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When are REAL Blu-Ray burners expected for PC?

Hmmm...sorry, I don't know the answer to your question, but I was wondering what "full capacity" is going to be.
 
Originally posted by: Aztech
Hmmm...sorry, I don't know the answer to your question, but I was wondering what "full capacity" is going to be.
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If you check on Wikipedia, the Blu-Ray developers are claiming quad- and more-layer capability, stretching into the 200GB-plus range. Some capacities can, supposedly, be done with only a firmware flash, but others would require new hardware.
 
Originally posted by: Aztech
Hmmm...sorry, I don't know the answer to your question, but I was wondering what "full capacity" is going to be.
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look at dual layer dvd.
still expensive and its basically obsolete😛

the same is probably going to be true for bluray. by the time the single layer is cheap your cheap flash drive will make the pricey dual layer disk seem pointless...never mind even more layers and expense. now is the age of cheap flash and gigantic external harddrives. gone are the horrible days of cdr where you had few good options and were driven to burn discs. in the years the bluray will take to drop in price... disc media will become even less relevant.
 
Yeah. There's no reason to think history won't repeat itself. I've never even PURCHASED a blank double-layer DVD.

I'm GUESSING there are going to be a lot of problems burning and keeping burned Blu-Ray disks. Should've stuck with HD-DVD. Oh well....
 
Originally posted by: RebateMonger
I'm GUESSING there are going to be a lot of problems burning and keeping burned Blu-Ray disks. Should've stuck with HD-DVD. Oh well....
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:roll:

Yep, should have stuck with the format that was still struggling to get a solid, reliable burner on the market - instead of the format that had burners in consumers' hands since 2003.


Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
now is the age of cheap flash
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Today:
32gb Compact Flash: $3.50 per gb.
50gb BD-RE: $1.00 per gb.

It's anybody's guess where prices will be a year from now, but doesn't change that high capacity compact flash cards are very expensive.
 
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
Originally posted by: Aztech
Hmmm...sorry, I don't know the answer to your question, but I was wondering what "full capacity" is going to be.
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look at dual layer dvd.
still expensive and its basically obsolete😛

the same is probably going to be true for bluray. by the time the single layer is cheap your cheap flash drive will make the pricey dual layer disk seem pointless...never mind even more layers and expense. now is the age of cheap flash and gigantic external harddrives. gone are the horrible days of cdr where you had few good options and were driven to burn discs. in the years the bluray will take to drop in price... disc media will become even less relevant.
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Wow. That's actually the most concise and factual statement I've read on this subject, period. Look at 4GB USB pen-drives. You can find them for for $20 after rebates these days. TERABYTE HDs are under $300 these days!!! And the majority of operating systems can't keep up with this storage ability...good side note, there...

Just 5 years ago, a Terabyte of storage would cost you the equivalent of a small car. :shocked:

While the optical storage manufacturers are preoccupied with gouging the consumer and ensuring their own dominance in the salespsace, HD manuf's are making light-year advances on a monthly basis. We, the consumer, benefit. The future is in magnetic storage, not optical.

True; they've made some interesting discoveries in the optical storage world; there was that "bacteria disk" storage thing that was holding like 500GB per disc, but what have you heard about that lately?
 
Originally posted by: MichaelD
Look at 4GB USB pen-drives. You can find them for for $20 after rebates these days. TERABYTE HDs are under $300 these days!!! And the majority of operating systems can't keep up with this storage ability...good side note, there...

Just 5 years ago, a Terabyte of storage would cost you the equivalent of a small car. :shocked:

While the optical storage manufacturers are preoccupied with gouging the consumer and ensuring their own dominance in the salespsace, HD manuf's are making light-year advances on a monthly basis. We, the consumer, benefit. The future is in magnetic storage, not optical.

True; they've made some interesting discoveries in the optical storage world; there was that "bacteria disk" storage thing that was holding like 500GB per disc, but what have you heard about that lately?
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:thumbsup:
 
Originally posted by: MichaelD
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
Originally posted by: Aztech
Hmmm...sorry, I don't know the answer to your question, but I was wondering what "full capacity" is going to be.
Click to expand...

look at dual layer dvd.
still expensive and its basically obsolete😛

the same is probably going to be true for bluray. by the time the single layer is cheap your cheap flash drive will make the pricey dual layer disk seem pointless...never mind even more layers and expense. now is the age of cheap flash and gigantic external harddrives. gone are the horrible days of cdr where you had few good options and were driven to burn discs. in the years the bluray will take to drop in price... disc media will become even less relevant.
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Wow. That's actually the most concise and factual statement I've read on this subject, period. Look at 4GB USB pen-drives. You can find them for for $20 after rebates these days. TERABYTE HDs are under $300 these days!!! And the majority of operating systems can't keep up with this storage ability...good side note, there...

