When are the new cards coming out?

[nullpointerus]

I need rumored release dates for R680 and 9800 series...

Late this month? The middle of February?
Basically, what exact dates are the latest rumor sites reporting?

I've been having lots of trouble with CCC in Catalyst 7.12, and there is no substitute that I'm aware of for changing the 3D settings. ATI Tray Tools will not run on Vista x64 without disabling driver signature checks (and I don't want to change this). RivaTuner does run, but apparently it has no way to adjust things like AA, TrAA, V-sync, and AF.

So basically, I want to buy an interim nVidia card and perhaps step-up to a more powerful 9-series card (or an 8800 GT w/ aftermarket cooler and o/c the heck out of it). However, if I could somehow get the ATI driver issues fixed, I would much prefer the dual-GPU R680 card that is supposed to be coming out soon.

Basically, CCC goes berserk for no apparent reason, taking up tons of CPU time and memory and making the ATI devices on my computer stop responding. Uninstall CCC, and the problems go away. Now I can game for hours without a problem. I've done a clean installation of Vista x64... No luck. I think it's a compatibility problem with .NET 3.5 Framework (x64). (This version does NOT come with Vista x64.) Anyone else have this installed with CCC working fine?

Your thoughts?

 

[fleshconsumed]

Last I heard R680 should be coming out this month around the same time Penryn gets released, GX2 should be released February. Of course those are based on rumors.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: nullpointerus
I need rumored release dates for R680 and 9800 series...

Late this month? The middle of February?
Basically, what exact dates are the latest rumor sites reporting?

I've been having lots of trouble with CCC in Catalyst 7.12, and there is no substitute that I'm aware of for changing the 3D settings. ATI Tray Tools will not run on Vista x64 without disabling driver signature checks (and I don't want to change this). RivaTuner does run, but apparently it has no way to adjust things like AA, TrAA, V-sync, and AF.

So basically, I want to buy an interim nVidia card and perhaps step-up to a more powerful 9-series card (or an 8800 GT w/ aftermarket cooler and o/c the heck out of it). However, if I could somehow get the ATI driver issues fixed, I would much prefer the dual-GPU R680 card that is supposed to be coming out soon.

Basically, CCC goes berserk for no apparent reason, taking up tons of CPU time and memory and making the ATI devices on my computer stop responding. Uninstall CCC, and the problems go away. Now I can game for hours without a problem. I've done a clean installation of Vista x64... No luck. I think it's a compatibility problem with .NET 3.5 Framework (x64). (This version does NOT come with Vista x64.) Anyone else have this installed with CCC working fine?

Your thoughts?

first of all, are you sure about Riva Tuner?

secondly, do you need .net3.5 and is it issue-free withOUT ccc installed?
Does CCC work OK with .net 3.0?]


... and ... finally ... you could always install Vista32
--maybe i'll trade you
[i'm having my own issues]
:frown:

you "need" rumors?
-April and February

they will both be late



[start those^^]

 

[nullpointerus]

Well, apparently, RivaTuner does allow adjustment of those options, but it's not detecting catalyst on my rig, so the driver-level settings bar is not shown.


Yes, I need .net 3.5 installed. I AM issue-free without CCC installed. It's been...what?...a week with no issues. But I would like some alternate means to adjust AA/AAA/AF, etc.

If I install Vista 32 and get a multi-GPU card, I may be looking at < 3 GB addressable RAM. I was at 3.25 GB last time I checked. That's cutting it kinda close for newer games.

 

[nullpointerus]

Against my better judgment, I will try reinstalling CCC as a separate download and use the repair option if it's still broken. At least it's an excuse to get in some more time with Hg:L (to duplicate the massive CCC.exe stuttering problem).

UPDATE 1: CCC appears fine now.

UPDATE 2: CCC has now gone crazy again. :|

 

[nullpointerus]

I rebooted and am now surfing, when I noticed CCC.exe is taking up tons of CPU time again. No idea why...no gaming...no TV watching...nothing that ought to tax the GPU.

I will try DriverSweeper.


Any other suggestions aside from reformatting?

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: nullpointerus
I rebooted and am now surfing, when I noticed CCC.exe is taking up tons of CPU time again. No idea why...no gaming...no TV watching...nothing that ought to tax the GPU.

I will try DriverSweeper.


Any other suggestions aside from reformatting?

for how long ... does it ever "settle down"?

what is it like with CCC and .NET 3.0 ?

btw, i solved my little "ide problem" ... everything is moving to SATA [and i can still keep my IDE 120 GB HD for backup]
:roll:

$32.16 shipped for a SATA DVD burner with Nero7 from the 'Egg today ... will be here Tuesday .... (it's now posted in Hot Deals)
[i need to update my burning SW, anyway]

 

[nullpointerus]

It's probably fine with .NET 3.0. I just don't want to uninstall/reinstall .NET 3.5 because that means I'd have to go through the same processes with Visual Studio 2008. And it takes like an hour to re-do the whole thing...not including testing.

It "settles down" when I kill CCC.exe or reboot. Otherwise, it just sits there using up tons of CPU and memory and running the HDD like there's no tomorrow. When I first encountered this problem, it ran from 11:30 p.m. to 4:00 a.m. nonstop with this kind of activity. Something's really messed up.

I'm glad you fixed your problem!


Now if only I could fix mine...

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: nullpointerus
It's probably fine with .NET 3.0. I just don't want to uninstall/reinstall .NET 3.5 because that means I'd have to go through the same processes with Visual Studio 2008. And it takes like an hour to re-do the whole thing...not including testing.

