it seemed much more promising. But after seeing Tom's preview and Extremetech's preview, I'm starting to wonder if maybe I should skip over my laptop dream and just buy another desktop..
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Well, HardOCPs tests were in a desktop machine running at 3.0Ghz specially fitted with the Mobility chip, rather than an actual laptop. Hopefully, the 5600 will turn in stronger scores.

...Or if you need a laptop, buy a cheaper machine without the latest graphics chip and save the extra cash to upgrade or build a new desktop after Doom 3 comes out.
 
Scans of 9600 vs. 5600 benches from a German Magazine

Unfortunately, they don't test the chips in identical systems, but the gaming benchmarks show the Radeon 9600 paired with an Athlon XP-M 2500 beating out the Toshiba 5200-902 with a Geforce FX 5600 Go and a 2.4Ghz Pentium 4m. The charts also include machines with the slower Geforce FX 5200 Go and Radeon 9000 for comparison.

(It looks there there may have been a typo with the UT2003 flyby benchmark, since the laptop with a 9600 beats out the reference 3.0Ghz desktop with a desktop 9600 card.)
 
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