Just 5 years ago, a Terabyte of storage would cost you the equivalent of a small car. :shocked:

While the optical storage manufacturers are preoccupied with gouging the consumer and ensuring their own dominance in the salespsace, HD manuf's are making light-year advances on a monthly basis. We, the consumer, benefit. The future is in magnetic storage, not optical.

True; they've made some interesting discoveries in the optical storage world; there was that "bacteria disk" storage thing that was holding like 500GB per disc, but what have you heard about that lately?
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yea just a few years ago we woulda totally sh*t ourselves over 1tb drives😉
let alone 2gb of ram for under 50 bucks or so lol🙂 never mind smp for everyone these days.
aint technology grand?🙂

right now a dvd+r is about 20 cents a disc at frys. by the time bluray disc is 20 cents i can't even imagine what kinda insane capacity we'll have hanging off our keychains😛
 
Originally posted by: MichaelD
...there was that "bacteria disk" storage thing that was holding like 500GB per disc, but what have you heard about that lately?
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They had one working, but then, it caught a cold and died.
 
IMO, the "disc" technology is obsolete already.

I don't care how much data they can put on a "Blue-Ray" disc - it is still a "grandchild" of the CD, developed over 25 years ago!

Fragile, easy to damage by improper handling - a scratch will make it totally useless.

I would not invest a penny into a "disc" category - I'd rather use the Hard Drives, until a Solid State Disk technology is ready for prime time.
 
Originally posted by: RebateMonger
Originally posted by: MichaelD
...there was that "bacteria disk" storage thing that was holding like 500GB per disc, but what have you heard about that lately?
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They had one working, but then, it caught a cold and died.
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Actually, what killed it was a misdiagnosis of sinusitis and prescription of Biaxin. Damn HMO's.
 
Originally posted by: JustaGeek
IMO, the "disc" technology is obsolete already.

I don't care how much data they can put on a "Blue-Ray" disc - it is still a "grandchild" of the CD, developed over 25 years ago!

Fragile, easy to damage by improper handling - a scratch will make it totally useless.

I would not invest a penny into a "disc" category - I'd rather use the Hard Drives, until a Solid State Disk technology is ready for prime time.
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yea many video cameras are already drive based. of course they still try to make some that burn mini dvds or blurays for the suckers, but those are just silly as ever. they remind me of the early days of digi cameras when there was a sony floppy based camera😉 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Mavica
 
Talking about CD and bacteria.

I have some 6 years old data CDs (burned on Brand name blanks) that I had to get rid of coz they develop a layer of green Fungus over of the emulation.

 
I still don't understand why they don't sell music on USB drives instead of CD's.

You're on a highway, and still have to fumble around with a disc, taking it out of the case and feeding it into a player. Careful - don't touch the silver side or it will skip or worse!

And how about the road safety?!? Talk about distraction...

We could be using USB drives for that - 1GB is more than enough, and the content can be protected as much as it is protected on the CD.

EDIT: And it will NOT skip on a bumpy road...
 
eh, skip the usb stick and just sell me the mp3🙂
what they screwed up on was hi def audio.
drm'd it up the wazoo and screwed it up big time🙁 now we are left buying inferior quality because of their greed.
if they had sold high def audio as files they would be better off now. the files were much larger, it would have pushed back the time in which it would have been convenient to copy the full quality file. and atleast the consumer wouldn't have felt as ripped off since you were getting more for your money.

and yea car audio manufactures really drag their feet on tech. cdmp3 was cheap on no name disc players long before it was cheap on car decks. even now mp3 on dvd is not cheap..and theres no real technological reason for that other than they want to jack the suckers that will pay $$$ just for something that should be a basic feature😛 car decks should have had flash/usb slots long ago..never mind line in.
 
Follow up question here. Are the internal blurays going to be upgradable to the new blur ray standard 2.0?
 
I bought the hitachi hddvd/bluray reader and BR burner for $250 in the FS/FT forums here. Well worth it minus the fact that BR discs are totally expensive right now.

Also monkey333 - profiles for drives in pc's are controlled by software and not the firmware on the drive.
 
Originally posted by: abaez
I bought the hitachi hddvd/bluray reader and BR burner for $250 in the FS/FT forums here. Well worth it minus the fact that BR discs are totally expensive right now.

Also monkey333 - profiles for drives in pc's are controlled by software and not the firmware on the drive.
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thanks for the info!!!!
 
ROFL a $600 burner to burn DVD's at $50 a pop:shocked:

I just don't see a market for this, but I guess there is a sucker born every minute
 
Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
ROFL a $600 burner to burn DVD's at $50 a pop:shocked:

I just don't see a market for this, but I guess there is a sucker born every minute
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CD burners and blanks were very expensive at one time too. Just like any new tech, early adopters and service providers will get them first and pay a premium.

I just wish it wasn't Sony collecting dollars.
 
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