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When are next Maxwell GPU's coming up?

SlickR12345

SlickR12345

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Hi guys, so what happened with Nvidia's Maxwell? When are the next graphic cards coming out? We've seen the GTX 750 TI and that's about it.

I mean it has a great watt/performance ratio, but for me its about $30/$40 more expensive than it should be.

When are we going to see maybe a GTX 860 or GTX 765?
 
Everybody is guessing, but i think next one would be a 28mn 860 at around Sept/Oct time .
 
The current, most credible rumors suggest that the Second Generation Maxwell will be entirely on 28nm as 20nm SoC at TSMC is mostly suited for Mobile processors as they trialed/tested a 20nm HP and where wasn't any benefits over 20nm SoC and 20nm late this year or early next year is too expensive for very little gains. In short we'll likely see a 28nm GM204/206 late this year and very early next year with a 28nm GM200 soon afterwards. I know some think that we'll see 20nm GPUs late next year but it'll be better to just push 16nmFF (that is basically 20nm with FinFets) Pascal out of the door as that'll be basically likely be modified Maxwell with 3D (not stacked) memory. I bet the memory bit bus width will likely be the same (GM200 with 384-bit bus, GM204 with 256-bit bus) since it is on 28nm.

Die shrinks do not have much performance improvements anymore but if they can have the same performance per watt increases as with GK107>GM107 and able to control the die size then we'll see a big improvement that can easily be. Just do not expect a single Second Generation Maxwell to be able to play 4K with the settings turned up (GM204 will probably be suitable for 1080p gaming, GM200 for 2560x1440 gaming) for games coming out. We've got games like the Witcher 3, Akrham Knight, AC Unity which will probably even make a 780 ti strained at 2560x1440 barring settings being turned down as game developers are using current-gen hardware over 8+ year old hardware.
 
June would be great to coincide with the Asus Swift release date. I'm being a little wishful here though. I expect no such fun this year AT ALL unless its very late, like December. I expect no new Maxwell's this year. Everyone is supposed to buy up all the 780 ti's and Titan Z's first.
 
3DVagabond said:
I know there is a bit of tongue in cheek sarcasm going on, but TSMC 20nm we've seen so far is not suitable for graphics cards (not an HP process). What you are saying might be correct.
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That would be terrible. Since AMD can't make a more powerful 28nm GPU than Hawaii, we'd be looking a $1200 GTX 880 and a $1500 Titan 2 :/
 
Techhog said:
That would be terrible. Since AMD can't make a more powerful 28nm GPU than Hawaii, we'd be looking a $1200 GTX 880 and a $1500 Titan 2 :/
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According to who? Do you honestly think they don't have an improved arch in the works? They should have learned with the 7000 series that you can't let your lineup stagnate.

Hawaii isn't that old, they've just released the duallie version to wide critical acclaim (nVidia fans aside), and unless the Titan-Z defies it's purported specs, nVidia doesn't appear to have a competitive response. Their supply issues seem to be behind them. Add to that Mantle, and things seem to be going pretty well.
 
3DVagabond said:
According to who? Do you honestly think they don't have an improved arch in the works? They should have learned with the 7000 series that you can't let your lineup stagnate.

Hawaii isn't that old, they've just released the duallie version to wide critical acclaim (nVidia fans aside), and unless the Titan-Z defies it's purported specs, nVidia doesn't appear to have a competitive response. Their supply issues seem to be behind them. Add to that Mantle, and things seem to be going pretty well.
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I doubt that GCN 2.0 can come close to Maxwell efficiency on 28nm. Without a boost on that scale, they've hit a wall.
 
Techhog said:
I doubt that GCN 2.0 can come close to Maxwell efficiency on 28nm. Without a boost on that scale, they've hit a wall.
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I guess we'll see, since neither of us know for certain. These two companies have been extremely competitive and I don't know of anything that points to that changing.
 
3DVagabond said:
I know there is a bit of tongue in cheek sarcasm going on, but TSMC 20nm we've seen so far is not suitable for graphics cards (not an HP process). What you are saying might be correct.
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I find it funny that people make assumptions on basis of a few letters. The process after is called 16FF - would one assume that it is neither suitable for SoCs nor GPUs because the name doesn't fit some silly convention?
 
boxleitnerb said:
I find it funny that people make assumptions on basis of a few letters. The process after is called 16FF - would one assume that it is neither suitable for SoCs nor GPUs because the name doesn't fit some silly convention?
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Are you saying that their 20nn SOC is suitable for GPU's? Or is there another 20nm process they've announced that is?
 
Techhog said:
That would be terrible. Since AMD can't make a more powerful 28nm GPU than Hawaii, we'd be looking a $1200 GTX 880 and a $1500 Titan 2 :/
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AMD could easily make a more powerful GPU. Hawaii is smaller than the 780ti by a good bit. AMD could pack in more transistors in a bigger die, and then watercool the whole thing all while throwing power usage considerations out the window. Bam, a faster GPU.
 
Can't get rid of the feeling we'll see next AMD GPUs coming from GF, with the same or better power and thermal improvements Beema is having.
 
Samsung/GloFo are starting 14 nm volume production this year. TSMC matters less than many think.

Also, we will not likely see big maxwell on 28 nm, at least according to the Taiwanese sources that Sweclockers got their info from, and SweC have had a 100% stellar record all things Maxwell these past few months. Doesn't guarantee anything! But a doubter on 20 nm Maxwell should be able to point to a competing source with as good if not better record and so far nobody has been able to do that.

14 nm is coming 2016 at the latest. Samsung is spending more on R&D than even Intel and they are rapidly catching up. This is what Samsung does best, fast adopters. There will always be people who think nobody can catch up with Intel, just as these people thought nobody could catch up with Apple.

Intel will probably still lead this decade but the days of TSMC's position as #2 is numbered. Then Intel's next.
 
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