It "settles down" when I kill CCC.exe or reboot. Otherwise, it just sits there using up tons of CPU and memory and running the HDD like there's no tomorrow. When I first encountered this problem, it ran from 11:30 p.m. to 4:00 a.m. nonstop with this kind of activity. Something's really messed up.

I'm glad you fixed your problem!


Now if only I could fix mine...

well i threw $30 at it ... that or a OS reinstall
-and i need Vista burning SW [anyway]

have you tried the AMD support or their support forums?
-Microsoft too?

you might also try googling your issue's keywords ... i got way too much info ... just like with my issue

Here is an interesting thread that shows there are still issues with Vista and AMD gfx drivers - especially with Xfire/64-bit/8GB RAM - [nvidia has issues too] .. make sure you have all the hotfixes ... BIOSes updates ... etc.

http://forums.microsoft.com/Te...ageID=1&PostID=2520496


if all else fails reinstall
--not what you want to hear

 

[nullpointerus]

I ended up ordering this case [7x120mm fan holes, $30 after (MIR + shipping)]:
http://www.clubit.com/product_...il.cfm?itemno=A1306233

After using DriverSweeper, reinstalling all ATI drivers + CCC, and browsing for a while, I have yet to see the CCC. Regardless, I will start a support ticket with ATI and try to find a set of circumstances that reproduce the problem. But given how random it is, I doubt I will get anywhere with it.

I have all the hotfixes and have read threads about the problems. Maybe this is related to my multi-monitor setup. Remember the problems I told you about earlier in a PM about my primary partition not recognizing the second LCD I tried to hook up? And then suddenly it worked? Right around this time was when CCC starting acting funny.

When I run into CCC problems again, I will try disabling the second LCD and see if the problem still occurs.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: nullpointerus
I ended up ordering this case [7x120mm fan holes, $30 after (MIR + shipping)]:
http://www.clubit.com/product_...il.cfm?itemno=A1306233

After using DriverSweeper, reinstalling all ATI drivers + CCC, and browsing for a while, I have yet to see the CCC. Regardless, I will start a support ticket with ATI and try to find a set of circumstances that reproduce the problem. But given how random it is, I doubt I will get anywhere with it.

I have all the hotfixes and have read threads about the problems. Maybe this is related to my multi-monitor setup. Remember the problems I told you about earlier in a PM about my primary partition not recognizing the second LCD I tried to hook up? And then suddenly it worked? Right around this time was when CCC starting acting funny.

When I run into CCC problems again, I will try disabling the second LCD and see if the problem still occurs.

Pretty nice case for a good price!

i also had some problems with my multi-monitor setup ... sounds suspicious ... try it with a single monitor ... and then try adding the 2nd LCD again to see what happens ... good luck!


i still want to see what i did wrong/fix my issues ... so i went for the help thread in "Computer Help" forum ... i'd rather find the real answer before i "workaround" [anyway to upgrade and get new SW for cheap]

**Error: No CD-ROM drivers found ... at bootup

 

[nullpointerus]

I played Hg:L and watched some TV in Media Center, but no problems. Then I set Prime95 Blend to run, and 2 hours later CCC is hogging half the CPU time and 800 MB RAM. Something's completely screwed up. I haven't loaded CCC's window or changed any settings within it.

Nothing specific seems to trigger the problem...

I'll check the LCD angle tomorrow.

 

[nullpointerus]

The problem is almost certainly related to how the ATI drivers handle the second LCD. I changed the power-saving settings to turn off the display after 1 minute of idle time and did a variety of normal things including locking the computer (WIN+L) and letting the LCD go to sleep... Presto! The multi-monitor settings got screwed up, and everything appeared in Clone mode @ 1280x1024 on both displays.

Now I will try swapping the LCD cables.

(I am thinking that having the 17" set as the secondary monitor on the primary (?) port could be what screwed things up. My 7900 GTO had its primary DVI port nearest the bottom, IIRC, and I had no problems with the 7900 GTO and this setup. Of course, the drivers were also different...)


UPDATE 1:

The problem's still not fixed: CCC.exe has constant 40% CPU usage w/ 1.2 GB memory usage.

Now I will try it with just one LCD...


UPDATE 2:

The problem's still not fixed. This time the CPU usage is half (i.e. 20%), though.


I did figure out that putting the monitor in sleep mode seems to cause the problem. However, the problem does not occur every time the monitor turns off -- it seems like a 50/50 chance that CCC will go crazy.

 

[Demoth]

Keep in mind, direct competition is not the only factor that drives GPU technology releases. If the multi-GPU platforms cannot run near future DX10 games at acceptable frames at high res/settings then there will be a high demand for a much faster card, even if it is priced out in the $800 range. However, if the card makers are concerned about keeping more people buying cards in the future and not switching over to consoles, a reasonably priced card must be released that can also put out at least 33% FPS over the current 8800 Ultra.

My guess is we will see a 9800 GT equivalent by April, right as a bunch of DX10 titles like Age of Conan are hitting the market.

 

[nullpointerus]

Thanks, that's very interesting!

But out of interest, I might try one of those single-card SLI/CF solutions.


UPDATE:

The problem appears to be fixed by configuring Vista to never shut-off the monitor. That would be rather stupid because I would lose sleep mode. (Vista won't automatically put the computer into sleep mode unless the monitor is first configured to automatically shut off.)

Maybe this issue will be fixed in the upcoming 8.1 Catalysts... *crosses fingers*

But, for the time being, I have something definite to report to ATI.